The Elon Musk Movement = )

[robosmith]

12 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Lol ... split that hair, didn't ya.

Yeah, like Musk just outlawed posts referencing HIS COMPETITORS in social media. Except TikTok. 🤪

[Contrarian]

5 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Kind of brilliant if he plans to lose.

He might lose the poll but win in his ideas. The bottom line is he needs a politician type to lead Twitter for him to achieve on the technical side. People like Musk that are focused on ideas and achieving can not expect to be loved by all. One can't have them all in life. Twitter needs a people skills person which can run their mouth like a lawyer and Musk in the background is my opinion. 

The Randanian way of thinking can make one achieve great things, the downside to that is isolation and lack of people skills. When one is focused on ideas and the next step one forgets how to behave with people around and sometimes that can turn against the idea itself. It does not matter how talented and smart one is, if in this era one is not able to talk as a politician, one has zero chances in business. We live in a world where each word and tweet is being analysed and can have an effect. 

So good for him if he sees his limitations in this department, you can't spend time on Twitter daily as a high achiever answering every Joe. Yesterday when he left that journalism conference in the middle of it just shows that he is not meant to waste time on these types of activities. I think is starting to take a toll. 

Edited December 19, 2022 by Contrarian

[Contrarian]

4 hours ago, Contrarian said:

He might lose the poll but win in his ideas. The bottom line is he needs a politician type to lead Twitter for him to achieve on the technical side. People like Musk that are focused on ideas and achieving can not expect to be loved by all. One can't have them all in life. Twitter needs a people skills person which can run their mouth like a lawyer and Musk in the background is my opinion. 

The Randanian way of thinking can make one achieve great things, the downside to that is isolation and lack of people skills. When one is focused on ideas and the next step one forgets how to behave with people around and sometimes that can turn against the idea itself. It does not matter how talented and smart one is, if in this era one is not able to talk as a politician, one has zero chances in business. We live in a world where each word and tweet is being analysed and can have an effect. 

So good for him if he sees his limitations in this department, you can't spend time on Twitter daily as a high achiever answering every Joe. Yesterday when he left that journalism conference in the middle of it just shows that he is not meant to waste time on these types of activities. I think is starting to take a toll. 

Twitter poll: Majority says Musk should step down as CEO

A majority of respondents — 57.5% — to a Twitter poll posted by Elon Musk on Sunday said that he should "step down as head" of Twitter.

Between the lines: News of Musk's resignation wouldn't be shocking, considering he has long dismissed the value of corporate titles — and had recently assured anxious Tesla investors that he planned to step down eventually.

But, but, but: Musk still owns Twitter, so any new CEO still would report to him.

The bottom line: Musk so far has abided by the results of his Twitter polls, including the reinstatement of former President Trump. But he's also known to change his mind.

Why it matters: His potential resignation as the head of Twitter could end one of the most chaotic and controversial tenures ever for a CEO of a major U.S. company.

https://www.axios.com/2022/12/19/elon-musk-twitter-ceo-poll-results

[Hodad]

27 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Twitter poll: Majority says Musk should step down as CEO

A majority of respondents — 57.5% — to a Twitter poll posted by Elon Musk on Sunday said that he should "step down as head" of Twitter.

Between the lines: News of Musk's resignation wouldn't be shocking, considering he has long dismissed the value of corporate titles — and had recently assured anxious Tesla investors that he planned to step down eventually.

But, but, but: Musk still owns Twitter, so any new CEO still would report to him.

The bottom line: Musk so far has abided by the results of his Twitter polls, including the reinstatement of former President Trump. But he's also known to change his mind.

Why it matters: His potential resignation as the head of Twitter could end one of the most chaotic and controversial tenures ever for a CEO of a major U.S. company.

https://www.axios.com/2022/12/19/elon-musk-twitter-ceo-poll-results

I hope not. I'd like to see him run it properly into the ground first. 

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

Yeah, like Musk just outlawed posts referencing HIS COMPETITORS in social media. Except TikTok. 🤪

Oh my.

Hey wait a minute. I thought you Libbies were all in favor of business being able to make its own decisions. Gee...guess that only applies when the business favors you.

As I've said so many times...

You Libbies have no principals.

[Hodad]

57 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Oh my.

Hey wait a minute. I thought you Libbies were all in favor of business being able to make its own decisions. Gee...guess that only applies when the business favors you.

As I've said so many times...

You Libbies have no principals.

That has to be one of the flimsiest straw men I've ever seen. lol

In the same way that free speech entitles you to make lame posts like that one, businesses are free to enforce their own speech policies. Neither liberty, however, exempts one from criticism. You are free to say stupid things. I'm free to point out that they are stupid. Fun for all!

[Infidel Dog]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

That has to be one of the flimsiest straw men I've ever seen. lol

And that has to be one of the most egregiously dumb misuses of the term "straw man" since Progs discovered it and trust me you've got some competition.

What makes this one stand out is the idea businesses could make their own decisions was as he said the go to defense when anybody criticized Twitter's censorship policies. Ignoring it now is prog hypocrisy and that's his point. It's about as relevant as relevant gets. It needs to be pointed out rigorously in any discussion where Twitter's business practices are held up for scrutiny.

Calling that a straw man is just saying "you can't criticize muh hypocrisy cause I know a new word now."

BTW, it wasn't just Tik Tok on Elon's exempt list. There were many other social media sites. Gab for example.

[Legato]

The "strawman" analogy is the epitome of clutching at straws.

[Infidel Dog]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

In the same way that free speech entitles you to make lame posts like that one, businesses are free to enforce their own speech policies. Neither liberty, however, exempts one from criticism. You are free to say stupid things. I'm free to point out that they are stupid. Fun for all!

This part is just more hypocrisy. You're saying criticism is wonderful when you do it but you don't want to allow his critique.

[Hodad]

58 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

And that has to be one of the most egregiously dumb misuses of the term "straw man" since Progs discovered it and trust me you've got some competition.

What makes this one stand out is the idea businesses could make their own decisions was as he said the go to defense when anybody criticized Twitter's censorship policies. Ignoring it now is prog hypocrisy and that's his point. It's about as relevant as relevant gets. It needs to be pointed out rigorously in any discussion where Twitter's business practices are held up for scrutiny.

Calling that a straw man is just saying "you can't criticize muh hypocrisy cause I know a new word now."

BTW, it wasn't just Tik Tok on Elon's exempt list. There were many other social media sites. Gab for example.

It seems that you do not know what a straw man argument is, because that post is a textbook example. Rather than debating what people have actually said, Nationalist thinks it's more fun to attack some funhouse mirror version of an argument... and then celebrate his imaginary takedown.

I appreciate that "straw man" is a new word for you, but don't assume that it is for others. It's not new for anyone who has studied logic or debate, and for most who participate in debate. 

You also misunderstand hypocrisy, FWIW. There is nothing contradictory between acknowledging that private businesses are free to make their own moderation policies and simultaneously criticizing the policies that are made. There is no tension there. It's easy--common even--to hold both views at once. 

An example of hypocrisy would be if someone were to defend favorable policies by pointing out that private businesses were free to make their own content moderation policies AND THEN argued for government oversight after an unwelcome change in policy. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

This part is just more hypocrisy. You're saying criticism is wonderful when you do it but you don't want to allow his critique.

I don't think you've thought this through. As in the post above, there is no tension between simultaneously acknowledging that private organizations can define their own moderation/speech standards while also disliking or criticizing a set of standards. 

No different than acknowledging freedom of speech and criticizing specific speech. 

I did not know that there was so much confusion about the meaning of the word hypocrisy. 

[Infidel Dog]

24 minutes ago, Hodad said:

It seems that you do not know what a straw man argument is, because that post is a textbook example.

How proggy of you. Textbook projection. (Look it up.)

Actually if you want to go back and look at what Nationalist was critiquing, that was the strawman. 

R&R wanted to go off and discuss some sort of hypocrisy he thought he saw in how Musk handled some tangential situation. Nationalist basically said, "You want to talk hypocrisy how about the elephant in the room."

So again your rule seems to be "rules for thee but not for me and words mean what I want them to depending on the situation."

BTW I notice Progs doing that all the time. They create a strawman then when that gets knocked down they start pointing fingers and accusing the guy who did it of creating a strawman.

[Infidel Dog]

37 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You also misunderstand hypocrisy, FWIW. There is nothing contradictory between acknowledging that private businesses are free to make their own moderation policies and simultaneously criticizing the policies that are made. 

Yeah, yeah, I know...it's OK when you do it.

[Hodad]

5 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Yeah, yeah, I know...it's OK when you do it.

😕It's okay when anyone does that. Freedom to do is not freedom from criticism. Is that really a difficult concept to grasp?

 

Edited December 19, 2022 by Hodad

[Hodad]

10 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

How proggy of you. Textbook projection. (Look it up.)

Actually if you want to go back and look at what Nationalist was critiquing, that was the strawman. 

R&R wanted to go off and discuss some sort of hypocrisy he thought he saw in how Musk handled some tangential situation. Nationalist basically said, "You want to talk hypocrisy how about the elephant in the room."

So again your rule seems to be "rules for thee but not for me and words mean what I want them to depending on the situation."

BTW I notice Progs doing that all the time. They create a strawman then when that gets knocked down they start pointing fingers and accusing the guy who did it of creating a strawman.

^^ This schtick probably plays a lot better with folks who don't own a dictionary. 

Musk is a hypocrite. This whole "Twitter Files" sideshow criticizes how the previous regime made arbitrary, opaque decisions about content moderation and platform participation. Musk, since he has taken over has engaged in plenty of that exact behavior, becoming a poster boy for hypocrisy.  

I think Musk is making a complete jackass of himself with his capricious governance of Twitter, yet I still acknowledge his complete right to set those policies. <-- look and be dazzled by the magic of consistent thought. Try it sometime.

[Infidel Dog]

Anytime anybody said anything critical about Twitter's politically biased censorship and shadow banning practices one of you or yours would jump forward dripping with smug about how Twitter was a private company.

Wouldn't surprise me if R&R had it some place convenient on his or their laptop to copy and paste.

So now the shoe's on the other foot. Musk owns the company. Try telling the proggish now how it's a private company and they'll jump forward with a barrage of made up definitions to trendy terms meant to let you know it's no longer permissible to point that out.

That's textbook hypocrisy. The proof is in the contradiction.

Hypocrisy by definition: The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

 Admit it. You never gave a donut hole's concern about the right's of a private company.

The fact you've flipped so blatantly on when they're right or wrong proves it. Hypocrites.

Edited December 19, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Hodad]

16 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

 

So now the shoe's on the other foot. Musk owns the company. Try telling the proggish now how it's a private company and they'll jump forward with a barrage of made up definitions to trendy terms meant to let you know it's no longer permissible to point that out.

Jeebus. Do you own stock in some kind of straw man factory or something? Look, you're literally making up a scenario, assigning it to some fictional "progressive" and pretending it constitutes a valid argument. 

 

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That's textbook hypocrisy. The proof is in the contradiction.

Hypocrisy by definition: The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

 Admit it. You never gave a donut hole's concern about the right's of a private company.

The fact you've flipped so blatantly on when they're right or wrong proves it. Hypocrites.

Ah, and now you bask in the masturbatory afterglow of vanquising your straw man. You are indeed mighty! lol

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, Hodad said:

That has to be one of the flimsiest straw men I've ever seen. lol

In the same way that free speech entitles you to make lame posts like that one, businesses are free to enforce their own speech policies. Neither liberty, however, exempts one from criticism. You are free to say stupid things. I'm free to point out that they are stupid. Fun for all!

Like I said...no principals.

You Libbies howled for how long that private businesses can run themselves and sensor anyone they like?

You can post all the condescending BS you like. You actions betray your Tweenkie butt though.

[Hodad]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Like I said...no principals.

You Libbies howled for how long that private businesses can run themselves and sensor anyone they like?

You can post all the condescending BS you like. You actions betray your Tweenkie butt though.

Eh, if you can't track the conversation enough to respond to the points actually offered then probably best to pipe down rather than call attention to it. 

And WTF is a "Tweenkie butt" and why are you so interested in them? 

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

^^ This schtick probably plays a lot better with folks who don't own a dictionary. 

Musk is a hypocrite. This whole "Twitter Files" sideshow criticizes how the previous regime made arbitrary, opaque decisions about content moderation and platform participation. Musk, since he has taken over has engaged in plenty of that exact behavior, becoming a poster boy for hypocrisy.  

I think Musk is making a complete jackass of himself with his capricious governance of Twitter, yet I still acknowledge his complete right to set those policies. <-- look and be dazzled by the magic of consistent thought. Try it sometime.

Whine whine whine...

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Eh, if you can't track the conversation enough to respond to the points actually offered then probably best to pipe down rather than call attention to it. 

And WTF is a "Tweenkie butt" and why are you so interested in them? 

Allow me to make an even bigger fool of you.

Robo-bot posted...to me...

20 hours ago, robosmith said:

Yeah, like Musk just outlawed posts referencing HIS COMPETITORS in social media. Except TikTok. 🤪

I replied...to him...

10 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Oh my.

Hey wait a minute. I thought you Libbies were all in favor of business being able to make its own decisions. Gee...guess that only applies when the business favors you.

As I've said so many times...

You Libbies have no principals.

Then you chimed in with...

9 hours ago, Hodad said:

That has to be one of the flimsiest straw men I've ever seen. lol

In the same way that free speech entitles you to make lame posts like that one, businesses are free to enforce their own speech policies. Neither liberty, however, exempts one from criticism. You are free to say stupid things. I'm free to point out that they are stupid. Fun for all!

Completely ignoring the now well established fact that Twitter and FB were sensoring criticizms of your prog ideas. You were OK with that  sensorship. But alas...now...not so much. Thus...you're a common hypocrite.

Then you post this gem...

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Eh, if you can't track the conversation enough to respond to the points actually offered then probably best to pipe down rather than call attention to it. 

And WTF is a "Tweenkie butt" and why are you so interested in them? 

So for you personal benefit, I suggest you keep your Tweenkie butt safe from being an even bigger flop than you already are.

Edited December 19, 2022 by Nationalist

[Hodad]

15 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Allow me to make an even bigger fool of you.

Robo-bot posted...to me...

I replied...to him...

Then you chimed in with...

Completely ignoring the now well established fact that Twitter and FB were sensoring criticizms of your prog ideas. You were OK with that  sensorship. But alas...now...not so much. Thus...you're a common hypocrite.

Then you post this gem...

So for you personal benefit, I suggest you keep your Tweenkie butt safe from being an even bigger flop than you already are.

It's great that you finally made an effort to string more than a few words together, but all you've done is repeat your lame strawman, as if all those posts had never even happened. I.e. not tracking the conversation.

It's a fact that there is nothing hypocritical about acknowledging the rights of a private org to make moderation policy, and simultaneously thinking the policy is silly/crazy/stupid or even hypocritical (in the case of Musk).

You seem to be in denial about this fact. WTF is a Tweenkie? Are you coming on to me? If so, no thanks.
 

[Contrarian]

Twitter owner and CEO Elon Musk is searching for a new chief executive of the company, sources told CNBC’s David Faber.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/20/elon-musk-actively-searching-for-a-new-twitter-ceo-sources-say.html

[Hodad]

25 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Twitter owner and CEO Elon Musk is searching for a new chief executive of the company, sources told CNBC’s David Faber.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/20/elon-musk-actively-searching-for-a-new-twitter-ceo-sources-say.html

Alright, folks. Polish up those resumes and selfies. This could be the first Fortune 600 CEO chosen by Twitter poll.

[Aristides]

Musk is destroying Twitter. The sooner the better.

 

At best it will just become another right wing echo chamber.

Edited December 20, 2022 by Aristides