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9 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

1. Really?  It seems pretty clear what happened here.  This gov wasn't doing enough about CSIS reports of serious CCP espionage and foreign influence concerns infiltrating our federal government and democratic processes so CSIS got fed up and leaked the story to the press.  Why else would they leak it?  Then within a week the RCMP makes an arrest and makes it public to the press, the first public Chinese espionage arrest I can remember since 2019 when the Chinese scientists (who received an award from the GG ?) were escorted from the national virus lab in Winnipeg.

2. This government should not need CSIS leaks and NGO leaks about CCP "police stations" in Canada used to intimidate Canadians before they act on very serious national security issues.  This government is incompetent.  CSIS is doing its job and this gov is not doing theirs.

1. That is a guess.  The Winnipeg story has been in the news for a long time...
2. You don't know that these incidents are connected.

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1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

should the RCMP moved in when the 2 Canadians were arrested at the discretion of Beijing in a show? 

What would the (capitalist/communist hybrid) new Mao and his followers do, you think? 

Chess game. 

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Yah, good point to think about (Harper, China and their relationship).  

Canada has a lot of economic assets in China due to decades of trade and manufacturing growth there.  Now China is in a powerful enough position to use these economic ties as leverage to scare our government into taking action against them when they commit espionage and other crimes.

The solution is to decouple economically from China in order to remove their leverage over our government.  Our government is I imagine scared to do this because we'll take an economic hit, which they fear will make them unpopular.  The CCP may even have more leverage on our government as the recent CSIS leaks suggest, they may be compromised with money or whatnot who knows.  Look at John McCallum, he was a former minister of national defense and then ambassador to China with a China-Canadian wife and was covering for the CCP publicly and making public suggestions for the US to drop the extradition request, and was removed from his post for these comments.  The man was very likely compromised.  The recent CSIS leaks make this a very real possibility.

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44 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well... maybe it was.  You actually don't know.  The Winnipeg story hit a long time ago and has been dormant.  Why didn't that cause some similar reaction in the PMO ?  

The answer is: we don't know.

Presuming you can read . . . . 'The Origin of the Deadliest Pandemic in 100 Years'   by  Elaine Dewar

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On 11/12/2022 at 10:37 AM, Contrarian said:

The New York Times has a contrarian article. 
 

They still love Trudeau.

Any talk is just that: talk. It's meaningless until they demonstrate resolve by increasing the budget for CSIS and CSE, ordering members of the United Front and Chinese language media in Canada to register as foreign agents, and closing down the Confucius institutes.

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16 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Canada has a lot of economic assets in China due to decades of trade and manufacturing growth there.  Now China is in a powerful enough position to use these economic ties as leverage to scare our government into taking action against them when they commit espionage and other crimes.

We have little in the way of exports to China. All they buy, mostly, is raw materials and food. Their leverage, on the other hand, is in the things they sell us. We get most of our medicine from them, for example, not to mention a huge number of consumer goods. Replacing the consumer goods would be costly. Replacing the medicine may not even be possible, and if it is would take considerable time. So far they haven't used that as blackmail, probably because it would be a wake up notice to every country buying from them, who would all immediately start looking for alternatives. But that day is coming.

And if they get their hands on Taiwan we're really in trouble. Sixty percent of the world's semiconductors come from Taiwan, and 90% of the more advanced chips.

16 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The solution is to decouple economically from China in order to remove their leverage over our government.

Their leverage is more about money in the pockets of influential Liberals than economic worries. Such people are offered very preferential investment deals in China in hopes they will influence government policy. You saw them coming out of the woodwork during the two michaels, advising the government to let Wanzhou go. But usually they're behind the scenes, whispering in ears at various Liberal Party gatherings. They have names like Chretien, Manley, Rock, Axworthy, and Oullette.

16 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 Look at John McCallum, he was a former minister of national defense and then ambassador to China with a China-Canadian wife and was covering for the CCP publicly and making public suggestions for the US to drop the extradition request, and was removed from his post for these comments.  The man was very likely compromised.  The recent CSIS leaks make this a very real possibility.

He was certainly compromised, and so was his successor. Although in the case of the latter he was willingly and eagerly compromised long before he was appointed ambassador, as was his wife.

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Wowee...the gov is getting tough on China now.  Good job being proactive and not reactive there feds!  If you see any Chinese espionage happening don't bother reporting it to the authorities, just report it to the media:

https://globalnews.ca/news/9280974/china-interference-canada-election-investigation-toronto-businessman/

 

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15 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Nonsense.  They’re our 2nd largest trading nation in terms of exports.  You make it sound as if we hardly send anything their way.  

Our biggest export to China is... coal. Other major exports are copper and iron ore, wood pulp, and agricultural products.

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5 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Nonsense.  They’re our 2nd largest trading nation in terms of exports.  You make it sound as if we hardly send anything their way.  

23 Bil is not what i call a massive amount, it represents only 4.6 % of all our trade and could easily be made up by increasing trade with other nations had we LP gas terminals we could be providing more to Europe and cutting back on exports to China. It is our imports of Chinese good that are a problem.   Canada's Top Trading Partners 2021 (worldstopexports.com)

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12 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

No, that’s a simpleton, unrealistic view of selling resources. 

It's good enough for government work. The market for the likes of coal is worldwide and there is no preference given to sellers except for on price and reliability. Which is why countries have no problem buying oil and gas from the likes of Russia, Venezuela or Saudi Arabia.

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3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

It's good enough for government work. The market for the likes of coal is worldwide and there is no preference given to sellers except for on price and reliability. Which is why countries have no problem buying oil and gas from the likes of Russia, Venezuela or Saudi Arabia.

You can't stand up for human rights while you're sitting down with dictators. Human rights should have been at the top of our list of conditions for trading anything with anyone decades ago. 

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2 hours ago, eyeball said:

You can't stand up for human rights while you're sitting down with dictators. Human rights should have been at the top of our list of conditions for trading anything with anyone decades ago. 

The problem is few of the world's countries meet up with our belief in human rights. And that includes many of the democracies. Japan? India? Singapore? Mexico? Indonesia? Pakistan? Gross violations of human rights happen in these countries all the time. Never mind the actual dictatorships, which is most of the rest of the world.

And most of the 'good' countries are in the EU, which has a tariff wall up around it.

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1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

The problem is few of the world's countries meet up with our belief in human rights.

Same blah blah blah were hear on climate change for decades and decades. I simply don't care.

Our grandparents sacrificed some 40% of their GDP to fight tyranny, I guess it wasn't enough.

 

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3 hours ago, eyeball said:

You can't stand up for human rights while you're sitting down with dictators. Human rights should have been at the top of our list of conditions for trading anything with anyone decades ago. 

What is it with Libbies that they are slaves to their feelings? It's just so...juvenile. 

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41 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

What is it with Libbies that they are slaves to their feelings? It's just so...juvenile.

Well, there's a lot of truth to the idea that we should have learned everything we need to know how to get along in the world by the time we graduate kindergarten.

The pagan ethos you 'adults' subscribe to is so...cro magnon. Not  to mention phony as a three dollar bill.

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2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Well, there's a lot of truth to the idea that we should have learned everything we need to know how to get along in the world by the time we graduate kindergarten.

The pagan ethos you 'adults' subscribe to is so...cro magnon.

Perhaps...but it produces positive results...not recessions and pixie-dust.

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