Goddess Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 9 hours ago, dialamah said: over 6 million died? We don't know how many people died "from covid", since deaths were artificially inflated all over the world by counting deaths "with covid" as "from covid." Obviously 6 million did NOT die "from covid." That is a fact. And a very large percentage of the deaths that WERE "from covid" could have been prevented with early treatment, had it not been suppressed by greedy Pharma and power-grubbing governments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Goddess said: We don't know how many people died "from covid", since deaths were artificially inflated all over the world by counting deaths "with covid" as "from covid." Obviously 6 million did NOT die "from covid." That is a fact. And a very large percentage of the deaths that WERE "from covid" could have been prevented with early treatment, had it not been suppressed by greedy Pharma and power-grubbing governments. I think COVID did cause significant instances of excess death, especially amongst the immunocompromised. It was a Novel Virus which we had never seen. We'll never know the exact number but instances of morgues filling up faster than can be handled in several places across the world necessitated a strong response by much of the developed world. But it's not new anymore. People can get a vaccine anytime they want. So mitigation measures are no longer about public safety as much as they are about this fetish of control by people who think illness should be, somehow, outlawed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 40 minutes ago, Boges said: So mitigation measures are no longer about public safety as much as they are about this fetish of control by people who think illness should be, somehow, outlawed. You are in Ontario, right? I'm in BC. In BC, boosters, masks and hand-washing continue to be recommended, but there are no mandated mitigation measures. Are there in Ontario still? I'm just wondering who you are referring to having a fetish for control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Goddess said: We don't know how many people died "from covid", since deaths were artificially inflated all over the world by counting deaths "with covid" as "from covid." Obviously 6 million did NOT die "from covid." That is a fact. And a very large percentage of the deaths that WERE "from covid" could have been prevented with early treatment, had it not been suppressed by greedy Pharma and power-grubbing governments. People didn't die from Covid, and even if they did then it was because Big Pharma and Government were in cahoots to let people die. Do I have that about right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 32 minutes ago, dialamah said: You are in Ontario, right? I'm in BC. In BC, boosters, masks and hand-washing continue to be recommended, but there are no mandated mitigation measures. Are there in Ontario still? I'm just wondering who you are referring to having a fetish for control. No. But that's the call. I'm always wondering if this is just a thing Online and in the Media. Because I don't know many people IRL that want the government to force mask wearing again. #BringBackMasks or #COVIDisntOver Maybe I just spend too much time on Twitter. 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Boges said: These infections are much worse because of Social Engineering done through COVID that tried to limit all people's contact with everyone. Cite? Edited November 21, 2022 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: Cite? This is the lively debate. Ever heard of the term Immunity Debt. There are strong opinions on both sides of this. https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2022/11/13/are-immunity-debt-claims-after-covid-19-precautions-accurate-or-misinformation/?sh=2d0528d07348 Quote Now, the current surge in RSV among those under two years of age may be due in part to the fact that some very young children are seeing RSV for the very first time now. Many of the current cases may be accumulated cases that would have been spread out more evenly over the Fall 2020 through late Winter 2022 time period had Covid-19 precautions not been in place. Whether it exists in adults who've had colds and the Flu before is one thing. I know my parents got very sick from a Cold they got from my son this past summer. They had been very strict with COVID restrictions for much of the pandemic. I think it's beyond debate that the influx of children getting sick now is because they've never seen these viruses in the way a normal child experiences viruses. They were put in a bubble for two years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Boges said: No. But that's the call. I'm always wondering if this is just a thing Online and in the Media. Because I don't know many people IRL that want the government to force mask wearing again. #BringBackMasks or #COVIDisntOver Maybe I just spend too much time on Twitter. 😏 Yeah, I wouldn't take a trend on Twitter as proof of much, but then I'm not on Twitter enough to even know how to use it effectively. Given the destruction of our medical system, I do wonder what's going to happen with the flu, Covid and now RSV cases increasing. Emergency rooms in smaller places are shutting down for sometimes days at a time, there are 12 hour waits at Children's Hospital in Vancouver and I don't know how long the waits are for other hospitals. My doctor is now scheduling appointments a month out, an increase of two weeks from a few months ago. If the choice is virtually no medical care available for sick kids/people or wearing a mask/social distancing to reduce illness overwhelming our health system, what's the better option? (Just asking for discussion; I'm not advocating for mandates). I also wonder if there was a similar outbreak after the 1918 flu, when masking was also encouraged/mandated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 minute ago, dialamah said: Yeah, I wouldn't take a trend on Twitter as proof of much, but then I'm not on Twitter enough to even know how to use it effectively. Given the destruction of our medical system, I do wonder what's going to happen with the flu, Covid and now RSV cases increasing. Emergency rooms in smaller places are shutting down for sometimes days at a time, there are 12 hour waits at Children's Hospital in Vancouver and I don't know how long the waits are for other hospitals. My doctor is now scheduling appointments a month out, an increase of two weeks from a few months ago. If the choice is virtually no medical care available for sick kids/people or wearing a mask/social distancing to reduce illness overwhelming our health system, what's the better option? (Just asking for discussion; I'm not advocating for mandates). I also wonder if there was a similar outbreak after the 1918 flu, when masking was also encouraged/mandated. Wouldn't it be cool if you could pay a nominal fee to see a doctor right away. 😉 In my portion of Ontario, healthcare is quite readily available, And my family has been using our fair share these past 6 months. And not just a family doctor, but urgent care or walk-in clinics. Plus Pediatricians. I wonder if we just need some education on why one should go to an ER. It's not first come, first serve. In June I waited 6 or 7 hours at a Children's Hospital to find out my son had pneumonia. I suspect I could have gone to a local Urgent Care Clinic and dealt with that in far less time. But panicky parents panic, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Boges said: I think it's beyond debate that the influx of children getting sick now is because they've never seen these viruses in the way a normal child experiences viruses. They were put in a bubble for two years. I think it's a debate I'll take more seriously if it noticeably starts trending that way amongst the vast majority of experts on the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: I think it's a debate I'll take more seriously if it noticeably starts trending that way amongst the vast majority of experts on the topic. The whole reason for the OP recommendations are because of a surge amongst Children's Hospitals and Pediatric ICU beds. And it's not because of COVID but because of normal viruses that are quite common and usually quite mild, but children have been living in a very abnormal society in the past few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 56 minutes ago, Boges said: The whole reason for the OP recommendations are because of a surge amongst Children's Hospitals and Pediatric ICU beds. And it's not because of COVID but because of normal viruses that are quite common and usually quite mild, but children have been living in a very abnormal society in the past few years. It's also because our health system is a shambles and it's being taxed to the breaking point. I'm pretty passionate about that issue because both my wife and myself have been in and out of hospitals a couple times through COVID and there's a good chance I'll need to be in a hospital in the next 5 years...that said my cardiologist has been threatening me with a 5 year window for the last 12 years. I think there were enough good reasons given for why there is such a surge now that had nothing to do with a new scary sounding phenomenon, immunity debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's also because our health system is a shambles and it's being taxed to the breaking point. I'm pretty passionate about that issue because both my wife and myself have been in and out of hospitals a couple times through COVID and there's a good chance I'll need to be in a hospital in the next 5 years...that said my cardiologist has been threatening me with a 5 year window for the last 12 years. I think there were enough good reasons given for why there is such a surge now that had nothing to do with a new scary sounding phenomenon, immunity debt. Governments of all levels take an increasing amount of money from all of us and force us to use the system they offer. They need to come up with better solutions to Healthcare mismanagement than telling people they can't go to a restaurant unless they wear a mask when they go to the bathroom. Edited November 21, 2022 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Boges said: Governments of all levels take an increasing amount of money from all of us and force us to use the system they offer. People of all ideologies need to force the system to work better by demanding more transparency and better accountability from governments of all levels. Quote They need to come up with better solutions to Healthcare mismanagement than telling people they can't go to a restaurant unless they wear a mask when they go to the bathroom. Of course they do but they won't until we come up with better solutions for changing the way we're governed and managed. We need better ways of communicating with one another so we can coordinate our efforts at focusing instead of crapping our pants over shit. Edited November 21, 2022 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted December 1, 2022 Report Share Posted December 1, 2022 Ontario's "top doctor" can wear a mask if he wants to. And from what I've seen he doesn't want to. Thus, he's nothing more than a tweenkie little hypocrite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 On 12/1/2022 at 5:14 AM, Nationalist said: Ontario's "top doctor" can wear a mask if he wants to. And from what I've seen he doesn't want to. Thus, he's nothing more than a tweenkie little hypocrite. People like him are clearly on your side given the damage they do by fuelling resentment. How's that saying go, credibility arrives in spoonfuls and is carried off in buckets. Oh well it's not like your side doesn't have it's share of dingbats cocking up whatever it is you guys are selling so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 4 hours ago, eyeball said: People like him are clearly on your side given the damage they do by fuelling resentment. How's that saying go, credibility arrives in spoonfuls and is carried off in buckets. Oh well it's not like your side doesn't have it's share of dingbats cocking up whatever it is you guys are selling so... My side? So many things instantly roll out of my mind...but instead I'll grant you this. "My side" consists of the living who wish to continue to do so. Who's "your side"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 19 minutes ago, Nationalist said: My side? So many things instantly roll out of my mind...but instead I'll grant you this. "My side" consists of the living who wish to continue to do so. Who's "your side"? The side that wishes you people could take health measures intended to protect all of us a little more seriously. You people includes the hypocrite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted December 3, 2022 Report Share Posted December 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, eyeball said: The side that wishes you people could take health measures intended to protect all of us a little more seriously. "Seriously" like when the Calgary Police arrested this young man for playing hockey on an outdoor rink - for his safety, of course. Kids who played hockey in the evening had their hockey sticks taken away and sent home and parents were warned if this happened again they would pay a fine of $2,500. Playgrounds fenced off with 10 feet tall fencing to stop kids from playing on a swing or a slide. Now we all know that the shots were never tested for, nor do they stop transmission. Oh, wait. I forgot. We're supposed to be grateful the kids weren't thrown into a Chinese work camp. Ya. No thanks. Take your paranoid hysteria and conspiracy theories somewhere else. The rest of us are done with the likes of you. Edited December 3, 2022 by Goddess 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted December 3, 2022 Report Share Posted December 3, 2022 14 minutes ago, Goddess said: "Seriously" like when the Calgary Police arrested this young man for playing hockey on an outdoor rink - for his safety, of course. Kids who played hockey in the evening had their hockey sticks taken away and sent home and parents were warned if this happened again they would pay a fine of $2,500. Seriously like when you've already been warned. If it was under any other circumstances there are very very few conservative right-wingers in the land who would give anyone who ignored such a warning much leeway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted December 3, 2022 Report Share Posted December 3, 2022 23 minutes ago, eyeball said: Seriously like when you've already been warned. If it was under any other circumstances there are very very few conservative right-wingers in the land who would give anyone who ignored such a warning much leeway. It is anti-science. It is wrong. It should be ignored. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted December 3, 2022 Report Share Posted December 3, 2022 18 minutes ago, Goddess said: It is anti-science. It is wrong. It should be ignored. To ignore the law is wrong, it's definitely anti right wing and any reason for behaving otherwise should be ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted December 3, 2022 Report Share Posted December 3, 2022 11 hours ago, eyeball said: To ignore the law is wrong, it's definitely anti right wing and any reason for behaving otherwise should be ignored. There's that authoritarian streak...on your side. No Sir. It certainly is true that the left is the wrong side for me. I don't do well with panic and laws that are stupid and unjust. But hey...at least we confirmed the suspicion the Libbies will easily slip to authoritarian means, should their dumb-assed ideas be challenged. Thanks for that...BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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