The Elon Musk Movement = )

[Hodad]

8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Conservatives aren't fuming over that policy.

We've been angry for a long time that terrorist groups and their religious bigotry always had a home in Twitter even while conservatives were getting kicked off of Twitter just for saying reasonable things like "Maybe the virus came from the BSL4 lab" that turned out to be true.

 

Um, when did that theory get promoted to fact? 

"The acrimonious debate over the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic flared up again this week with a report from an expert panel concluding that SARS-CoV-2 likely spread naturally in a zoonotic jump from an animal to humans—without help from a lab.

“Our paper recognizes that there are different possible origins, but the evidence towards zoonosis is overwhelming,” says co-author Danielle Anderson, a virologist at the University of Melbourne. The report, which includes an analysis that found the peer-reviewed literature overwhelmingly supports the zoonotic hypotheses, appeared in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) on 10 October."

 

[Goddess]

Well.  The Hunter Biden laptop tweets were a fun read. 🙂

[sharkman]

And if Twitter was doing it, then all the rest were doing it.  To save the 2020 election for Biden.  

[Contrarian]

12 hours ago, Contrarian said:

1 hour in, still no tweeting, can you imagine being a lawyer in that room now 😅

14 minutes delay. This is the second delay. 

All Tweets are here: 

https://twitter.com/elonmusk

Now look what CNN is saying as a title (did not click inside the article as I value my mornings): 

Released Twitter emails show how employees debated 😄 how to handle 2020 New York Post Hunter Biden story. 

So the word "handled" means "debating"? 

Oh the lengths people would go to -> so they can justify their side is the moral one. 

Good on Musk, in a few months when power will go to the head of the right -> in my view -> cannons will be turned and then roles will be reserved. You could see a similar title on Fox News justifying their side is the moral one. 

Shake the left, shake the right and then you might get some quality centrists or he destroys the platform.

Anyhow, is his gamble, but is good to watch Newton's third law in action. This is it, the former Twitter leadership thought power is unlimited and then physics acted. Is just the way life is. 

 

Edited December 3, 2022 by Contrarian

[Goddess]

The Twitter Files RE: Hunter Biden's laptop.

The Twitter Files Thread, In A Way More Readable Format (piratewires.com)

If you think you've been told the truth on ANYTHING in the last 3 years, you're delusional.

 

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Ummm...... Citation please.

 

https://nypost.com/2022/10/29/new-report-supports-claim-covid-19-came-from-wuhan-lab/

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Newly released investigative reports from both ProPublica and a Senate committee have drawn the same conclusion over the origins of COVID-19 — that it likely came from a Chinese lab.

The bombshell Friday report from ProPublica, done in collaboration with Vanity Fair, examined and supported findings of the interim report released Thursday by Republicans on the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee that concluded “the COVID-19 pandemic was, more likely than not, the result of a research-related incident.”

There ya go, even Vanity fair said it, so you have no choice but to instantly believe it and start parroting it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/reason-scientists-believe-coronavirus-originated-lab-wuhan-china

There is a comprehensive list of ten sold reasons why the virus came from a lab, and not one person on earth has a valid scientific explanation why it it didn't. The Chinese gov't merely said so, and people like Fauci go along with it in order to avoid accountability. 

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Repeating conspiracy theories and/or saying divisive commentary for profit is only performed by morally and ethically bankrupt trash. 

So stop doing it. Your whole life has been about furthering divisive commentary.

Nothing has ever been said in the past ten years in the US that was as false and racially divisive as "M Brown was a gentle giant", but it was a CNN/Dem mantra, and I know for a fact that everything you hear from them instantly comes back out of your mouth. IE. I know for a fact that you repeated that lie even though you weren't posting here at the time. 

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, Hodad said:

Um, when did that theory get promoted to fact? 

"The acrimonious debate over the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic flared up again this week with a report from an expert panel concluding that SARS-CoV-2 likely spread naturally in a zoonotic jump from an animal to humans—without help from a lab.

“Our paper recognizes that there are different possible origins, but the evidence towards zoonosis is overwhelming,” says co-author Danielle Anderson, a virologist at the University of Melbourne. The report, which includes an analysis that found the peer-reviewed literature overwhelmingly supports the zoonotic hypotheses, appeared in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) on 10 October."

 

Your "study" was just a bunch of generalizations, and included input from the now-discredited Lancet. 

Science, https://www.foxnews.com/politics/reason-scientists-believe-coronavirus-originated-lab-wuhan-china:

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1) No animals have been found to be infected with SARS-CoV-2

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"They tested an unprecedented 80,000 animals covering 209 species, including wild, domestic and market animals … and they found no infections in animals," Muller, the professor emeritus, told Fox News Digital. 

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"They found nothing. But instead of drawing a scientific conclusion from that, the World Health Organization came up with excuses."

The controversial World Health Organization (WHO) study on the origins of COVID-19 says the most likely scenario was a transmission from bats to an unknown host animal to humans, while the lab leak is "extremely unlikely." But even the WHO has backtracked and admitted it was too quick to rule out the lab theory and has revived its investigation.  

In case you missed that, "But even the WHO has backtracked and admitted it was too quick to rule out the lab theory and has revived its investigation."

No doubt they said this so that they can start an investigation with a specific goal in mind, I will be surprised if they don't "find" an infected bat after so many tens of thousands of failures.

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2) No evidence of pre-epidemic infections

During past coronavirus epidemics, such as SARS in 2003 and MERS in 2013, there was evidence of extensive human infection from animals prior to the virus mutating to become transmissible between humans and sparking the pandemic, Muller said. 

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Investigators tested more than 9,000 human biological samples – including blood, plasma and throat swabs – that were stored at hospitals and blood banks prior to the pandemic, Muller said, citing data from the WHO report. 

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It was expected that between 100 and 400 would be positive for SARS-CoV-2, based on the natural outbreak experiences with SARS and MERS, Muller said. But in this case, zero tested positive.

"There is no evidence of multiple animal-to-human transmissions," said Dr. Steven Quay, a physician and founder of Atossa Therapeutics. 

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3) The genetic fingerprint of the virus is so unique it has never been observed in a natural coronavirus 

Quay, who is writing a book on why COVID-19 originated from a lab, said SARS-CoV-2 has a unique trigger on its surface called a furin cleavage site and a unique code in its genes for that site, called a CGG-CGG dimer. This combination has never been found naturallyand therefore points to a lab-manipulated virus, he says.

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Since 1992, in gain-of-function research experiments, laboratories have inserted furin sites into viruses repeatedly, Quay said. The end result is supercharged, more infectious viruses, he said. 

"These gene jockeys have put in a furin site into a virus that didn't have one in the laboratory," Quay told Fox News Digital. "Eleven out of 11 times it makes it more effective, more transmissible, more lethal -- all the bad things you'd want. So if you want to juice up a virus and make it more infective or make it go from bats to humans, putting in a furin cleavage site is a great idea."

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4) The virus appeared in humans already "optimized" into an extremely contagious version

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5) The Wuhan Institute of Virology studies bat coronaviruses and has engaged in "gain-of-function" research 

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6) China has not cooperated and investigators have not had full access to the lab, data

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7) Lab leaks are not uncommon, so they should not have been dismissed so quickly at the onset of the pandemic

Researchers working on viruses in laboratories have accidentally gotten infected before and caused virus outbreaks in China and elsewhere. For example, in 2004, a lab-leak SARS outbreak in Beijing infected nine people, killing the mother of an infected graduate student who worked at China's National Institute of Virology Laboratory. The lab was conducting research on SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV).  

In Taiwan in 2003, a scientist at the National Defense University in Taipei became infected with severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) after studying it in the lab. And a laboratory accident was also to blame for a SARS infection in Singapore in 2003 when a doctoral student at the Singapore General Hospital got sick.

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😎 Researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were sick just prior to the community outbreak

I guess it's just a coincidence that people at the lab got sick first...? 🤣

Do they get a hankerin' to munch on some bat after working on them in the lab all day?

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9) The Wuhan Institute of Virology has conducted "secret" research projects with the Chinese military 

The U.S State Department revealed on Jan. 15, 2021, that the Wuhan Institute of Virology has collaborated on "secret projects" with China’s military and warned that the country has a history of biological weapons work that Beijing has not "demonstrably eliminated."

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10) There was an "orchestrated effort" by NIH officials and others to quickly shut down the lab-leak theory 

Those who favor the lab-leak theory have been frustrated by leaders at the National Institutes of Health, including Fauci, who pushed the natural origin theory from the early days of the pandemic and repeatedly denied that the federal agency was funding gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. 

Newly released documents showed that Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was warned early on that the virus may have originated in the Wuhan lab. On January 31, 2020, Dr. Kristian Andersen, a noted virologist at the Scripps Lab, privately told Fauci that after discussion with his colleagues some of COVID-19’s features look possibly engineered and the "genome is inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory."

In response, Fauci hastily organized a call with dozens of worldwide virologists, and notes from the meeting obtained by Fox News’ "Special Report" reveal that suspicions of the lab leak theory were suppressed over concerns of how the public would react to news of possible Chinese government involvement. 

As usual, my facts are overwhelming compared to your leftist dogma. 

 

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the 😎 for number 8 wasn't in the article... if you type an "8" with a ")" after it on this forum it is automatically converted to a 😎 

Edited December 3, 2022 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Released Twitter emails show how employees debated 😄 how to handle 2020 New York Post Hunter Biden story. 

So the word "handled" means "debating"? 

They pretend that they don't "editorialize" so they're not held to the same standards that journalists theoretically are (BS if you ask me), but politicians send in their editorial requests and they're fulfilled, mainly based on political value of the edit as opposed to its legitimacy.

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Good on Musk, in a few months when power will go to the head of the right -> in my view -> cannons will be turned and then roles will be reserved. You could see a similar title on Fox News justifying their side is the moral one. 

Not sure what you mean there... Fox's side is the moral one - they're just advocating for free speech, and an end to highly influential political editorialization from social media giants. 

If nothing else, this is proof that the Jan 6th crowd wasn't wrong to say that the 2020 election was a travesty. Undoubtedly there were people in that crowd who were booted off social media and accused of spreading Russian disinformation just for telling the truth. Those people had every right to feel disenfranchised and angry. 

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

The Twitter Files RE: Hunter Biden's laptop.

The Twitter Files Thread, In A Way More Readable Format (piratewires.com)

If you think you've been told the truth on ANYTHING in the last 3 years, you're delusional.

 

Thanks. I read them last night on Twitter, but this is much cleaner.

After all the buzz leading up to this, and the comments I saw online before reading, what strikes me most is how mild and predictable all of this is. 

Every large organization (and especially any that works directly with the public) has discussions exactly like this every time an issue intersects with the business. You could cut and paste BLM protests or Ukraine war in place of the laptop and you'd see something similar. Believe it or not, they are all trying their best to do the right thing for the business and society, and there is always debate about what that is.

I also think it's important to examine these exchanges in the broader context. Leading up to 2016, social media platforms were weaponized by foreign operatives and turned  against the American people leading up to 2016. To disastrous results, IMO, though opinions will vary on that. But whether it confounded or benefited one's personal politics, the precedent for mass manipulation was set, and platforms were on edge.

They were particularly worried about a repeat of 2016, and points during the pandemic, in which they correctly received much blame and criticism for giving a megaphone to misinformation. Becoming a public liability makes them a target for negative sentiment and for potential regulation--a problem in need of fixing. 

And then, like 2016 an October surprise comes along,  and the story is a bit preposterous with no proper vetting--even the original authors of the story refused to put their name on it because it was unverified. And every reporter WANTS to break a big story, so that's saying something. It has every red flag and hallmark if misinformation. 

That's the scenario in which these emails are being exchanged. Both for business reasons and the good of society, they are trying not to be weapon amplifying misinformation just before the polls open. This is a toxic hot potato, and they want to get burned again. They are looking for any justification in their policies to shut it down.

In hindsight the provenance of the laptop seems to be legit. Now the fallout is that Twitter got it wrong. But I'm not sure they should have handled it differently in the moment. They couldn't afford to get it wrong they other way either, and it seemed far more likely to be misinformation than not. They made the smarter bet to and still lost. It happens.

 

[Hodad]

38 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Your "study" was just a bunch of generalizations, and included input from the now-discredited Lancet. 

Science, https://www.foxnews.com/politics/reason-scientists-believe-coronavirus-originated-lab-wuhan-china:

In case you missed that, "But even the WHO has backtracked and admitted it was too quick to rule out the lab theory and has revived its investigation."

No doubt they said this so that they can start an investigation with a specific goal in mind, I will be surprised if they don't "find" an infected bat after so many tens of thousands of failures.

I guess it's just a coincidence that people at the lab got sick first...? 🤣

Do they get a hankerin' to munch on some bat after working on them in the lab all day?

As usual, my facts are overwhelming compared to your leftist dogma. 

 

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the 😎 for number 8 wasn't in the article... if you type an "8" with a ")" after it on this forum it is automatically converted to a 😎 

You crack me up sometimes. The oldest--and one of the most respected - peer-reviewed medical journals in the world is "discredited," but a listicle from FOX is solid gold.  Excellent illustration of confirmation bias and conspiracy thinking.

I'm fine with people keeping an "open" mind, but you just look like a jackass claiming that an unproven (and unlikely) theory is established fact.

[CrakHoBarbie]

58 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

https://nypost.com/2022/10/29/new-report-supports-claim-covid-19-came-from-wuhan-lab/

There ya go, even Vanity fair said it, so you have no choice but to instantly believe it and start parroting it.

 

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From your citation: "the COVID-19 pandemic was, more likely than not, the result of a research-related incident.”

 

So, it's clear that your contention has not been proven. But funny how your acting like it's gospel. That MAGA mentality of treating suppositions like gospel is quite prevalent amongst the afflicted.

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You crack me up sometimes. 1) The oldest--and one of the most respected - peer-reviewed medical journals in the world is "discredited," 2) but a listicle from FOX is solid gold.  Excellent illustration of confirmation bias and conspiracy thinking.

3) I'm fine with people keeping an "open" mind, but you just look like a jackass claiming that an unproven (and unlikely) theory is established fact.

1) Yes, they absolutely are discredited.

They rushed out a farcical discredit of HCQ which they had to retract, and in all this time they haven't found a single reason to scratch their heads about the covid 'vaccine'. 

You have to admit that by now, after the massive lowering of the vax-success bar, with this massive amount of unflattering C19-vax evidence in, the Lancet should have at least issued an objective opinion or two.

Nope. Nothing. They're all in. Literally every single thing that they've ever said railroads their readers into one rock-solid conclusion: "The vax is totally legit and the word of Fauci is gold."

2) The Fox article named ten solid reasons from actual, respected scientists why it looks like covid almost certainly came from a lab, and you can't even speak to one of them. Instead you're all about 'appeal to authority' arguments, ad hominem attacks, and the usual leftist bafflegab that pours out when you're painted into a corner and losing on every front. 

You love to use words like "conspiracy, bias, base rate fallacy', etc but you just blurt them out when they don't apply. 

3) Put this into perspective dude: conservatives put this out there as a more likely alternative to the bat-pangolin-person theory back in spring of 2020, for a laundry list of reasonable considerations, and were roundly mocked, censored, and in some cases even kicked off of social media for expressing that opinion. Leftists, who sound exactly like you, were quick to pronounce us fools and back all of that discrimination.

Almost every line of inquiry into the origin of covid points towards 'lab leak' and there's nothing at all which points to the likelihood of the wetmarket scenario, aside from the generalization which your article was entirely predicated on - that "historically viruses came from the wild". Guess what... scientists weren't splicing Furin sites into viruses 50 years ago. The 'came from the wild' route was "historically" the only game in town, and in recent years lab leaks have caused a lot of the big viral leaks, so the presentation of your one possible explanation was quite disingenuous, to say the least. 

 

Speak to the laundry list of facts in the Fox article, Hodad. Don't be a coward, hiding behind an ad hominem argument.

[WestCanMan]

19 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

From your citation: "the COVID-19 pandemic was, more likely than not, the result of a research-related incident.”

 

So, it's clear that your contention has not been proven. But funny how your acting like it's gospel. That MAGA mentality of treating suppositions like gospel is quite prevalent amongst the afflicted.

Without any access to the data in the Chinese lab, which is being withheld, it is nearly impossible for respected publications to state declaratively that 'they are absolutely certain where it came from' (like Fauci et al did at the start though, and even recently, with zero actual evidence of their own, and in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary) but anyone who's being reasonable knows beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I directly responded to your blathering now, I'd like you to try to comment on the laundry list of scientific evidence which supports the lab leak theory now. 

We both know you won't. As usual, you'll run from a factual discussion like a child running from a tarantula. 

[CrakHoBarbie]

11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Without any access to the data in the Chinese lab, which is being withheld, it is nearly impossible for respected publications to state declaratively that 'they are absolutely certain where it came from. 

There you have it.. Your contention cannot be verified at this time. Why is it so hard for you to admit that?

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

1) Yes, they absolutely are discredited.

They rushed out a farcical discredit of HCQ which they had to retract, and in all this time they haven't found a single reason to scratch their heads about the covid 'vaccine'. 

You have to admit that by now, after the massive lowering of the vax-success bar, with this massive amount of unflattering C19-vax evidence in, the Lancet should have at least issued an objective opinion or two.

Nope. Nothing. They're all in. Literally every single thing that they've ever said railroads their readers into one rock-solid conclusion: "The vax is totally legit and the word of Fauci is gold."

2) The Fox article named ten solid reasons from actual, respected scientists why it looks like covid almost certainly came from a lab, and you can't even speak to one of them. Instead you're all about 'appeal to authority' arguments, ad hominem attacks, and the usual leftist bafflegab that pours out when you're painted into a corner and losing on every front. 

You love to use words like "conspiracy, bias, base rate fallacy', etc but you just blurt them out when they don't apply. 

3) Put this into perspective dude: conservatives put this out there as a more likely alternative to the bat-pangolin-person theory back in spring of 2020, for a laundry list of reasonable considerations, and were roundly mocked, censored, and in some cases even kicked off of social media for expressing that opinion. Leftists, who sound exactly like you, were quick to pronounce us fools and back all of that discrimination.

Almost every line of inquiry into the origin of covid points towards 'lab leak' and there's nothing at all which points to the likelihood of the wetmarket scenario, aside from the generalization which your article was entirely predicated on - that "historically viruses came from the wild". Guess what... scientists weren't splicing Furin sites into viruses 50 years ago. The 'came from the wild' route was "historically" the only game in town, and in recent years lab leaks have caused a lot of the big viral leaks, so the presentation of your one possible explanation was quite disingenuous, to say the least. 

 

Speak to the laundry list of facts in the Fox article, Hodad. Don't be a coward, hiding behind an ad hominem argument.

You claim, as fact, that the virus originated in a lab.

As "proof" you cite a non-scientific media article that begins thusly:" Origin of COVID-19 has not been determined two years into the deadly pandemic, but lab-leak theory is no longer widely dismissed"

Who can argue with "logic" like that? 

You hand-wave well-respected, peer-reviewed medical and scientific journals, but think that 10 things a retired physicist said should be taken VERY seriously. Why? Because of expertise or credibility? Nope, because those aren't even in the same galaxy. No, it's simply because he shares your view. 

The exact same way you cling to false claims that the vaccine doesn't work. Even when every scientific, medical and governmental body on the planet tells you they do 

It's all a big conspiracy, but you're a very special boy because you've seen through all the lying experts to uncover "the truth."

 

 

 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

There you have it.. Your contention cannot be verified at this time. Why is it so hard for you to admit that?

It's a case where someone can't be convicted of murder because the murder weapon was never retrieved.

The cops have them on video going in and out of the building at the right time, they had a motive, the victim said that person tried to kill them previously, it seems like no one else was around, the suspect has the person's wallet and car keys, there are no other suspects, etc... The murder weapons is just missing.

Your contention is based entirely on three things:

1) The gov't of China's opinion

2) Fauci's opinion, and his office funded gain-of-function research there,  

3) The fact that most viruses came from animals in the 2,000 years of recorded history back before humans started tinkering with viruses, but not in recent history. Lab leaks have caused a lot of viral outbreaks in the most recent decades. 

#3 is your strongest scientific opinion, but there's not evidence to back it up.

So you have basically zero reasons to back the animal theory to begin with, I proved how weak your best argument was, and I came up with ten solid reasons why it is almost certainly a lab leak, you can't even talk about any of them. 

Your mouth is just zipped tight as a drum when it comes to discussing the actual science of the matter. 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

You claim, as fact, that the virus originated in a lab.

Reasonable people are beyond the point of taking the animal theory seriously.

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As "proof" you cite a non-scientific media article that begins thusly:" Origin of COVID-19 has not been determined two years into the deadly pandemic, but lab-leak theory is no longer widely dismissed"

It's not a non-scientific opinion. The opinions arrived at there are entirely scientific and based on a lot of scientific investigations. 

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Who can argue with "logic" like that? 

Why are you talking about logic?

Aside from Fauci's opinion, which is arguably the largest conflict of interest in the world, there's the gov't of China's opinion, and the Lancet's intensely scientific suggestion that "Uhhhh, most new viruses came from animals before our labs started tinkering with them, so yeah let's put all of our focus on that one tidbit of info."

There are ten really good reasons why covid almost had to come from a lab and you can't talk about a single one of them.

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You hand-wave well-respected, peer-reviewed medical and scientific journals,

 1) The Lancet is not well-respected

2) Their article didn't have any actual 'science' in it. They just basically said that 'most viruses come from the wild, so let's just leave it at that.'

Fox's article has far more worthwhile info in it, and it directly refutes the Lancet's main claim:

1) No one has found a single animal with the covid virus. No one, ever.

2) There was never a human found with a version of covid that wasn't up to full speed. In previous outbreaks with similar viruses "there was evidence of extensive human infection from animals prior to the virus mutating to become transmissible between humans." Yet not one human had a version of covid that wasn't transmissible yet.

3) There's a Furin cleavage site on the covid virus, which is a common feature of viruses that were created in a lab, and which has never been found on a virus in nature. 

This point alone renders The Lancet's opinion completely worthless... They said that "Viruses usually come from the wild" but viruses with the Furin site have never been found in the wild. 0 in all of recorded history....

4) The very first human to be found to be infected with covid had the perfected version of the virus. This is slightly similar to #2, but it is also an important distinction

5) The Wuhan lab is known to have been studying this exact virus, and adding the Furin site to it is one of the things they did with viruses there.

6) China's opinion is one of the 3 main reasons to even believe that the virus came from a bat-pangolin trio, and they're refusing to let their lab, which is right at ground zero, be investigated.  

7)If this virus did leak from a Chinese lab, it wouldn't be the first one. Even a lab in Taiwan has let a deadly virus out. This point is in direct conflict with The Lancet's prime piece of scientific evidence "viruses usually come from the wild". 

Eight) The first people that ever got sick with covid were from that lab.

There are two more items that you need to address in order to be a part of this debate, but for now I'll just say: "If it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, it makes duck poop, eggs come out of it which ducklings hatch from, it's feathers have duck DNA, and Fauci says "IT'S DEFINITELY NOT A DUCK!", it's a duck. 

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The exact same way you cling to false claims that the vaccine doesn't work.Even when every scientific, medical and governmental body on the planet tells you they do 

Health Canada's own stats say that the jab isn't a vaccine.

If you look at the weekly death toll for other diseases, vaccinating a large portion of the population has always resulted in a complete flatline. 

If you look at the weekly death toll for "before and after vaccination", the same vaunted scientists couldn't point out where a "massive vaccination rollout" occurred. Not a single one of them.

Riddle me this Perfesser - if covid deaths were so bad in 2021 that the MSM needed to pray for a cure every day, and they constantly had to bombard us with covid death stats, then why did they suddenly stop praying and showing the death toll after the vax rollout, and deaths haven't slowed by even 1%?

Why did they just keep saying "It's a pandemic of the unvaccinated without mentioning that 86% of covid deaths are among the vaxed? IS that not a huge effing lie? Yeah, it is. It's by far the biggest lie ever told. 

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It's all a big conspiracy, but you're a very special boy because you've seen through all the lying experts to uncover "the truth."

Do you think I'm the only person on earth saying that the vax doesn't work? 

I personally know dozens of people who say that. I also know a lot of people who have really crazy side effects since vaxing. You do too, everyone does, you just won't admit it. 

Edited December 4, 2022 by WestCanMan

[Goddess]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I directly responded to your blathering now, I'd like you to try to comment on the laundry list of scientific evidence which supports the lab leak theory now. 

There's a ton of circumstantial evidence, as well.

I talked about it on the trickle thread.  Peter Daszak and his illegal gain of function experimentation on bat coronaviruses and suddenly there's an outbreak of a bat coronavirus with hallmarks of being tampered with by humans.......

[WestCanMan]

8 minutes ago, Goddess said:

There's a ton of circumstantial evidence, as well.

I talked about it on the trickle thread.  Peter Daszak and his illegal gain of function experimentation on bat coronaviruses and suddenly there's an outbreak of a bat coronavirus with hallmarks of being tampered with by humans.......

I still like this one, starting at 2:50 

 

[Goddess]

6 hours ago, Hodad said:

Every large organization (and especially any that works directly with the public) has discussions exactly like this every time an issue intersects with the business. You could cut and paste BLM protests or Ukraine war in place of the laptop and you'd see something similar. Believe it or not, they are all trying their best to do the right thing for the business and society, and there is always debate about what that is.

I believe Musk said it best:

 

[CrakHoBarbie]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It's a case where someone can't be convicted of murder because the murder weapon was never retrieved.

The cops have them on video going in and out of the building at the right time, they had a motive, the victim said that person tried to kill them previously, it seems like no one else was around, the suspect has the person's wallet and car keys, there are no other suspects, etc... The murder weapons is just missing.

Your contention is based entirely on three things:

1) The gov't of China's opinion

2) Fauci's opinion, and his office funded gain-of-function research there,  

3) The fact that most viruses came from animals in the 2,000 years of recorded history back before humans started tinkering with viruses, but not in recent history. Lab leaks have caused a lot of viral outbreaks in the most recent decades. 

#3 is your strongest scientific opinion, but there's not evidence to back it up.

So you have basically zero reasons to back the animal theory to begin with, I proved how weak your best argument was, and I came up with ten solid reasons why it is almost certainly a lab leak, you can't even talk about any of them. 

Your mouth is just zipped tight as a drum when it comes to discussing the actual science of the matter. 

Again, your contention cannot be verified at this time. Stop trying to sell gossip as gospel. It's dishonest.

Edited December 4, 2022 by CrakHoBarbie

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Reasonable people are beyond the point of taking the animal theory seriously.

It's not a non-scientific opinion. The opinions arrived at there are entirely scientific and based on a lot of scientific investigations. 

Why are you talking about logic?

Aside from Fauci's opinion, which is arguably the largest conflict of interest in the world, there's the gov't of China's opinion, and the Lancet's intensely scientific suggestion that "Uhhhh, most new viruses came from animals before our labs started tinkering with them, so yeah let's put all of our focus on that one tidbit of info."

There are ten really good reasons why covid almost had to come from a lab and you can't talk about a single one of them.

 1) The Lancet is not well-respected

2) Their article didn't have any actual 'science' in it. They just basically said that 'most viruses come from the wild, so let's just leave it at that.'

Fox's article has far more worthwhile info in it, and it directly refutes the Lancet's main claim:

1) No one has found a single animal with the covid virus. No one, ever.

2) There was never a human found with a version of covid that wasn't up to full speed. In previous outbreaks with similar viruses "there was evidence of extensive human infection from animals prior to the virus mutating to become transmissible between humans." Yet not one human had a version of covid that wasn't transmissible yet.

3) There's a Furin cleavage site on the covid virus, which is a common feature of viruses that were created in a lab, and which has never been found on a virus in nature. 

This point alone renders The Lancet's opinion completely worthless... They said that "Viruses usually come from the wild" but viruses with the Furin site have never been found in the wild. 0 in all of recorded history....

4) The very first human to be found to be infected with covid had the perfected version of the virus. This is slightly similar to #2, but it is also an important distinction

5) The Wuhan lab is known to have been studying this exact virus, and adding the Furin site to it is one of the things they did with viruses there.

6) China's opinion is one of the 3 main reasons to even believe that the virus came from a bat-pangolin trio, and they're refusing to let their lab, which is right at ground zero, be investigated.  

7)If this virus did leak from a Chinese lab, it wouldn't be the first one. Even a lab in Taiwan has let a deadly virus out. This point is in direct conflict with The Lancet's prime piece of scientific evidence "viruses usually come from the wild". 

Eight) The first people that ever got sick with covid were from that lab.

There are two more items that you need to address in order to be a part of this debate, but for now I'll just say: "If it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, it makes duck poop, eggs come out of it which ducklings hatch from, it's feathers have duck DNA, and Fauci says "IT'S DEFINITELY NOT A DUCK!", it's a duck. 

Health Canada's own stats say that the jab isn't a vaccine.

If you look at the weekly death toll for other diseases, vaccinating a large portion of the population has always resulted in a complete flatline. 

If you look at the weekly death toll for "before and after vaccination", the same vaunted scientists couldn't point out where a "massive vaccination rollout" occurred. Not a single one of them.

Riddle me this Perfesser - if covid deaths were so bad in 2021 that the MSM needed to pray for a cure every day, and they constantly had to bombard us with covid death stats, then why did they suddenly stop praying and showing the death toll after the vax rollout, and deaths haven't slowed by even 1%?

Why did they just keep saying "It's a pandemic of the unvaccinated without mentioning that 86% of covid deaths are among the vaxed? IS that not a huge effing lie? Yeah, it is. It's by far the biggest lie ever told. 

Do you think I'm the only person on earth saying that the vax doesn't work? 

I personally know dozens of people who say that. I also know a lot of people who have really crazy side effects since vaxing. You do too, everyone does, you just won't admit it. 

Let us know when your Fox News article passes PEER REVIEW by SCIENTISTS who (unlike you) are actually EXPERTS IN THAT FIELD. Like Lancet papers do ROUTINELY.

You seem to have erroneously mistaken YOUR DISDAIN for Lancet as meaning it is NOT well respected by actual SCEINTISTS in that FIELD.

Maybe you can find some VALID EXPERT OPINIONS to back up YOUR AMATEUR JUDGEMENT, but I doubt it.

 

Edited December 4, 2022 by robosmith

[Hodad]

4 hours ago, Goddess said:

I believe Musk said it best:

 

Where in that text string do you see Twitter taking orders from the government? And by "government" do you mean the Trump admin?

And if so, were they coerced in any way? Was it an order it a request?

[Infidel Dog]

Politically motivated censorship at the hands of officials in the Democratic Party is what I'm hearing.

Actor, James Woods is suing the DNC.

Edited December 4, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Goddess]

10 hours ago, Hodad said:

Where in that text string do you see Twitter taking orders from the government? And by "government" do you mean the Trump admin?

And if so, were they coerced in any way? Was it an order it a request?

Did you even read the text string?

In tweet #8 - "More to review from the BIDEN TEAM"

Answer:  "Handled."

I understand you likely don't think it was "coerced" because you also don't view something like "Take this jab or lose your job, healthcare and ability to buy groceries" as coercion.

Edited December 4, 2022 by Goddess