Trump announces he's running for President again

[West]

4 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I KNOW black people who've told me they are stopped by cops for NO REASON. Usually driving their (nice) car in the "wrong" (white) neighborhood. AKA, driving while black

But also for nit picky stuff like a burned out tail light for which few others are stopped.

Which came first? The unwarranted treatment of blacks by cops, or the disrespect for cops that has developed BECAUSE of it?

It's pretty clear that blacks get SHOT for things that whites are just arrested.

I've been pulled over for a busted mirror.. get over it

Can a cop even see their skin tone while driving behind them? Don't think so

Edited November 16, 2022 by West

[robosmith]

17 minutes ago, West said:

I've been pulled over for a busted mirror.. get over it

So what? Your anecdotal evidence does not mean blacks are not pulled over more often than whites. Esp when driving in the "wrong" neighborhood.

17 minutes ago, West said:

Can a cop even see their skin tone while driving behind them? Don't think so

Cops sit on the roadside and see cars coming. View from the front, side and back.

[West]

30 minutes ago, robosmith said:

So what? Your anecdotal evidence does not mean blacks are not pulled over more often than whites. Esp when driving in the "wrong" neighborhood.

Cops sit on the roadside and see cars coming. View from the front, side and back.

Your anecdotal evidence of your black friend being pulled over for something everyone else is is not evidence cops dislike black people. 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, West said:

Your anecdotal evidence of your black friend being pulled over for something everyone else is is not evidence cops dislike black people. 

The statistics back him and me up.

[OftenWrong]

11 hours ago, Rebound said:

Tell me what CRT is, then tell me which public primary or secondary school teaches it. Name the textbook they use.  

I found this in about ten seconds google search.

https://www.etfo.ca/classroom-resources/white-privilege-lesson-plans/white-privilege-lesson-plans

Hope it helps?

[Michael Hardner]

That page is empty - this PDF seems to cover the material:

https://etfovoice.ca/sites/default/files/curriculum_spring_2017.pdf

[OftenWrong]

7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

That page is empty - this PDF seems to cover the material:

https://etfovoice.ca/sites/default/files/curriculum_spring_2017.pdf

Not empty on my computer.

Says "Elementary Teachers' Federation of Ontario".

Quote

Looking for a resource to help unpack white privilege and racism?

 

The PDF booklet Re-Think, Re-Connect, Re-Imagine is an extension of ETFO’s White Privilege project which includes a White Privilege workshop for educators. The resource offers reflections and concrete suggestions for grappling with the issues of privilege and racism in our practice as educators.  It is also available through shopETFO.

 

White Privilege Lesson Plans

 

As an extension to the Re-Think, Re-Connect, Re-Imagine booklet, lesson plans have been developed for the primary, junior and intermediate grades. 

 

A variety of engaging lessons that align with the four sections of the booklet—Myself, My Classroom, My School and My Community—are free to members.

 

To access ETFO’s White Privilege lesson plans for elementary students please email your name, ETFO number and a non-school board Outlook email account to: [email protected].

 

Note the part where it says " an extension of ETFO’s White Privilege project which includes a White Privilege workshop for educators."

 

Sounds like a thing.

[Rebound]

59 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I found this in about ten seconds google search.

https://www.etfo.ca/classroom-resources/white-privilege-lesson-plans/white-privilege-lesson-plans

Hope it helps?

Not one bit. I want the person who says CRT is the number one threat to America to explain what it is — not hyperlink it, explain it.  

[OftenWrong]

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

Not one bit. I want the person who says CRT is the number one threat to America to explain what it is — not hyperlink it, explain it.  

It sounded to me like you didn't think it existed in our country. Looks like yeah.

[OftenWrong]

Bring this back to the actual topic. Trump is not "powerful" other than what he represents, as a foil to leftist liberal extremism. Many people connect with his message. Maybe about half of Americans. Remove the man, suppress the message, you have not dealt with the underlying issue. Another man can take up that message and use it to rally the public for support. That's why Trump still has a chance.

However, I doubt he can win because of the intensely polarized media message that portrays him as a failed president.

It doesn't matter to me if it's Trump or not, as long as it's not a damned liberal.

[West]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

The statistics back him and me up.

Yes as I already alluded to you can manipulate statistics to push just about any narrative you want

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

It sounded to me like you didn't think it existed in our country. Looks like yeah.

So you imagine that lessons on white privilege ARE ABOUT CRT?

Maybe some small subset.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, West said:

Yes as I already alluded to you can manipulate statistics to push just about any narrative you want

So let's see YOUR STATISTICS.

Or at least YOUR critique of polling methodology.

Sorry you don't get to dismiss EVIDENCE for NO REASON.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Bring this back to the actual topic. Trump is not "powerful" other than what he represents, as a foil to leftist liberal extremism. Many people connect with his message. Maybe about half of Americans. Remove the man, suppress the message, you have not dealt with the underlying issue. Another man can take up that message and use it to rally the public for support. That's why Trump still has a chance.

However, I doubt he can win because of the intensely polarized media message that portrays him as a failed president.

It doesn't matter to me if it's Trump or not, as long as it's not a damned liberal.

So you believe a FASCIST who will end democracy is better than a "liberal"?

Maybe you'd like to go (WAY) back to working 12-16 hour days with NO worker protections.

[OftenWrong]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

So you believe a FASCIST who will end democracy is better than a "liberal"?

Maybe you'd like to go (WAY) back to working 12-16 hour days with NO worker protections.

I should have said "communist".

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Not empty on my computer.

Says "Elementary Teachers' Federation of Ontario".

 

Note the part where it says " an extension of ETFO’s White Privilege project which includes a White Privilege workshop for educators."

 

Sounds like a thing.

Yes, what you have posted is like a container or a folder. There are no actual documents in there indicating what the lesson plans will say. When I posted is material for the teachers to prepare for teaching, also it's not the content of what would be taught.

 

I will say that something has changed though, and that Defenders of what is being taught can no longer say they are not teaching critical race Theory. The Whiteness topic is definitely something new, and in that domain.

Edited November 17, 2022 by Michael Hardner

[Rebound]

8 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

It sounded to me like you didn't think it existed in our country. Looks like yeah.

CRT is not taught in primary and secondary schools, because it is graduate school curriculum.  

[OftenWrong]

3 minutes ago, Rebound said:

CRT is not taught in primary and secondary schools, because it is graduate school curriculum.  

Prove it. I gave a link to the elementary teachers federation of ON.

[OftenWrong]

7 minutes ago, Rebound said:

because it is graduate school curriculum

For what graduate school is it the curriculum? 

[Rebound]

14 hours ago, West said:

Your anecdotal evidence of your black friend being pulled over for something everyone else is is not evidence cops dislike black people. 

I have a professional colleague who is a corporate VP and lead corporate counsel. He is a patent attorney and a graduate of Harvard Law School. He dresses professionally.   
 

Yet, he is terrified of police officers, precisely because he is African American.  A colleague of his, also African American, is an even more senior corporate executive and he was violently arrested in his driveway, while his wife and daughter were in their car. The policeman refused to believe he owned the house.  
 

There was an investigation. The state police determined that the state police did nothing wrong. 

[Michael Hardner]

I am changing my mind to say CRT concepts are used, at least in the formulation of lessons.

But this term "Whiteness" as ambiguous and unfortunate as it is...  seems to be used in framing the topic for the educators only.

Whether the subject matter is problematic is a separate question. 

Of course there's a great desire to simplify these things by all kinds of people.

I'd like to resist talking like a spokesman and deal with the heart of the matter.

[Rebound]

8 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Bring this back to the actual topic. Trump is not "powerful" other than what he represents, as a foil to leftist liberal extremism. Many people connect with his message. Maybe about half of Americans. Remove the man, suppress the message, you have not dealt with the underlying issue. Another man can take up that message and use it to rally the public for support. That's why Trump still has a chance.

However, I doubt he can win because of the intensely polarized media message that portrays him as a failed president.

It doesn't matter to me if it's Trump or not, as long as it's not a damned liberal.

What policies are “leftist liberal extremism”?

I think the game the Republicans play is this:  “AOC said blah blah… that means ALL THE DEMOCRATS AGREE.”

Fighting climate change isn’t going to destroy the nation, it will save it.  
 

Gay marriage won’t destroy the country.  
 

Teaching tolerance won’t cause race riots, it will prevent them.

There is no extremist danger; that’s what the GOP invents to hold power.  Sure, there are very left Democrats and there are very right Republicans. The very right has a lot more strength in the GOP than the very left has among the Democrats.  Pelosi, Schumer… they’re moderates.  

[OftenWrong]

8 minutes ago, Rebound said:

What policies are “leftist liberal extremism”?

I think the game the Republicans play is this:  “AOC said blah blah… that means ALL THE DEMOCRATS AGREE.”

Fighting climate change isn’t going to destroy the nation, it will save it.  
 

Gay marriage won’t destroy the country.  
 

Teaching tolerance won’t cause race riots, it will prevent them.

There is no extremist danger; that’s what the GOP invents to hold power.  Sure, there are very left Democrats and there are very right Republicans. The very right has a lot more strength in the GOP than the very left has among the Democrats.  Pelosi, Schumer… they’re moderates.  

That's all lovely, welcome to Canada 20 years ago.

[West]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

I have a professional colleague who is a corporate VP and lead corporate counsel. He is a patent attorney and a graduate of Harvard Law School. He dresses professionally.   
 

Yet, he is terrified of police officers, precisely because he is African American.  A colleague of his, also African American, is an even more senior corporate executive and he was violently arrested in his driveway, while his wife and daughter were in their car. The policeman refused to believe he owned the house.  
 

There was an investigation. The state police determined that the state police did nothing wrong. 

An irrational fear driven largely by CRT in the media and leftist schools

[West]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

What policies are “leftist liberal extremism”?

I think the game the Republicans play is this:  “AOC said blah blah… that means ALL THE DEMOCRATS AGREE.”

Fighting climate change isn’t going to destroy the nation, it will save it.  
 

Gay marriage won’t destroy the country.  
 

Teaching tolerance won’t cause race riots, it will prevent them.

There is no extremist danger; that’s what the GOP invents to hold power.  Sure, there are very left Democrats and there are very right Republicans. The very right has a lot more strength in the GOP than the very left has among the Democrats.  Pelosi, Schumer… they’re moderates.  

The problem with the Democrats is they don't hold their crazies to account. 

Chuck Schumer is still a prominent Democrat and senate speaker i believe yet he can be out threatening Supreme Court justice for decisions he doesn't like. Then they wonder why Republican politicians get shot by crazy nut bags and major US cities get burned to the ground.