Contrarian Posted November 18, 2022 Report Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) If the Ukrainian - Russian war will end with some sort of agreement or cease-fire, in my opinion, one man will come out of all this as a sort of Messiah: Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan told his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin that the meeting between the US and Russian intelligence services was important to prevent an "uncontrolled" escalation in the field, the Turkish presidency announced on Friday, Reuters reports. Lesson for people out there. If you have issues in life, think about Erdogan, this man barely survived an internal coup to come back with an image as a saviour. And not only that, Turkey is pulling strings and benefits from both sides in this conflict. This man is what I call a skilled politician for one side. Now I understand why his people died in the streets in Ankara, Istanbul against the Gullen attempted coup to maintain his power. but this man has issues too, authoritarian issues, but that is for another thread. You don't have to like a man to respect his commitment to his interests. Edited November 18, 2022 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted November 18, 2022 Report Share Posted November 18, 2022 I don't have to respect his self-serving interest. I have to acknowledge his cunning and instincts for self-preservation and self-enrichment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted November 20, 2022 Report Share Posted November 20, 2022 Erdogan is no friend of the West or our values. Under him, Turkey does not belong in NATO. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted December 3, 2022 Report Share Posted December 3, 2022 On 11/18/2022 at 3:48 PM, Moonbox said: I don't have to respect his self-serving interest. I have to acknowledge his cunning and instincts for self-preservation and self-enrichment. How shrewd is a leader who thinks inflation can be lowered with lower interest rates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted December 4, 2022 Report Share Posted December 4, 2022 Not really sure what you're talking about here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 On 12/3/2022 at 9:38 PM, Moonbox said: Not really sure what you're talking about here. On interest rates? https://apnews.com/article/inflation-middle-east-recep-tayyip-erdogan-4184af38885e4195d1a1818f11d13a8b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arikel88 Posted December 25, 2022 Report Share Posted December 25, 2022 Erdogan is Puppet of Putin they fear of him, really if Erdogan wanted war with Europe and broke the European Union Erdogan could even rise inflates prices. Erdogan isn't goingto last foreverbut he intention is to serve Putin. Really Erdogan is a puppet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted December 30, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 (edited) On 12/25/2022 at 10:19 AM, arikel88 said: Erdogan is Puppet of Putin they fear of him, really if Erdogan wanted war with Europe and broke the European Union Erdogan could even rise inflates prices. Erdogan isn't goingto last foreverbut he intention is to serve Putin. Really Erdogan is a puppet. but Erdogan would benefit in certain areas also with a weak Russia. He did more than Hungary for the alliance in this war no matter how we spin it. Not a friend of the West in the long run, I agree with that, anyone that stays in power that many years eventually will derail: recently his actions in Syria. Edited December 30, 2022 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 8 Author Report Share Posted January 8 STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden is confident that Turkey will approve its application to join the NATO military alliance, but cannot fulfil all the conditions Ankara has set for its support, Sweden's prime minister said on Sunday. "Turkey both confirms that we have done what we said we would do, but they also say that they want things that we cannot or do not want to give them," Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson told a defence think-tank conference in Sweden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 (edited) On 1/8/2023 at 9:58 AM, Contrarian said: STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden is confident that Turkey will approve its application to join the NATO military alliance, but cannot fulfil all the conditions Ankara has set for its support, Sweden's prime minister said on Sunday. "Turkey both confirms that we have done what we said we would do, but they also say that they want things that we cannot or do not want to give them," Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson told a defence think-tank conference in Sweden. Sweden would be better off negotiating with NATO member states separately and by-passing Erdoğan who fancies himself as an Ottoman sultan. Turkey has failed to accept it is a multiethnic state with a large Kurdish minority, and still seems hell-bent on wiping out Armenia. Civilized dialogue is pretty well impossible under current management. Edited January 13 by SpankyMcFarland 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 They can't really bypass Turkey, because NATO membership requires unanimous acceptance. The real players in NATO will have to pressure Turkey into accepting it and trying to play the alliance hostage, just like will have to happen with that clown Orban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 14 Author Report Share Posted January 14 (edited) Erdogan is not happy that Sweden is not giving him all the Kurdish prisoners so at this time they are not proceeding. Turkey 'not in a position' to ratify Swedish NATO membership: Ankara (AFP). Edited January 14 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 18 hours ago, Moonbox said: They can't really bypass Turkey, because NATO membership requires unanimous acceptance. The real players in NATO will have to pressure Turkey into accepting it and trying to play the alliance hostage, just like will have to happen with that clown Orban. Nothing stops the US, UK etc from negotiating treaties with Sweden outside the NATO framework but working with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 12 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Nothing stops the US, UK etc from negotiating treaties with Sweden outside the NATO framework but working with it. True enough, and if we end up with too many non-democracies gumming up the works with NATO, they could certainly dissolve the whole thing and build anew. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 16 Author Report Share Posted January 16 (edited) Erdogan and the Turkish Secret Service were busy these days. The Ottoman Sultan named his price: He wants 130 of so called enemies of Turkey that are currently residing in Finland and Sweden to approve them into NATO, Reuters first reported this. Edited January 16 by Contrarian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 He can go pound salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 Hmmm...so now a NATO nation is being attacked by the very folks who have been singing the praises of...NATO. Looks to me like Erdogan is trying to do something beneficial. Find a peaceful end to the Ukraine war. A rational person would encourage such efforts...even salute them. But not the vampires we have here. Quote if we end up with too many non-democracies gumming up the works with NATO, they could certainly dissolve the whole thing and build anew. Ahhh...so should any NATO nation even propose a peace settlement, that nation need be either ignored or NATO disbanded and a new alliance formed. What pure genius. Really...who needs some NATO nation coming along and "gumming up the works" when there's so much blood left to spill? "War mongers unite! Disband NATO and form a new alliance that wants perpetual war in Europe. We need to see death!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: Hmmm...so now a NATO nation is being attacked by the very folks who have been singing the praises of...NATO. Looks to me like Erdogan is trying to do something beneficial. Find a peaceful end to the Ukraine war. A rational person would encourage such efforts...even salute them. But not the vampires we have here. Ahhh...so should any NATO nation even propose a peace settlement, that nation need be either ignored or NATO disbanded and a new alliance formed. What pure genius. Really...who needs some NATO nation coming along and "gumming up the works" when there's so much blood left to spill? "War mongers unite! Disband NATO and form a new alliance that wants perpetual war in Europe. We need to see death!" Europe has been at peace since NATO was formed. The longest period of peace in its history. Until your hero Putin came along. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 45 minutes ago, Aristides said: Europe has been at peace since NATO was formed. The longest period of peace in its history. Until your hero Putin came along. Putin? My "hero"? LOL...what an absolutely Libbie assumption. Too bad you freaks are perpetually wrong about...well...pretty much everything. And its typical that the common Libbie would make such a statement. NATO is good as long as its doing what you Libbies want. Otherwise...toss it under a bus. Quote if we end up with too many non-democracies gumming up the works with NATO, they could certainly dissolve the whole thing and build anew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Putin? My "hero"? LOL...what an absolutely Libbie assumption. Too bad you freaks are perpetually wrong about...well...pretty much everything. And its typical that the common Libbie would make such a statement. NATO is good as long as its doing what you Libbies want. Otherwise...toss it under a bus. NATO was formed in 1949 and there has been no European wars since. That is by far the longest period of peace in its history. Your hero Putin ended that. Edited January 17 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 4 minutes ago, Aristides said: NATO was formed in 1949 and there has been no European wars since. That is by far the longest period of peace in its history. Your hero Putin ended that. Well this is the same garbage you posted last time. When you shake your head...does it rattle? You Libbies are now ready to toss NATO under the bus. Conga-rats. You're now singing the same song as millions of Euros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Too bad you freaks are perpetually wrong about...well...pretty much everything. How do you figure that? How badly are the Europeans freezing without Russian gas. Remember when you were telling us all that was going to happen? 🤣 That you're so consistently proven wrong, and so oblivious to it, is remarkable. Edited January 17 by Moonbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 5 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Well this is the same garbage you posted last time. When you shake your head...does it rattle? You Libbies are now ready to toss NATO under the bus. Conga-rats. You're now singing the same song as millions of Euros. Well dumbass, it happens to be a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 This won't be the first time Russia has over reached in Europe. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Battle-of-Warsaw-1920 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 3 hours ago, Moonbox said: How do you figure that? How badly are the Europeans freezing without Russian gas. Remember when you were telling us all that was going to happen? 🤣 That you're so consistently proven wrong, and so oblivious to it, is remarkable. https://www.euronews.com/2022/12/21/europes-energy-crisis-living-without-central-heating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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