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Dear BHS,
Balls to the wall anarchy.
Ah yes, the fastest and most exciting way to personal gain.

All legal and ownership disputes settled by the law offices of "Gimme, Gimme and Blam!".

Mind you,

Capitalism in Canada.

this is a step in that direction.

Seeing as how Canada is already a capitalist country I don't think it's a step anywhere.

I notice you didn't mention your own preference.

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Dear BHS,

Seeing as how Canada is already a capitalist country I don't think it's a step anywhere.
I mean it is a step along the road to anarchy( you are correct, though, that being somewhere is a step in no direction), though one on that journey is hobbled by two things. Morality and Law. Remove those two fetters from the human spirit (of self-gratification) and you'll have anarchy.
I notice you didn't mention your own preference
Well, I can't really name it because it hasn't been tried yet. Sort of a cross between anarcho-syndiclism and Marxism-Fleabagism, with a healthy but moderate dose of Buddhism. Democratic Socialism is similar in theory, but has been bastardized so badly by some few that is has made them dirty words. My personal 'fascism' isn't exclusive, it includes all.
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Dear BHS,
Seeing as how Canada is already a capitalist country I don't think it's a step anywhere.
I mean it is a step along the road to anarchy( you are correct, though, that being somewhere is a step in no direction), though one on that journey is hobbled by two things. Morality and Law. Remove those two fetters from the human spirit (of self-gratification) and you'll have anarchy.
I notice you didn't mention your own preference
Well, I can't really name it because it hasn't been tried yet. Sort of a cross between anarcho-syndiclism and Marxism-Fleabagism, with a healthy but moderate dose of Buddhism. Democratic Socialism is similar in theory, but has been bastardized so badly by some few that is has made them dirty words. My personal 'fascism' isn't exclusive, it includes all.

I'm not sure how modern capitalism (with it's reliance on bizantine contract law and complex financial transactions involving everything the world's most advance communications technology has to offer) is closer to anarchy than, um, anarcho-syndicalism, but there you go. Also, I don't see why individuals making their own rules and forming small, clan-like alliances need necessarily act less morally than they would in a highly structured society.

I saw a documentary about a group of anarcho-syndicalist types who started a squat in downtown Montreal. You should see it if you get the chance. It might give you second thoughts about that whole philosophy. Personally, I found the film both funny and depressing, like a tragedy where you guess the ending in the first 10 minutes.

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Dear BHS,

I saw a documentary about a group of anarcho-syndicalist types who started a squat in downtown Montreal. You should see it if you get the chance. It might give you second thoughts about that whole philosophy. Personally, I found the film both funny and depressing, like a tragedy where you guess the ending in the first 10 minutes.
There will always be sect of boobs who have 'fugues of enlightenment' and think that they can apply them immediately, without thinking things through. Besides, my "benevolent gov't's" role would be to offer tax breaks for those that produce more for 'common good' than for 'consumption'. I believe an economy (as well as a person) can serve a purpose greater than itself.
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Dear BHS,
I saw a documentary about a group of anarcho-syndicalist types who started a squat in downtown Montreal. You should see it if you get the chance. It might give you second thoughts about that whole philosophy. Personally, I found the film both funny and depressing, like a tragedy where you guess the ending in the first 10 minutes.
There will always be sect of boobs who have 'fugues of enlightenment' and think that they can apply them immediately, without thinking things through. Besides, my "benevolent gov't's" role would be to offer tax breaks for those that produce more for 'common good' than for 'consumption'. I believe an economy (as well as a person) can serve a purpose greater than itself.

You're placing an awful lot of faith in the type of people who brought you Adscam to determine what constitutes the "common good" as opposed to mere consumerism. Personally, I have more faith that the collective result of a large number of individual choices will come to the best results, as opposed to choices made by a small number forced onto the population collectively.

You also imply that charitable work (or whatever you mean by "greater purpose") somehow lies outside of the economy, when in fact all human interaction ultimately falls within the scope of the economy. It isn't all just stocks and bonds and biscuit trusts.

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:D I like the star trek idea on evening the economy (then again they got loads of resources) but what I don't understand is how the masses are represented.

With out public word the resources are going either strictly to the controlling government, or strictly to the head of the business world, would that make it close to communism?

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Besides, my "benevolent gov't's" role would be to offer tax breaks for those that produce more for 'common good' than for 'consumption'. I believe an economy (as well as a person) can serve a purpose greater than itself.

Would the person "serve a purpose greater than itself" as a serf or as a free-person?

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Dear Charles Anthony,

Would the person "serve a purpose greater than itself" as a serf or as a free-person?
Well, as free as any person living with a non-libertarian/anarchist gov't can be. To pick an example, let's say public transit passes were made to be 100%tax deductible. Or, perhaps even 105%. Some people would buy the passes for tax breaks at the end of the year, even if they didn't use them. More money could flow into the transit system, lessening the need for subsidy (as long as they didn't simply expand their budget accordingly). Tax breaks, exemptions, etc. could be used as 'the carrot' to encourage investment in that 'greater purpose' (especially where environmental concerns cannot be addressed in a feasible economic way, like meeting the ill-advised Kyoto targets).
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Would the person "serve a purpose greater than itself" as a serf or as a free-person?
Well, as free as any person living with a non-libertarian/anarchist gov't can be.
Well, at least we understand the same measuring stick.
Tax breaks, exemptions, etc. could be used as 'the carrot' to encourage investment in that 'greater purpose' (especially where environmental concerns cannot be addressed in a feasible economic way, like meeting the ill-advised Kyoto targets).
This is just tax reform. Nothing original from the serf's perspective.

From where does the power of the Fleabusiness "government" come and how is it enforced?

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if you hade an option about what to pick, whatever it might be, other then capitalism in america, what would it be?

A theocracy where churches runs all trade. Wait...were you asking what America is becoming?

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Modified capitalism, modified Social Credit theory. Individual rights, democracy and capitalism. Business regulated by government with profit sharing plan to employees. Elimination of taxation on incomes and base taxes on rental value of real estate. Neither big business or big government controls the citizens, instead the citizens control both through direct democracy.

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capitalism with human face like they have it in Western Europe

Where is this human face you talk about? The economic system of those countries you make think are humanistic, still depend on exploiting the economies of the third and foruth world and selling military weapons and toxic substances, etc. Its a phallacy to think Western European countries such as Belgium, France, Holland, Denmark, are innocent kind countries. They have their problems and their disenfranchised and alienated like everyone else.

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How can anybody "fetter themselves" with morality? or anything for that matter?
Well, if one believes that personal gain is tantamount, all that might slow or stop such gain would be considered an impediment. For example, in the last few years, marketing companies have pushed 'good business ethics' as the new buzzwords...but not because it is the right thing to do, their sales pitch is that "Now good business ethics can be more profitable!" It isn't because of a new found 'morality', it is a sales gimmick.
It is finally clear to me now.

The Lone Flea at a computer joins an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of typewriters to unlock the secret meaning of life.

"Alas, poor Fleabag! I knew him Thelonius; a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy."

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