Aristides Posted December 1, 2022 Report Share Posted December 1, 2022 2 hours ago, reason10 said: It is impossible for me to be a goose stepper. I'm a conservative Republican. And apparently I have a better grasp of history than you DemoNazis. You're constantly trying to change history to fit whatever RACIST narrative you want to spew on people. Maybe in your own strange world but that isn't how you present. Your grasp of history is very racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 3 hours ago, reason10 said: Asked and answered. There is no such thing as a Native American. That is a bullschit left wing term that oozed into the national consciousness a few years ago and has ZERO basis in fact. They are called INDIANS. They call themselves INDIANS. History calls them INDIANS. The government agency that deals with them is the Bureau of INDIAN affairs. If you want to change the subject and drag RELIGION into this, you only look childish and stupid. That was not the question. My question, why do you care whether they call themselves Native Americans, Indians, Native American Indians, Apaches, Tree People, They, or whatever? Why is that important at all, except to them? What makes you think that their name is your decision? I just don’t get it at all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, Rebound said: That was not the question. My question, why do you care whether they call themselves Native Americans, Indians, Native American Indians, Apaches, Tree People, They, or whatever? Why is that important at all, except to them? What makes you think that their name is your decision? I just don’t get it at all. He's just gunning for Top Troll. LMAO 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodad Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, robosmith said: He's just gunning for Top Troll. LMAO The competition is pretty stiff, but I believe he can clinch it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 Such a self centered American he can't comprehend there are two whole continents named the Americas by Europeans and the USA is just one little part of those. So therefore, how in the hell can anyone even think the peoples who lived on those continents are not 'native Americans'? The United States OF America, got it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, herbie said: Such a self centered American he can't comprehend there are two whole continents named the Americas by Europeans and the USA is just one little part of those. So therefore, how in the hell can anyone even think the peoples who lived on those continents are not 'native Americans'? The United States OF America, got it? He also doesn’t understand that “America” is the English name of the continents and “Native Americans” is the English language name of these people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 This thread is fake news. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reason10 Posted December 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 11 hours ago, Rebound said: That was not the question. My question, why do you care whether they call themselves Native Americans, Indians, Native American Indians, Apaches, Tree People, They, or whatever? Why is that important at all, except to them? What makes you think that their name is your decision? I just don’t get it at all. Their name was NOT my decision. Their name officially is INDIAN, according to the government as in Bureau of Indian Affairs. They call themselves INDIANS. Native American is a bullschitt LIE that uneducated liberals dreamed up (mostly because liberals have so much time on their hands, not having to work a real job and such.) And you Nazis had a cow when this took place. The problem is yours, not most of America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reason10 Posted December 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 5 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: This thread is fake news. This thread is fact. And facts don't care about your feelings, snowflake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reason10 Posted December 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 9 hours ago, Rebound said: He also doesn’t understand that “America” is the English name of the continents and “Native Americans” is the English language name of these people. Wrong. America is an ITALIAN name. (Amerigo Vespucci). The Indians came to this rock BEFORE Vespucci was born, so they cannot be Native Americans. They are INDIANS. There is no such thing as a Bureau for Native American Affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reason10 Posted December 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 10 hours ago, herbie said: Such a self centered American he can't comprehend there are two whole continents named the Americas by Europeans and the USA is just one little part of those. So therefore, how in the hell can anyone even think the peoples who lived on those continents are not 'native Americans'? The United States OF America, got it? Probably because those INDIANS came here BEFORE Amerigo Vespucci was born. They were here BEFORE there was such a thing as America. And the key is THEY CAME HERE. They were not born here originally. They did as everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reason10 Posted December 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 12 hours ago, Aristides said: Maybe in your own strange world but that isn't how you present. Your grasp of history is very racist. As usual, when a mentally retarded poster loses an argument the race card comes out. Are you now calling Indians a RACE? Are you saying they ALL look alike, think alike? DID IT EVER OCCUR TO YOU THAT THE MANY TRIBES (over 700 in the US) DON'T EVEN SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE? DON'T EVEN ADHERE TO THE SAME RELIGION? This thread IS a history lesson. And you have just gotten a D in history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reason10 Posted December 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 12 hours ago, robosmith said: He's just gunning for Top Troll. LMAO As usual, when a low information imbecile loses an argument, out comes the word TROLL, which the dumbass doesn't even understand the meaning thereof. In other words, you have nothing intelligent to add to this discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, reason10 said: Wrong. America is an ITALIAN name. (Amerigo Vespucci). The Indians came to this rock BEFORE Vespucci was born, so they cannot be Native Americans. They are INDIANS. There is no such thing as a Bureau for Native American Affairs. You’re pretty stupid if you think America is not an English word. Is it not in your dictionary? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/America The dictionary doesn’t care about your feelings Why does any of this matter? Edited December 2, 2022 by Rebound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reason10 Posted December 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Rebound said: You’re pretty stupid if you think America is not an English word. Is it not in your dictionary? In other words, you've lost the argument and have nothing intelligent to say. You're trying to change the subject. The roots of the word "America" is the Italian language. Amerigo Vesupucci was an ITALIAN explorer who sailed a lot of the same routes as Columbus, Magellan and others. They are INDIANS. There is no way they can be Native Americans. America didn't exist when they came here from Asia. They basically followed the same pattern as the European settlers. And nobody is calling the settlers Native Americans, even though the settlers NAMED this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, reason10 said: In other words, you've lost the argument and have nothing intelligent to say. You're trying to change the subject. The roots of the word "America" is the Italian language. Amerigo Vesupucci was an ITALIAN explorer who sailed a lot of the same routes as Columbus, Magellan and others. They are INDIANS. There is no way they can be Native Americans. America didn't exist when they came here from Asia. They basically followed the same pattern as the European settlers. And nobody is calling the settlers Native Americans, even though the settlers NAMED this country. Most English words have a root in some other language. Today, America is an English word. Your argument is completely pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reason10 Posted December 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rebound said: Most English words have a root in some other language. Today, America is an English word. Your argument is completely pointless. Again, you are trying to change the subject. This thread is not about the etymology of the word "America." It is about the FACT that they are INDIANS, not Native Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, reason10 said: Again, you are trying to change the subject. This thread is not about the etymology of the word "America." It is about the FACT that they are INDIANS, not Native Americans. Why does that matter to you? Cause I don’t give two sh!ts, and I doubt Native Americans give two sh!ts either. Or even one. In fact, this whole thread isn’t even worth half a sh!t. I keep asking you why it matters and you don’t seem to know either. Edited December 2, 2022 by Rebound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reason10 Posted December 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Rebound said: Why does that matter to you? Cause I don’t give two sh!ts, and I doubt Native Americans give two sh!ts either. Or even one. In fact, this whole thread isn’t even worth half a sh!t. I keep asking you why it matters and you don’t seem to know either. One of two things. You are LYING about not giving a shit about someone of superior intelligence (namely ME) pointed out the error of a political correctness LIE, or You just want to be a TROLL and argue against anything. Bottom line, you have continued to argue, lie and call names in this thread, one way or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, reason10 said: As usual, when a low information imbecile loses an argument, out comes the word TROLL, which the dumbass doesn't even understand the meaning thereof. In other words, you have nothing intelligent to add to this discussion. This is NOT a discussion, it's you posting LAME OPINIONS and calling anyone who disagrees juvenile names. The definition of TROLLING. Congrats, you win Top Troll. Edited December 2, 2022 by robosmith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodad Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 4 hours ago, reason10 said: Again, you are trying to change the subject. This thread is not about the etymology of the word "America." It is about the FACT that they are INDIANS, not Native Americans. First of all, as others have pointed out, the premise underlying your argument is bunk. Despite whatever garbage you've dredged up from the internet backwaters, Columbus definitely thought he had hit the Indies. But, even setting that aside, how does your argument make even the slightest sense? WTF would they officially and irrevocably be "Indians" just because a white man showed up 500+ years ago and said so ? Is that how you think language --or the world-- works? Fine. I'm a white man. -- Now, henceforth and forever you shall be known as Snufflebutt. It's set in stone. Done deal. Go inform your friends and family. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 No! No! You're the retards. You're all liars! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 I've heard both stories - the Christopher Columbus 'People of God' thing and the Columbus thought he'd discovered India thing. Unlike the rest of you genius's though I wasn't born knowing the true truth of everything so I looked it up. I don't know where the 'people of God' thing comes from. It was around pre-windows internet though. That's when I heard it. The etymology of Indian in it's present use goes back to what the late Romans called the land beyond the Indus River. (Starts in Tibet, I think.) The term started getting transferred into French, Spanish, English out of late latin in the 13th century. However, it didn't start being used to describe the peoples of America until the mid 15th century - post Columbus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 Now as to the transference of the term Indian into the term Native that's something I do know a little bit about without doing a search. Because I remember giving it attention when it started to happen. It confused me at the time. There didn't seem to be any need for it. It only seemed important to this new type of Humanities clique coming out of the Universities. Actual Indians didn't care about the term one way or the other. But these new wannabe modelers of a new culture appeared to see the term "Indian" as a pejorative. They were relentless in working to see the old term expunged and replaced with something more sanitary in feel to this new intellectual elite they liked to posture as. Because they cared, you see. Always seemed kind of racist to me. It was the first time I saw racism dressed up like anti-racism. I didn't know the term for these effete, faux-intellectual posers at the time but since then I've come to know them by the term they self-identify as. Progressives. I prefer Progs myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, reason10 said: They were here BEFORE there was such a thing as America. And the key is THEY CAME HERE. They were not born here originally. They did as everyone else. They were here first, hence the more appropriate use of the term First Nations. The Nations in Europe knew full well it was wrong and illegal to just waltz into other people's lands without some sort of by-your-leave process. Many First Nations never ceded their sovereignty, especially in British Columbia and where today's modern treaties cause most conservatives heads that are unfamiliar with them to explode in profound disbelief. I suspect many early colonists would be spinning in their graves. Edited December 2, 2022 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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