The Elon Musk Movement = )

[Goddess]

6 hours ago, Hodad said:

You mean, except those Furin cleavage sites that occur naturally in coronaviruses? 

While true, pretty much everyone agrees that the furin cleavage site in the Sars-Cov2 is very........odd.  And if it did occur naturally, it is absent from every other group 2B CoVs known to science thus far.

This scientist published these articles back in 2020, 2021 but I had saved them because he explains the sequencing of the virus and the furin cleavage site quite well, enough that laymen, like myself, can understand the issue.

 

The hidden debate about the SARS-CoV-2 furin cleavage site (randombio.com)

Underground virologists question the origins of SARS-CoV-2 (randombio.com)

 

I had forgotten this little anecdote that was in one of the articles, it made me chuckle then and again, now:

Quote

(As an aside, there are photos of Anthony Fauci wearing a clean and pressed lab coat, which proves he's not a real scientist. Lab coats are only worn when the risk of getting bad stuff on one's clothes is higher than the risk of knocking a over a beaker of it with those big sleeves. Lab coats also have slots that let you access your pockets. These slots routinely get caught on those lever-style door handles. If you're lucky, the lab coat rips. If you're not, whatever you're carrying goes flying across the hallway and dissolves the emergency eyewash station along with the guy from Safety who was inspecting them. That's why we only wear them when the Safety guy is around—or when talking to the press.)

 

[Goddess]

And here's a tip for those who like to Google a rebuttal to lots of things - what you see on the first page of Google is 99% of the time what they WANT you to see, according to the narrative.  You have to go back a few pages to find out what the debate is really about and to get a complete picture of what scientists are up against when it comes to China and transparency.

Edited December 6, 2022 by Goddess

[Goddess]

It's the location of the furin cleavage site in the covid virus that is suspicious.  It's located in the exact right spot to increase transmissibility to multiple species of mammals and also to increase pathologicality.  <---  I know that's not the right word but I can't think of the right one right now and I think you get what I'm saying.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Goddess said:

It's the location of the furin cleavage site in the covid virus that is suspicious.  It's located in the exact right spot to increase transmissibility to multiple species of mammals and also to increase pathologicality.  <---  I know that's not the right word but I can't think of the right one right now and I think you get what I'm saying.

It's really not unusual nor suspicious that a virus that mutates at the most contagious efficient  location becomes widespread and well known for it's increased pathology.

[Goddess]

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

It's really not unusual nor suspicious that a virus that mutates at the most contagious efficient  location becomes widespread and well known for it's increased pathology.

Well, virologists say this one is unusual and I provided links that say so and say why, so.......

[Contrarian]

I don't understand this logic: 

Elon Musk kicks out "Ye" which the video was posted on this thread. David Duke of the KKK is banned too, no? I don't think he was allowed back. 

and now CNN runs an article which is trending: "Elon Musk's Twitter is helping to normalize a neo-Nazi". 

This might be happening: 

CNN needs relevance, they sucked their ratings $ from Trump, they are from the same category as him as far as I am concerned. Chasing ratings. 

So now, because Trump has gone cu-cu, having dinners with white supremacists, his chances are very low to win.  

CNN needs to refocus to make bread, this one (Musk) might not be as controversial as Trump, but let's make him a "nazi" creator. 

Anyone wants to defend CNN as per the above?

Edited December 6, 2022 by Contrarian

[Hodad]

21 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I don't understand this logic: 

Elon Musk kicks out "Ye" which the video was posted on this thread. David Duke of the KKK is banned too, no? I don't think he was allowed back. 

and now CNN runs an article which is trending: "Elon Musk's Twitter is helping to normalize a neo-Nazi". 

I know what is happening: 

CNN needs relevance, they sucked their ratings $ from Trump, they are from the same category as him as far as I am concerned. Chasing ratings. 

So now, because Trump has gone cu-cu, having dinners with white supremacists, his chances are very low to win.  

CNN needs to refocus to make bread, this one (Musk) might not be as controversial as Trump, but let's make him a "nazi" creator. 

Anyone wants to defend CNN as per the above? I want to listen to a manifesto. 

I read that article yesterday. Did you read it? It's not about Kanye. It's about the literal neo-nazi who runs the Daily Stormer. A guy whose vile, hateful, evil propaganda has been linked to multiple murders. 

Why would you lend that guy your megaphone? Is there any justification for letting someone like that back on the platform? Should Twitter be helping him spread his message? 

IMO, this is not about musk being a Nazi sympathizer, but about how his approach to running Twitter is bad for society and bad for the business. A valid criticism.

[Contrarian]

20 minutes ago, Hodad said:

I read that article yesterday. Did you read it?

- I did not read the article, just the title. 

- No, Twitter should not give a guy like that a platform, eventually that megaphone will be taken away. 

- Short term damages, as if the previous leadership did not "divide society".  

- Emotional talk, you can't judge a coach by his first couple of games. Time is needed to see the final product. 

- My view is: this thing is like fish, one extends the net to give the impression that everyone is welcome back and then slowly you sort. 

- Between Musk which is a non-ideological fanatic and the people that used words such as "handled", I will give credit to Musk, for now. 

- As I said in my first post, his main issue will be to not fall in any group. I highly doubt it though, people that achieve things don't normally go with any herd.  They just travel temporarily towards a bigger goal. 

Edited December 6, 2022 by Contrarian

[Aristides]

14 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

- I did not read the article, just the title. 

- No, Twitter should not give a guy like that a platform, eventually that megaphone will be taken away. 

- Short term damages, as if the previous leadership did not "divide society".  

- Emotional talk, you can't judge a coach by his first couple of games. Time is needed to see the final product. 

- My view is: this thing is like fish, one extends the net to give the impression that everyone is welcome back and then slowly you sort. 

- Between Musk which is a non-ideological fanatic and the people that used words such as "handled", I will give credit to Musk, for now. 

- As I said in my first post, his main issue will be to not fall in any group. I highly doubt it though, people that achieve things don't normally go with any herd.  They just travel temporarily towards a bigger goal. 

The whole thing about Twitter is not Musk or Twitter, it’s the people who use it. Whether Twitter fails or succeeds as a business, how much carnage will It wreak in society while Musk fumbles around finding out?

[Contrarian]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 how much carnage will It wreak in society while Musk fumbles around finding out?

How much carnage? Twitter under the previous leadership -> Donald Trump elected. 

Of course now is a bit of chaos. When power structures changes in the ship, there is agitation. 

Edited December 6, 2022 by Contrarian

[Rebound]

21 hours ago, Contrarian said:

- I did not read the article, just the title. 

- No, Twitter should not give a guy like that a platform, eventually that megaphone will be taken away. 

- Short term damages, as if the previous leadership did not "divide society".  

- Emotional talk, you can't judge a coach by his first couple of games. Time is needed to see the final product. 

- My view is: this thing is like fish, one extends the net to give the impression that everyone is welcome back and then slowly you sort. 

- Between Musk which is a non-ideological fanatic and the people that used words such as "handled", I will give credit to Musk, for now. 

- As I said in my first post, his main issue will be to not fall in any group. I highly doubt it though, people that achieve things don't normally go with any herd.  They just travel temporarily towards a bigger goal. 

How would you moderate such a service?

Would you allow people to threaten others?

Would you allow people to support Nazism?

Would you allow people to promote illegal activity? 
 

There is no absolutely perfect way to moderate free speech. Sometimes you will permit what should not be permitted and other times you will block what should be permitted.  Especially when posts number in the millions.  

[Contrarian]

30 minutes ago, Rebound said:

How would you moderate such a service?

Would you allow people to threaten others?

Would you allow people to support Nazism?

Would you allow people to promote illegal activity? 
 

There is no absolutely perfect way to moderate free speech. Sometimes you will permit what should not be permitted and other times you will block what should be permitted.  Especially when posts number in the millions.  

The left wing charged emotional questions do not work with me. This -> and using the Jewish people struggles to push political points. That works for "yes men" in other threads.  

I find it quite hypocritical both the left and right use the Jewish people as a shield for their own points to push.

One side, your side says that Nazis are next door (disregarding the great work which the FBI does) and you are there to protect them, the other side says they are here to protect the Jewish people too, from Islamic extremism.

Some from the right use this tactic towards Representative Omar instead of facing their own bigotry. 

So both sides, the left and right are "protectors" of the Jewish people. 

Please. The amount of propaganda that was at Twitter before Musk took over, in my opinion they had moderators that were emotional beings justifying their actions like you are.

What happens when you start aiming the "guns" at people that were simple in the middle? or people that are moderate? Some of those people go underground and that is how real extremism flourish. 

I take a different approach. I think is time a force in the middle speaks up, conversation first however if this McCarthyism keeps up on both sides -> maybe is time for centrism to adopt a more decisive voice and start acting like MSNBC and Fox News.

No more reason: just a few lines of propaganda. At 6 am towards the left and at 7 am towards the right. Then the next day we switch the time slots. With the level of discussion in society at this time, I think a centrist populist movement would have success. 

Musk has 1 year credit from me, depends on what he will do. PayPal, do you know that product, SpaceX, Tesla, etc?

At this time, I trust Musk better than "handled" . 

Edited December 7, 2022 by Contrarian

[Rebound]

11 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

The left wing charged emotional questions do not work with me. This -> and using the Jewish people struggles to push political points. That works for "yes men" in other threads.  

I find it quite hypocritical both the left and right use the Jewish people as a shield for their own points to push.

One side, your side says that Nazis are next door (disregarding the great work which the FBI does) and you are there to protect them, the other side say they are here to protect the Jewish people from Islamic extremism. Some from the right use this tactic too towards Representative Omar instead of facing their own bigotry. 

So both sides, the left and right are "protectors" of the Jewish people. 

Please. The amount of propaganda that was at Twitter before Musk took over, in my opinion they had moderators that were emotional beings justifying their actions like you are.

What happens when you start aiming the "guns" at people that were simple in the middle? or people that are moderate? Some of those people go underground and that is how real extremism flourish. 

I take a different approach. I think is time a force in the middle speaks up, conversation first however if this McCarthyism keeps up on both sides -> maybe is time for the center to adopt a more decisive voice and start acting like MSNBC and Fox News. No more reason, just a few lines of propaganda. At 6 am towards the left and at 7 am towards the right. Then the next day we switch the time slots. With the level of discussion in society at this time, I think a centrist populist movement would have success. 

Musk has 1 year credit from me, depends on what he will do. PayPal, do you know that product? At this time, I trust Musk better than "handled" . 

First, I don’t think you’re listening to me and you’re just talking past me. 
Second, it is very offensive to me personally that you casually dismiss Nazism like that.  That piece of sh!t in Florida had dinner with a damn Nazi and somebody ought to kick his teeth in for it. It’s not a left wing or right wing issue, and if you think that “moderate” voices should just let Nazis do and say whatever they feel like, you are no friend of mine. 
The most conservative US Senator of all time was arguably Strom Thurmond, who ran for President on a segregationist ticket. But he also spoke on the Senate floor about his personal experience of liberating a concentration camp after WW II.  
 

I chose Nazism as an example because I assumed that every person with any humanity would agree that it is an evil thing to round people up and murder them because of their race or religion. I cannot imagine anything less controversial on this Earth.

Edited December 7, 2022 by Rebound

[Contrarian]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

First, I don’t think you’re listening to me and you’re just talking past me. 
Second, it is very offensive to me personally that you casually dismiss Nazism like that.  That piece of sh!t in Florida had dinner with a damn Nazi and somebody ought to kick his teeth in for it. It’s not a left wing or right wing issue, and if you think that “moderate” voices should just let Nazis do and say whatever they feel like, you are no friend of mine. 

Alright let's not talk about Jewish people anymore and struggles with real practical extremism (directly or indirectly), because I risk losing my temper for personal reasons too and then we will have a show here. Defenders you hear this, this is what the right says too, I gave you the Omar example above. Knights. 

You are picking up the microscope like every populist to gain upper hand in my view. I never said "moderate" voices should just allow fascists to talk. "Ye" went away in the bin of history, many more to follow. 

I meant that the climate was on Twitter during the previous leadership (which got Trump elected btw) was as such when the 2 herds locked horns, you took no prisoners when it came to real moderates, libertarians, etc. 

Is one of the reasons that I got involved myself in political talk, before used to just listen and laugh.Don't have the education for it, but what are you selling really, all you activists on both sides?Just some verbal tactics to gain followers and everyone that does not sing your way is a target?

Understand the party might be over now, is perfectly normal to feel frustrated. Musk is different, still have to work more on the scripts against him. 

One more time for you and the people that disrespect the federal agencies which keep your system sane:

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence

The FBI are the real anti-nazis.

Edited December 7, 2022 by Contrarian

[Contrarian]

“Elon is it true that Twitter is set to increase the characters from 280 to 4000?” asked user Allan Obare.

“Yes,” Musk responded.

No other details, Musk is like Sun Tzu sometimes, stealthy. 😄 

This might increase conversation level instead of the low attention span show that is happening now.

Every single comment that Musk makes there are users posting superhero pictures of Elon Musk. Is disturbing really this ability to turn man into some sort of guru.

Yes, i support him but to create wallpapers for a man or ask him for money via Twitter is lunacy behaviour. 

So hopefully he makes another rule to give priority to lengthy comments too instead of the 1 picture comments which remind me of propaganda campaigns in some regions.  

[CrakHoBarbie]

29 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

 

Every single comment that Musk makes there are users posting superhero pictures of Elon Musk. Is disturbing really this ability to turn man into some sort of guru.

 

Well, alt-right conservatives love them some billionaire. 

[Contrarian]

Most of the media is leading a campaign today against Musk about him being booed on stage in California. Some news titles are too embarrassing to read. 

Maybe this is a tactic of factions of the media. Maybe the reason they are doing all this so they can make jealous Trump.

Trump not being able to stand how much attention Musk gets daily -> is like every sneeze that Musk has: the media is there, and if the media is not there: their soldiers are there.

Donald, with his narcissism won't be able to resist much longer in my opinion. My prediction is that the "man of the people" from New York will return to Twitter by the holidays. 

Edited December 12, 2022 by Contrarian

[Contrarian]

 Jack Dorsey apologies for his Twitter moderation choices, saying he did the 'wrong thing for the internet and society' despite calling his decisions the 'right thing'  😄 at the time. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/jack-dorsey-twitter-wrong-thing-for-the-internet-and-society-2022-12

sure Jack. 

Here is the bottom line:

He ruled society, got surrounded by activists, especially left wing activists. 

Now he lost the power, the business is almost bankrupt because of his choices, sure you banned Trump after your platform made him President by polarising people via anger and low attention span. 

Move along Jack, you and the other emotional beings that thought power is unlimited. Now, some are crying to the media that is not fair the public exposure that they get. Is absolutely fair. Is karma.

Next time when you and your soldiers have power again in a different company, should be cautious on how to use power when one has power. The bill always comes to be paid, regardless of ideology. 

Edited December 14, 2022 by Contrarian

[Goddess]

On 12/6/2022 at 8:22 AM, Aristides said:

The whole thing about Twitter is not Musk or Twitter, it’s the people who use it. Whether Twitter fails or succeeds as a business, how much carnage will It wreak in society while Musk fumbles around finding out?

Pre-Musk, Twitter was banning doctors and scientists left and right but allowing child porn and pedophiles free reign......

Musk has teamed up with a survivor of child sex trafficking and cleaning that up on Twitter.

A lot of the censored doctors and scientists are back now.

I'm not seeing "carnage".

[Aristides]

Now he is giving Nazis, white supremists and antisemites free reign.

[Contrarian]

Trending: 

Twitter suspends ElonJet account that tracks Elon Musk's private jet:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/14/twitter-suspends-elonjet-account-that-tracks-elon-musks-private-jet-.html

Edited December 14, 2022 by Contrarian

[Aristides]

Apparently it is still on his Instagram account. Does that mean Musk will try and buy out Zuckerberg next?

[Aristides]

More Musk magic, he becomes more like Trump every day.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/now/twitter-stopped-paying-office-rent-051634280.html

[Rebound]

On 12/6/2022 at 8:44 AM, Goddess said:

Well, virologists say this one is unusual and I provided links that say so and say why, so.......

But of course Covid is unusual. Viruses mutate and multiply all the time. Trillions of trillions of trillions of time.  So a random mutation produced a Covid virus which rapidly spread across the entire human race and killed millions of host humans. 
 

Here’s the thing: When you WANT a conspiracy theory to be true, you can make it seem true. But conspiracy theories are never, ever provable. The most likely explanation is random mutation. The most likely explanation for the collapse of World Trade Center is that two jets smashed into the buildings. And so on and so on. 

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, Contrarian said:

 Jack Dorsey apologies for his Twitter moderation choices, saying he did the 'wrong thing for the internet and society' despite calling his decisions the 'right thing'  😄 at the time. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/jack-dorsey-twitter-wrong-thing-for-the-internet-and-society-2022-12

sure Jack. 

Here is the bottom line:

He ruled society, got surrounded by activists, especially left wing activists. 

Now he lost the power, the business is almost bankrupt because of his choices, sure you banned Trump after your platform made him President by polarising people via anger and low attention span. 

Move along Jack, you and the other emotional beings that thought power is unlimited. Now, some are crying to the media that is not fair the public exposure that they get. Is absolutely fair. Is karma.

Next time when you and your soldiers have power again in a different company, should be cautious on how to use power when one has power. The bill always comes to be paid, regardless of ideology. 

You got ANY evidence Twitter was nearing bankruptcy BEFORE Musk got involved?

Or do you mean "his choices" to sell to Musk? LMAO