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COP15, another U.N. environmental cult conference being held in Montreal December 7 to December 19.  Tens of thousands of environmental radicals expected to attend and this is being hosted by the Canadian government for the U.N. at taxpayer expense.  It will have the biggest police operation in 20 years.  We just had a COP cult conference two weeks ago in Egypt with Canada sending a large delegation of hundreds of people.  Now another one in Montreal.  It never ends with these people brainwashing everyone at taxpayer expense.

Biggest police operation in 20 years: Montreal preparing for tens of thousands at COP15 environmental conference

COP15: Montreal closing downtown metro station, launching major security detail for conference | CTV News

How much will this cost to hold and how much will the huge police operation cost Canadians?

"Montreal police estimate the cost, including payroll, at $25 million, which will be reimbursed in part or in whole by the federal government." (the Canadian taxpayers)

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40 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You're complaining about police costs for an international climate conference?

Quite a nit pick if there ever was one.  Luckily the tone of your post gives it away.

1.  Yes, because it is nothing more than a cult that blames mankind for living on the earth.  They worship the false god of Mother Earth and think man has no right to exist and use the land to live on and develop the natural resources.  They cause great harm to countries like Canada with an extremist PM like Trudeau and minister Guilbeault, who are punishing Canadians for merely living, driving to work, and taking their kids to hockey practice and school, and buying groceries.

2.  The tone of your posts reveals you are one of the cult followers and supporters.

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2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

1.  Yes, because it is nothing more than a cult that blames mankind for living on the earth.  They worship the false god of Mother Earth and think man has no right to exist and use the land to live on and develop the natural resources.  They cause great harm to countries like Canada with an extremist PM like Trudeau and minister Guilbeault.

2.  Glad the tone of your posts reveals you are one of the cult followers and supporters.

You are wrong. The greenhouse effect has been know about for decades. 

Nothing hurts an economy like a climate that evaporates all of the water and is to hot to rain. That is what you would have happen to the unborn future generations of humanity.

Based on your religious devotion, you may not wish to float the notion of "cults." Not everyone understands the importance of religious faith.

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6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

1.  Yes, because it is nothing more than a cult that blames mankind for living on the earth. 

2. They worship the false god of Mother Earth and think man has no right to exist and use the land to live on and develop the natural resources.  They cause great harm to countries like Canada with an extremist PM like Trudeau and minister Guilbeault, who are punishing Canadians for merely living, driving to work, and

3. taking their kids to hockey practice and school, and buying groceries.

4.  Glad the tone of your posts reveals you are one of the cult followers and supporters.

1. You are espousing a fringe theory and demanding that the entire world, UN and its governments, and all Canadian policies adopt your perspective.  Here's the thing: in politics you don't always get your way.  Take a number and get in line.

2. Strawman.  Trudeau enjoys pumping oil through pipelines and exporting coal, and so your extreme characterization belongs in an echo chamber.  It doesn't fly with people who want to make realistic criticisms.

3. Nobody cares for your familial colouring.  Talk facts.  I don't give a shit about your hockey practices.

4. I am tired of zealots showing up and demanding everyone bow to their viewpoints.  You are on ignore with me but I found this tiresome thread when I was bored so took the time to put you in the conspiracy cardboard box where you deserve to live out your days.

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17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Let's talk about how politics work, with parties that engage with each other in good faith.

These are the words used by partisans and propagandists when describe environmental policy, as supported by all of Canadian parliamentary parties....

"radicals"
"cult"
"brainwashing"
 

 

I know how politics works.  

What you don't understand is politics and our government has been hijacked by environmental radicals.  Why else would Trudeau appoint a known environmental Greenpeace radical who illegally climbed towers for environmentalism and Greenpeace?

This article explains a bit about the difference between good stewardship of our environment and what we are witnessing with these environmental cults like Greenpeace and the COP people and governments.   You realize that the COP cult wants to remove 30% of the country from the use of mankind and leave it natural?  The earth was created for man's use, not to be set aside and prevented from the use and development for the benefit of mankind.

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MOTHER EARTH?  People talk about Mother Nature & Mother Earth. What is a Christian view of Earth?

The original question was:
With so much talk about Mother Nature and Mother Earth these days, what is a Christian view of the earth?

Answer by Peter Geyer

It’s easy for us to adopt the language the world uses when we come to speak about environmental matters today, but we should resist the temptation to do so. Nowhere in the Bible will you find the earth referred to as our mother! Jesus taught us that we relate to the God who created both us and the universe in which we live, as our Father, and our Father in heaven certainly didn’t need a wife in order to bring all things into existence. God alone is our Father, and the earth we live on certainly isn’t our mother!

The fact that people speak of ‘mother earth’ and ‘mother nature’ panders to the evolutionary idea that everything originated by natural processes from the earth over billions of years. This thinking has been popularized in recent times by the Gaia hypothesis which notes the connectedness and inter-dependence of all living organisms with their environment. The idea is that all organisms and their inorganic surroundings are so closely integrated as to form a single self-regulating complex system that maintains life on earth. Also, the idea of ‘mother nature’, comes from pagan belief that the earth itself is a god.  Perhaps you remember the film Avatar, where all life on the planet was an expression of the goddess Eywa. According to the film, all life came from Eywa and returned to Eywa, and continues on in a spiritual realm.

As Christians, we know that the earth is as much a creation of God as we are ourselves. “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.” (Gen. 1:1) “The earth is the Lord’s and the fullness therefore” (Psalm 24:1), and it was intended for man’s use to God’s glory. Genesis 1:26 states that God gave mankind dominion over the earth. That doesn’t mean the right to exploit and pollute the earth, but to exercise the same caring dominion over the earth that parents have over their children. Genesis 2:15 shows how Adam exercised this dominion in the Garden of Eden, “…to work it and take care of it”.

The earth is God’s gift to human beings. The wonders, beauties, and intricacies of creation declare the qualities of God who put a little of himself into his creation (Romans 1:20). “The heavens declare the glory of God and the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech” (Psalm 19:1). But the basic point is a simple one; the earth is God’s creation, much like the Mona Lisa is the creation of Leonardo DaVinci. It has no personality as to be referred to as our mother, sister, brother or any other such thing. The earth provides food and resources for us much the same way as a cow provides us with milk, and a sheep with meat, and we would hardly refer to a cow as our mother, or a sheep as our sister! The evolutionist may wish to claim the pig as his cousin, but the Christian knows that man alone was created in the image of God unique and unrelated to any other creature.

Even speaking of the creation as ‘the realm of nature’ and ‘the natural environment’, can be misleading. There’s no such thing as ‘the natural environment’, since we know that nothing came about by itself ‘naturally’, but that everything was the special and intentional creation of God. Perhaps in place of using terms like ‘the natural environment’ and ‘the realm of nature’, it might be more appropriate for Christians to refer to the earth and all that is in it simply as God’s creation. It’s too easy to adopt secular terms when we could use language that witnesses to Christ as Creator.

Enjoy the creation and give praise to God and God alone!   unquote

MOTHER EARTH? People talk about Mother Nature & Mother Earth. What is a Christian view of Earth? – Ask John Mackay | Creation Questions & Answers

The earth including all of Canada was created for the use of mankind, not to made a preserve of some kind to be left untouched or unused with its natural resources.

 

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34 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You are wrong. The greenhouse effect has been know about for decades. 

Nothing hurts an economy like a climate that evaporates all of the water and is to hot to rain. That is what you would have happen to the unborn future generations of humanity.

Based on your religious devotion, you may not wish to float the notion of "cults." Not everyone understands the importance of religious faith.

Question: Is the climate evaporating all of the water?

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27 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I know how politics works.  

What you don't understand is politics and our government has been hijacked by environmental radicals.   

An entire Branch of science was created?  And the entire world, especially democracies and Nations that allow open discussion I've been infected with this?

It really sounds like the most incredible conspiracy ever achieved.

 

Which is why it is not that.

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

An entire Branch of science was created?  And the entire world, especially democracies and Nations that allow open discussion I've been infected with this?

It really sounds like the most incredible conspiracy ever achieved.

 

Which is why it is not that.

 

 

 

When most of the countries of the world send representatives and Canada sends hundreds of people in its delegation to the U.N. sponsored COP conferences, then you know the world has been infected by the radical environmentalist cult.  You also must be aware that a large part of the world's population as for example in India, and some neighbouring countries do not believe in eating meat.  They worship countless gods of Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. and allow cattle to walk the streets untouched while vast numbers of people are starving and living in poverty.  That example proves how easily hundreds of millions of people, maybe billions are so easily deceived by cults such as the environmental cult and Mother Earth worshipers.  

Yet the British Conservative government elected a practicing Hindu as their PM and statistics tell us the number of Christians in Britain has now fallen to less than 50% of the people.  This is just one example of why more and more people are falling for the environmentalist cult of Mother Earth worship.  In Canada there are people who want to bring native spirituality into the public school system now.  That means smudging ceremonies, and worship of spirits of the creatures and Mother Earth would be taught to school students.

When a Christian mother in BC went to court over her daughter being forced to be in a classroom when a smudging ceremony was being held, the judge ruled the smudging ceremony was not a religious practice (if you can believe that).

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. You are espousing a fringe theory and demanding that the entire world, UN and its governments, and all Canadian policies adopt your perspective.  Here's the thing: in politics you don't always get your way.  Take a number and get in line.

2. Strawman.  Trudeau enjoys pumping oil through pipelines and exporting coal, and so your extreme characterization belongs in an echo chamber.  It doesn't fly with people who want to make realistic criticisms.

3. Nobody cares for your familial colouring.  Talk facts.  I don't give a shit about your hockey practices.

4. I am tired of zealots showing up and demanding everyone bow to their viewpoints.  You are on ignore with me but I found this tiresome thread when I was bored so took the time to put you in the conspiracy cardboard box where you deserve to live out your days.

And I'm tired of horseshit.

Here's Li'l Pixie-Dust's speach.

https://pm.gc.ca/en/news/speeches/2016/11/29/prime-minister-justin-trudeaus-pipeline-announcement

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Just over a year ago, Canadians elected a new government. Their marching orders for us were clear: build an economy that works for me and my family, and protect the environment so we can leave a better, cleaner country to our kids.

He has a MINORITY government and got less votes than did that nonce the PCs put up against him. He has no such mandate.

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And we just announced our intention to phase out coal-powered electricity in Canada by 2030, all while expanding clean power sources. This phase out will prevent more than 1,000 premature deaths and save taxpayers billions of dollars in health costs.

Again...horseshit! Not he, nor can anyone, can predict even IF coal-powered electricity will cause any deaths. Deaths due to lack of power would be easier to predict.

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We will require that Kinder Morgan meet or exceed all 157 of the binding conditions set out by the National Energy Board. These conditions address potential impacts on Indigenous communities, the protection of local wildlife, and the offset of greenhouse gas emissions during construction.

IOW...they'll do it with one hand tied behind their back. I wonder how long it'll take the li'l tyke to cancel the BC pipeline on some nebulous grounds?

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Very shortly, we’ll introduce legislation to make this tanker moratorium the law.

Sooo...build the pipeline, but disallow tankers to come and fill up. What a dumb-ass.

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10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Why else would Trudeau appoint a known environmental Greenpeace radical who illegally climbed towers for environmentalism and Greenpeace?

Because Minister Guilbeault knows what he is talking about.

 

13 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The earth is God’s gift to human beings.

The Earth is 4.5 billion years old. There has been life on the earth for 3.5 billion years. There have been modern humans for just 200,000 years, maybe 400,000 years if we include our Neanderthal brothers. Why did God chose homosapiens as a favoured species. According to the Bible, we are the most ill behaved creatures in the flock, often destroying portions of the rest of the flock and always abusing our fellow creatures. God has been constantly punishing us for our sins, even sacrificing the Christ in an effort to get us to behave. I'm sure God would prefer to give rabbits or squirrels dominion over this little planet. My neighbour, Joe, who's family has lived at my place in the Kootenays for centuries, certainly believes squirrels are God's highest creation. God created the earth as a gift to squirrels.

The only reason we have, that homo sapiens are God's beneficiaries, is that an origin story created by some neolithic shepherds said so. As Homo sapiens, of course they decided they were God's favourite. Religion has been around for most, if not all, of Homo sapiens existance. Neanderthats believed in the afterlife. There are the graves at Shanidar that prove this. After all that time, all those religions, what makes us so special.

We are all descended from a boney fish that was a survivor on one of the greatest mass extintions in the last 3.5 billion years. I'm sure the descendents of those boney fish believe dominion was theirs. From them descended cats, bats and old gnus.

Since a surprising portion of the Book of Genises was written by a woman, maybe we should refer to God as She, however it diminishes the omnipotence of God to assign any human charactaristic to her.

At the rate we are going, the greenhouse effect we are causing, will end human existance pretty soon, possibly in the next couple of thousand years. Much of the remaining time will be pretty grim. Compounding that tragedy is we will have taken most, if not all life with us.  Life on earth managed for 3.1 billion years without us imposing our dominion. 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

It will if we allow the ambient temperature to rise fast enough. It would take only a few centuries.

A few centuries? You don't figure we'll discover better ways to power our needs within a few centuries?

Has research all of the sudden ground to a halt?

Please...be serious.

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2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

You're complaining about police costs for an international climate conference?

Quite a nit pick if there ever was one.  Luckily the tone of your post gives it away.

What was accomplished during that last conference? Just held recently, have we made any changes in our policies. if we are not making progress why bother having these conferences why is it so bad to complain about spending 25 million on nothing of any real value, except a good cheese tray and the chance to go see another city night life. 

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45 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

A few centuries? You don't figure we'll discover better ways to power our needs within a few centuries?

Has research all of the sudden ground to a halt?

Please...be serious.

We already have better ways. The problem has been to get them built. The experience of covid shows that there are a few people out there who behave irrationally, such as, not just vaccine hesitancy, but masking as well. All it took was a few people with an irrational fear of nuclear power in the 1970's to set us back forty years.

You are right. I need to be more optimistic. But we still face the problem of using up the resources that appear to be irreplaceable. In over 3000 years, we have not been able to come up with a replacement for steel. Nor have we come up with a replacement for oil as a lubricant. 

However, as a source of clean energy, we have two already. Uranium and thorium (although thorium needs a little tweaking) and hopefully we can get to fusion within a couple of centuries. the advantage of thorium is it is a lot more plentiful, doesn't melt down, is far more efficient leaving little waste, and has no military application. (That is why everyone switched from thorium research to uranium).

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Ironically, if Canada left it's oil in the ground for the next couple of centuries, think of what we coult sell it for by the litre when we had the monopoly on it.

Where does the capacity to evoke such a vision for the country exist that can be carried forward so long?  We'd need a different way of governing ourselves to do so I think.

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2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You are wrong. The greenhouse effect has been know about for decades. 

Nothing hurts an economy like a climate that evaporates all of the water and is to hot to rain. That is what you would have happen to the unborn future generations of humanity.

Based on your religious devotion, you may not wish to float the notion of "cults." Not everyone understands the importance of religious faith.

Giving govs more tax money does nothing to help. And these people are becoming cult like. Sad but true.

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1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

A few centuries? You don't figure we'll discover better ways to power our needs within a few centuries?

Has research all of the sudden ground to a halt?

Please...be serious.

That's not how this works.  The research is needed to provide solutions within the next 30-50 years.  If we continue as we are for the next 100 years, it won't matter what we come up with in 200 years, because by then we'll be in goblin-town.  

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2 hours ago, blackbird said:

When most of the countries of the world send representatives and Canada sends hundreds of people in its delegation to the U.N. sponsored COP conferences, then you know the world has been infected by the radical environmentalist cult.   

That's as far as I got with your post.

The principle here is: "When most of the countries of the world do X then you know Y"

If most of the world does something then it means there's a cult ?


Non sequitur.  "It does not follow".

 

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2 hours ago, PIK said:

And these people are becoming cult like. Sad but true.

What do you mean just becoming cult like? You people have been cancelling concern for the harm that rapid climate change will cause by playing the cult card for decades.  The Church of Economic Doom has never been less shrill, panicked or cult-like.

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1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

That's not how this works.  The research is needed to provide solutions within the next 30-50 years.  If we continue as we are for the next 100 years, it won't matter what we come up with in 200 years, because by then we'll be in goblin-town.  

You sound pretty sure of that.

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What lefties and liberals don't seem to understand is our economy and life operates on the principle of free enterprise capitalism.  Corporations and investors don't just drop what they are investing in such as the oil sands and natural gas extraction and put their money and resources into solar power, wind power, or nuclear power at the drop of a hat because a group of environmentalists say they should.  They have to invest in things that give a reasonable return and today that is the existing oil and gas industry.  Most of the world runs their vehicles on oil products.  Most of the goods require oil in the manufacturing process.  Aircraft, ships, transport trucks almost all use oil to operate.  Corporations cannot make money if they simply stopped investing in the existing energy industry because Liberals and NDP think they should do something else.  That is not how the free world operates.

Liberal and NDP governments solution is to put heavy regulations and carbon taxes on the energy industry and on the general public thinking this will force them to stop producing and using oil and gas.  When there is no ready alternative to oil this is not going to work.  All that is happening is the price of oil and gas all other goods is increasing.  The price of everything simply goes up.  Companies have no choice but to pass the costs on to the consumers.  Investors and corporations must continue to earn a profit or they cannot exist and society cannot function.  Unfortunately for the populations that depend on these products, governments do not understand and will continue to punish everyone for using oil and gas.

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Seat belts, safety glass, crumple zones, air bags, pollution controls, bumper & light standards, mileage mandates. Yes, the free enterprise system is just so efficient as to what is needed. All mandates the Big 3 lobbied against.

Where do you think the bulk of investment money in battery, rare earth mining, etc. is coming from? The oil companies covering their futures. It sure as hell isn't from Greenpeace.

BTW the UN Committee on Environment isn't radicals. People with your point of view are the radicals.

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