The Elon Musk Movement = )

[Goddess]

“Once a government commits to the principle of silencing opposition, it has only one way to go, and that’s down the path of increasingly repressive measures until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens” - Harry Truman

[Goddess]

Wuhan scientist claims Covid was man-made virus | Herald Sun

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EcoHealth Alliance had been studying different coronaviruses in bats for more than ten years with funding from the National Institutes of Health and developed close working ties with the Wuhan lab.

Dr Huff, who worked at EcoHealth Alliance from 2014 to 2016 and served as vice president from 2015, worked on the classified side of the research program as a US government scientist.

The army veteran, from Michigan, said the organisation taught the Wuhan lab the “best existing methods to engineer bat coronaviruses to attack other species” for many years.

And he claimed “China knew from day one that this was a genetically engineered agent”.

“The US government is to blame for the transfer of dangerous biotechnology to the Chinese,” he said.

“I was terrified by what I saw. We were just handing them bioweapon technology.”

Former intelligence chiefs and diplomats have already claimed Covid was leaked from a Wuhan lab in the “cover-up of the century”.

 

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But in 2014, Dr Huff was asked to review a funding proposal which revealed that gain of function work was being carried out to create SARS-CoV-2 - which causes Covid.

Gain of function work sees viruses souped up to more easily infect humans to help researchers test scientific theories, develop new technologies and find treatments for infectious diseases.

But the risky research method can pose safety and security concerns - and it’s banned in many countries.

 

 

[Contrarian]

In regards to Elon Musk, this is one that is trending now (both left and right sources):

Elon Musk said Apple Inc. has “fully resumed” advertising on Twitter Inc., further de-escalating a brewing war between two of the world’s most influential tech companies. 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-04/apple-aapl-has-fully-resumed-advertising-on-twitter-elon-musk-says

Edited December 4, 2022 by Contrarian

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Again, your contention cannot be verified at this time. Stop trying to sell gossip as gospel. It's dishonest.

My contention is perfectly legitimate by any reasonable standard.

Now think about this, I'm a random, anonymous guy (or maybe girl, non-binary, who knows?) on the internet and you're holding me to a far higher standard than you did The WHO, Fauci, Biden, Twitter, FB and Trudeau. 

Doesn't that make you quite the hypocrite?

I never saw your crusade against fake science when those guys all just said "WETMARKET!!!! EVERYONE SAY WETMARKET OR YOU'RE A SOCIAL PARIAH!!!!" based on nothing more than China's opinion, even after they blocked investigations at ground zero? (in Fauci's case, he had to have know where this virus came from long before any of us ever even heard the word 'covid', but for the sake of this argument I'll let that slide)

Why is it more offensive to you when a random internet guy makes a declarative statement that's 99.99% likely to be true than it was when The WHO, Fauci, Biden, Twitter, FB and Trudeau made a declarative statement that was only 5% likely to be true and then ostracized/censured people (or allowed tech giants to do so) for even talking about an alternative which was far more likely? 

Honestly, who's guilty of disinformation CrakHoBarbie?

Am I in a higher position of authority than they are? Do more people trust me? Do more people have good reason to trust me? (It's a resounding YES to that last one).

[CrakHoBarbie]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

My contention is perfectly legitimate by any reasonable standard.

Now think about this, I'm a random, anonymous guy (or maybe girl, non-binary, who knows?) on the internet and you're holding me to a far higher standard than you did The WHO, Fauci, Biden, Twitter, FB and Trudeau. 

Doesn't that make you quite the hypocrite?

I never saw your crusade against fake science when those guys all just said "WETMARKET!!!! EVERYONE SAY WETMARKET OR YOU'RE A SOCIAL PARIAH!!!!" based on nothing more than China's opinion, even after they blocked investigations at ground zero? (in Fauci's case, he had to have know where this virus came from long before any of us ever even heard the word 'covid', but for the sake of this argument I'll let that slide)

Why is it more offensive to you when a random internet guy makes a declarative statement that's 99.99% likely to be true than it was when The WHO, Fauci, Biden, Twitter, FB and Trudeau made a declarative statement that was only 5% likely to be true and then ostracized/censured people (or allowed tech giants to do so) for even talking about an alternative which was far more likely? 

Honestly, who's guilty of disinformation CrakHoBarbie?

Am I in a higher position of authority than they are? Do more people trust me? Do more people have good reason to trust me? (It's a resounding YES to that last one).

Extremely stubborn and I might add, a bold decision on your part..... to demand something is verified, when clearly, it's not.  Kudos to you for being able to ignore reality so effectively.

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Extremely stubborn and I might add, a bold decision on your part..... to demand something is verified, when clearly, it's not.  Kudos to you for being able to ignore reality so effectively.

It's absolutely verified to within a 1/1,000th of a percent, but saying "China did it" is a pretty hefty accusation without evidence that it came from their lab. The only other possibility at this point is that it came from another lab somewhere else and was released in Wuhan. 

The virus came from a lab. If at any point in the future 'science' claims to have found evidence to prove the contrary, 'science' is lying to you again. 

Absolutely everything possible has been done to verify this (short of declaring war on China so that foreign scientists can gain access to the Wuhan lab) and every shred of forensic and scientific evidence points exactly the same way.

They examined thousands of animal species and humans and found not even one example of covid existing in the wild. 

Furtermore, there has never been a single example of a naturally occurring virus with a Furin site in it in the whole history of virology.

No one knew about the existence of the Furin site in the covid virus when the initial claim of "wetmarket" was made, or it would have been shouted down instantly. At this point, finding a finding a Ferrari in some igneous rock would be more likely than that the virus came from bats in the wild. 

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, robosmith said:

Let us know when your Fox News article passes PEER REVIEW by SCIENTISTS who (unlike you) are actually EXPERTS IN THAT FIELD. Like Lancet papers do ROUTINELY.

You seem to have erroneously mistaken YOUR DISDAIN for Lancet as meaning it is NOT well respected by actual SCEINTISTS in that FIELD.

Maybe you can find some VALID EXPERT OPINIONS to back up YOUR AMATEUR JUDGEMENT, but I doubt it.

The Lancet has a history of making declarative claims and then having to retract them in the era of covid. They're not a legitimate source. 

Your ad hominem attack on the scientific information I posted is duly noted.

If you doubted that there was a Furin site on the virus you could have just looked. There's more than enough science on the internet to back that contention: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-021-00908-w

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7457603/ (National Center for Biotechnology Information)

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SARS-CoV-2 has resulted in a global pandemic and shutdown economies around the world. Sequence analysis indicates that the novel coronavirus (CoV) has an insertion of a furin cleavage site (PRRAR) in its spike protein.

 

[Hodad]

8 hours ago, Goddess said:

Did you even read the text string?

In tweet #8 - "More to review from the BIDEN TEAM"

Answer:  "Handled."

I understand you likely don't think it was "coerced" because you also don't view something like "Take this jab or lose your job, healthcare and ability to buy groceries" as coercion.

Yes, I read it. Are you aware that Joe Biden was a private citizen, not "the government"?

Did you also read that similar requests were made and handled by the a Trump campaign?

And what coercion are you alleging on the part of either campaign?

[Contrarian]

This is what is trending this morning in terms of Musk: 😅

Kanye West calls Twitter chief Elon Musk a ‘half-Chinese’ clone engineered ‘like Obama’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/kanye-west-elon-musk-half-chinese-clone-b2238841.html

---> Musk says he is taking West’s comment as a ‘compliment’.

[Hodad]

On 12/3/2022 at 7:32 PM, WestCanMan said:

Reasonable people are beyond the point of taking the animal theory seriously.

You are clearly in no position to speak on behalf of reasonable people.

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It's not a non-scientific opinion. The opinions arrived at there are entirely scientific and based on a lot of scientific investigations. 

That's cold. You cite her article then dismiss her understanding of her own article, tossing her into the bin on unreasonable people. Maybe you shouldn't have cited her article. Surely the kooky corners of the internet have plenty of pages that feature 10 things a retired physicist said about the origin of COVID-19?

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Why are you talking about logic?

Because it's pretty damn funny that you would cite as proof of your claim an article that disagrees with your claim. Logic!

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Aside from Fauci's opinion, which is arguably the largest conflict of interest in the world, there's the gov't of China's opinion, and the Lancet's intensely scientific suggestion that "Uhhhh, most new viruses came from animals before our labs started tinkering with them, so yeah let's put all of our focus on that one tidbit of info."

There are ten really good reasons why covid almost had to come from a lab and you can't talk about a single one of them.

 1) The Lancet is not well-respected

Oh, I'm sure The Lancet will be crushed to lose your endorsement. Meanwhile, back in reality...

#1 most respected from Research.com

#3 most influential in a quantitative study National Library of Medicine

#6 SJR Scopus CiteScore

Etc. Etc. Etc.

 

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1) No one has found a single animal with the covid virus. No one, ever.

You mean, except for all the animal cases that have been identified?🤪

"COVID-19 Found in 29 Types of Animals, Scientists Say"

CDC: "Animals reported infected worldwide include

• Companion animals, including pet cats, dogs, hamsters, and ferrets.
• Animals in zoos and sanctuaries, including several types of big cats (e.g., lions, tigers, snow leopards), otters, non-human primates, a binturong, a coatimundi, a fishing cat, hyenas, hippopotamuses, and manatees.
• Mink on mink farms.
• Wildlife, including white-tailed deer, mule deer, a black-tailed marmoset, a giant anteater, and wild mink near mink farms."

 

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3) There's a Furin cleavage site on the covid virus, which is a common feature of viruses that were created in a lab, and which has never been found on a virus in nature. 

This point alone renders The Lancet's opinion completely worthless... They said that "Viruses usually come from the wild" but viruses with the Furin site have never been found in the wild. 0 in all of recorded history....

You mean, except those Furin cleavage sites that occur naturally in coronaviruses? 

Stem Cell Research: Furin cleavage sites naturally occur in coronaviruses

PNAS: SARS-CoV-2 furin cleavage site was not engineered

Front Microbiol

"Thus, we have examined the global epidemiology and evolutionary history of SARS-CoV-2 and 248 other CoVs with 86 diversified furin cleavage sites that have been detected in 24 animal hosts in 28 countries since 1954. Besides MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2, two of five other CoVs known to infect humans (HCoV-OC43 and HCoV-HKU1) also have furin cleavage sites. In addition, human enteric coronavirus (HECV-4408) has a furin cleavage site and has been detected in humans (first in Germany in 1988), probably via spillover events from bovine sources."

 

 

How about we end this charade? It's nonsense for you to throw out 10 claims made by some random guy -- not even a virologist or biologist or adjacent researcher--and then go around beating your chest like you've discovered the legendary Fountain of Facts. It's not my job to go around debunking all the random crap you can throw at a wall. It should be your job to cite legitimate sources and validate your own claims, which are clearly pure garbage. How about you pack up your bindle sack of crap and carry it back to some other thread, instead of hijacking YET ANOTHER with your COVID conspiracies? 

 

[WestCanMan]

14 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You are clearly in no position to speak on behalf of reasonable people.

Yes, I am as a matter of fact.

I'm the one here who can always bring facts to the table, while you're peddling ad hominem attacks and snotty insults.

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That's cold. You cite her article then dismiss her understanding of her own article, tossing her into the bin on unreasonable people. Maybe you shouldn't have cited her article. Surely the kooky corners of the internet have plenty of pages that feature 10 things a retired physicist said about the origin of COVID-19?

That's just blather.

Stop trying to pretend that you don't need to address the items on that list. Do you need to see them from another source? Are you honestly going to try to pretend that no one else has ever said those things? Did she just make up the part about the Furin site?

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Because it's pretty damn funny that you would cite as proof of your claim an article that disagrees with your claim. Logic!

That's precious, kinda like a baby bunny wabbit, and with just as much intelligence and knowledge of science.

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Oh, I'm sure The Lancet will be crushed to lose your endorsement. Meanwhile, back in reality...

Mine?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/05/lancet-had-to-do-one-of-the-biggest-retractions-in-modern-history-how-could-this-happen

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The Lancet has made one of the biggest retractions in modern history. How could this happen?

They are what they are.

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You mean, except for all the animal cases that have been identified?🤪

"COVID-19 Found in 29 Types of Animals, Scientists Say"

CDC: "Animals reported infected worldwide include

• Companion animals, including pet cats, dogs, hamsters, and ferrets.
• Animals in zoos and sanctuaries, including several types of big cats (e.g., lions, tigers, snow leopards), otters, non-human primates, a binturong, a coatimundi, a fishing cat, hyenas, hippopotamuses, and manatees.
• Mink on mink farms.
• Wildlife, including white-tailed deer, mule deer, a black-tailed marmoset, a giant anteater, and wild mink near mink farms."

I said in nature, where it theoretically came from.

Now that a Furin site was spliced into the virus it's getting into everything that's in close contact with humans.

Did the bat virus from Chinese caves get into white-tailed deer before the Furin site was spliced in there? No.

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You mean, except those Furin cleavage sites that occur naturally in coronaviruses? 

Stem Cell Research: Furin cleavage sites naturally occur in coronaviruses

Thank you YiranWu^a  and SuwenZhao^ab for that insightful article.  

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PNAS: SARS-CoV-2 furin cleavage site was not engineered

https://theintercept.com/2021/09/09/covid-origins-gain-of-function-research/

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DOCUMENTS OBTAINED BY The Intercept contain new evidence that the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the nearby Wuhan University Center for Animal Experiment, along with their collaborator, the U.S.-based nonprofit EcoHealth Alliance, have engaged in what the U.S. government defines as “gain-of-function research of concern,” intentionally making viruses more pathogenic or transmissible in order to study them, despite stipulations from a U.S. funding agency that the money not be used for that purpose.

From the same article:

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U.S.-funded experiment in China posed biosafety risks but did not cause Covid-19 pandemic, scientists say.

The Wuhan lab was doing gain-of-function research on the virus, people from the lab were the earliest infected, there was already a lab leak of a dangerous virus in China, the Chinese gov't is refusing to let any investigations be done, and this virus was still never fund anywhere in the wild. 

Weird how they can be so certain it didn't come from the lab, despite never, ever investigating there. Hmmmmm.

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How about we end this charade? It's nonsense

....that the lab leak theory was so quickly and widely attacked by all of the exact same people who lied so many times about the vaccine and about any other possible treatments. 

You're the biggest liar here, you refuse to even do basic math from the Gov't of Canada's own website. Don't act like you're in a position to decide what's nonsense. LMAO. 

[Hodad]

28 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Yes, I am as a matter of fact.

I'm the one here who can always bring facts to the table, while you're peddling ad hominem attacks and snotty insults.

That's just blather.

Stop trying to pretend that you don't need to address the items on that list. Do you need to see them from another source? Are you honestly going to try to pretend that no one else has ever said those things? Did she just make up the part about the Furin site?

That's precious, kinda like a baby bunny wabbit, and with just as much intelligence and knowledge of science.

Mine?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/05/lancet-had-to-do-one-of-the-biggest-retractions-in-modern-history-how-could-this-happen

They are what they are.

I said in nature, where it theoretically came from.

Now that a Furin site was spliced into the virus it's getting into everything that's in close contact with humans.

Did the bat virus from Chinese caves get into white-tailed deer before the Furin site was spliced in there? No.

Thank you YiranWu^a  and SuwenZhao^ab for that insightful article.  

https://theintercept.com/2021/09/09/covid-origins-gain-of-function-research/

From the same article:

The Wuhan lab was doing gain-of-function research on the virus, people from the lab were the earliest infected, there was already a lab leak of a dangerous virus in China, the Chinese gov't is refusing to let any investigations be done, and this virus was still never fund anywhere in the wild. 

Weird how they can be so certain it didn't come from the lab, despite never, ever investigating there. Hmmmmm.

....that the lab leak theory was so quickly and widely attacked by all of the exact same people who lied so many times about the vaccine and about any other possible treatments. 

You're the biggest liar here, you refuse to even do basic math from the Gov't of Canada's own website. Don't act like you're in a position to decide what's nonsense. LMAO. 

Oh, good. As usual, you've entirely glossed over the fact that you were demonstrably incorrect on every point there. An honest person would say learn and say "Holy crap, I guess I shouldn't post those non-facts anymore." You though, as always, just pretend it never happened. Just keep bleating out the same refrain, unchastened. Does that usually work out for you? Like a fart in an elevator, perhaps no one else will notice?🙏

(But guess what, they notice.)

[CrakHoBarbie]

On 12/4/2022 at 11:17 AM, WestCanMan said:

 

Why is it more offensive to you when a random internet guy makes a declarative statement that's 99.99% likely to be true 

I'm not offended.  When it's been proven 100% then you can come back and make a definitive statement. 

[robosmith]

On 12/4/2022 at 11:51 AM, WestCanMan said:

The Lancet has a history of making declarative claims and then having to retract them in the era of covid. They're not a legitimate source. 

Your ad hominem attack on the scientific information I posted is duly noted.

ad hominem is literally attack on the MAN, NOT on "scientific" information.

On 12/4/2022 at 11:51 AM, WestCanMan said:

If you doubted that there was a Furin site on the virus you could have just looked. There's more than enough science on the internet to back that contention: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-021-00908-w

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7457603/ (National Center for Biotechnology Information)

 

From your cite above, there is nothing UNUSUAL about Furin cleavage site in a Corona virus:

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Presence of a furin CS at the S1/S2 junction is not uncommon in human coronaviruses; while half of human seasonal coronaviruses as well as MERS-CoV contain furin CSs, the remaining strains and SARS-CoV do not^6,16. Thus, furin-mediated cleavage of spike is not an absolute requirement for efficient human respiratory transmission.

 

[WestCanMan]

9 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Oh, good. As usual, you've entirely glossed over the fact that you were demonstrably incorrect on every point there. An honest person would say learn and say "Holy crap, I guess I shouldn't post those non-facts anymore." You though, as always, just pretend it never happened. Just keep bleating out the same refrain, unchastened. Does that usually work out for you? Like a fart in an elevator, perhaps no one else will notice?🙏

(But guess what, they notice.)

You didn't even talk about every point there, and you were wrong when you did, but thanks for at least trying.

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

I'm not offended.  When it's been proven 100% then you can come back and make a definitive statement. 

You're not offended that China's explanation was instantly glommed onto, even when they refused to allow any investigations from outside parties who were grievously affected by the virus. You're just offended that I gave an opinion that is almost guaranteed to be correct after years of scientific research failed to find evidence of the crazy batshit theory. 

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

ad hominem is literally attack on the MAN, NOT on "scientific" information.

Exactly - he doesn't address the info, just the person who was quoted in the article.

Thanks for at least having a minimalist understanding.

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From your cite above, there is nothing UNUSUAL about Furin cleavage site in a Corona virus:

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SARS-CoV-2 has resulted in a global pandemic and shutdown economies around the world. Sequence analysis indicates that the novel coronavirus (CoV) has an insertion of a furin cleavage site (PRRAR) in its spike protein.

 

[Hodad]

10 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You didn't even talk about every point there, and you were wrong when you did, but thanks for at least trying.

That's nervy, after you were unquestionably wrong on over and over again on the most salient points. Your smoking gun was shooting blanks, so why would I keep going? How much time should I invest in doing the homework you should have done before telling the world that you've cracked the case of the origin of the virus? 

As always, instead of ingesting the information and adapting your thinking, you'll deny till you die. Ridiculous.

[CrakHoBarbie]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

. You're just offended that I gave an opinion 

I'm not offended at all. I find it rather absurd that you're so dramatically attempting to prove your "opinion" has been verified. But, you got it right in the sentence above. All it is, at this time, is your opinion. 

[WestCanMan]

26 minutes ago, Hodad said:

That's nervy, after you were unquestionably wrong on over and over again on the most salient points. Your smoking gun was shooting blanks, so why would I keep going? How much time should I invest in doing the homework you should have done before telling the world that you've cracked the case of the origin of the virus? 

As always, instead of ingesting the information and adapting your thinking, you'll deny till you die. Ridiculous.

OMG, address the salient points then maybe?

Honest to god, this is so like the covid deaths by vax thread it's unreal.

In that thread you ignore the fact that 86% of covid deaths are among the vaxed, and the fact that covid deaths didn't go down by even 1% after the vax rollout, to focus on some obscure back-room stat about the number of infections among the vaxed/unvaxed, and in this thread you're also ignoring the elephants in the room to focus on generic, trivial observations. 

No one found any bats or any other animals in China with that virus. And not for a lack of searching. They searched 80,000 animals from 209 different species. Suddenly after the outbreak of covid it's in (according to you link) big cats, ferrets, dogs, mink, house cats, deer, anteaters and other animals I never even heard of. It went from nowhere on earth to ubiquitous., and yet you maintain it was out in the wild this whole time....

And scientists didn't exactly search the Gobi desert for fish species either, they started looking in the most obvious place to find the disease. It just wasn't there. It didn't appear in one of China's other 2,000 wetmarkets either, or any of the other 400 wetmarkets which sell exotic species... it just magically appeared in the one wetmarket that's conveniently located right beside the Wuhan Coronavirus Lab, and in the scientists there. What an unfortunate coincidence, hey? 1/2,000? 1/400? And some of the very first people infected, if not THE first people infected, were from that lab, in that country with over 1 billion people. Massive coincidences abound.

What are the Chances that the people who do research on bats all day went down to the wetmarket to munch on some bats in the first place? 

If they know so much about coronaviruses, and how transmissible they are, and what bats they come from, why would they buy those bats in a wetmarket and bring them home and place them right on their own countertops? 

The lab was doing gain of function research on that specific virus. The people who are saying that it never came from there, like Fauci, have a vested interest in making you believe it didn't come from there. 

If money that you approved went into a lab that was doing research that was not allowed, and the virus broke loose, would you A: Fess up and say "I funded the virus that broke loose and killed millions of people, or B: go along with the gov't of China's story, that it came from one of China's 2,000 wetmarkets, which just happens to be right beside the coronavirus lab? 

Your crazy bat shit theory is batshit crazy. 

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

I'm not offended at all. I find it rather absurd that you're so dramatically attempting to prove your "opinion" has been verified. But, you got it right in the sentence above. All it is, at this time, is your opinion. 

Sure. Just realize that my opinion is like a fact that's carved in stone compared to all of the crap you get sucked in by from Fauci, Biden, Trudeau et al. 

You're dismissed, CrakHoBarbie. 

[CrakHoBarbie]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

Sure. Just realize that my opinion is like a fact that's carved in stone compared to all of the crap you get sucked in by from Fauci, Biden, Trudeau et al. 

You're dismissed, CrakHoBarbie. 

Your such an angry fool. Perhaps you should take a few deep breaths and let them out slow. Foul moods, like you appear to have each time I come here, can lead to real health issues. You should take better care of yourself. Do you and @reason10 live in the same nursing home?

[WestCanMan]

11 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Your such an angry fool. Perhaps you should take a few deep breaths and let them out slow. Foul moods, like you appear to have each time I come here, can lead to real health issues. You should take better care of yourself. Do you and @reason10 live in the same nursing home?

I'm a fool, but you're the one who instantly gobbled up the batshit theory from a collection of exposed parties who are all knee deep in conflicts of interest, and who refuses to even consider a far more likely alternative which is deeply rooted in scientific proofs and common sense.

You go ahead and believe that 1/2000 wetmarkets story CrakHoBarbie, and the 1/billion chance that the researchers at that lab were just unlucky to be among the very first infected, and I'll continue to say things that make sense.

Agreed?

[CrakHoBarbie]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

 you're the one who instantly gobbled up the batshit theory from a collection of exposed parties who are all knee deep in conflicts of interest, 

Wrong. I don't know where it came from. Either do you. You're just to much of a stubborn angry fool to accept reality. Your not alone. The "angry buffoon" role is quite prevalent in the MAGA sphere. It's very common ( like you) indeed.

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Wrong. I don't know where it came from. Either do you.

OMG, are you saying that you don't know where the "bat origin" story came from now? Are you serious???????????

Just trust me, it came from a whole bunch of people with enormous conflicts of interest.

If YOU were responsible for funding that lab, and they were doing illegal gain of function research on the virus, and the virus got out and killed a million people, would you say 1) OMG that's the virus I funded or 2) That's an identical virus to the one that I funded in a Chinese lab which existed this whole time but it just got out as we were making our own copy

https://nypost.com/2021/11/04/rand-paul-calls-on-fauci-to-resign-over-gain-of-function-research/

That's Fauci acknowledging that he provided funding for research that made coronaviruses more transmissible. 

Between the virus's outbreak and the time of that testimony, Dr Fauci himself changed the definition of "gain-of-function research" to exclude "increased transmissibility". 

"What's the big deal? We just changed this coronavirus so that it could infect people very easily.... That's not a gain-of-function!" 🤥