MPs in Québec refused to take the oath of office to King Charles III

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

 

I disagree

Canada is tenuously balanced on the Deux Solitudes

there is no good reason to force the Quebecois to kneel before Charles Windsor

"conscription if necessary, but not necessarily conscription" ~ MacKenzie - King

Ha, the Canadian pride comes out.  Love that book.  Rocket Richard.  The Canadians have one of the best stories in professional sports.

Is there a greater rivalry in professional sports than the Leafs v Canadians?

Edited October 29, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Ha, the Canadian pride comes out.  Love that book.  Rocket Richard.  Canadians have one of the best stories in professional sports.

Quebec is the only real nation in Canada

I don't want to live there, because it's the Canadian nanny state on steroids

at the same time, I feel no need to force them to swear fealty to Charles Windsor

the vast majority of Anglos don't actually have any fealty to the British monarchy

so its absurd to insist that the Quebecois should have to

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Quebec is the only real nation in Canada

I don't want to live there, because it's the Canadian nanny state on steroids

at the same time, I feel no need to force them to swear fealty to Charles Windsor

the vast majority of Anglos don't actually have any fealty to the British monarchy

so its absurd to insist that the Quebecois should have to

Well years back I spoke about the importance of Canada charting her own course independent of Britain, the US, and China, but under the Trudeau Liberals I’ve lost confidence in the third way that seemed exciting under Pearson, Pierre Trudeau, and Mulroney.  I’d like nothing more than to see Canada have a strong and independent foreign policy and defence, more varied trade, and greater freedoms and rights.  Instead we have post-national state.   Britain and the US beat us on vaccine production and reopening.  They didn’t oppress the population to the same degree as Canada on the most part.  The Americans don’t fleece the population with carbon taxes.  Britain and some U.S. states are shedding the insane childhood gender transition radicalism, yet Canada is as woke and ridiculous as it gets, especially on assisted suicide.  Things have to change here.  

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well years back I spoke about the importance of Canada charting her own course independent of Britain, the US, and China, but under the Trudeau Liberals I’ve lost confidence in the third way that seemed exciting under Pearson, Pierre Trudeau, and Mulroney.  I’d like nothing more than to see Canada have a strong and independent foreign policy and defence, more varied trade, and greater freedoms and rights.  Instead we have post-national state.   Britain and the US beat us on vaccine production and reopening.  They didn’t oppress the population to the same degree as Canada on the most part.  The Americans don’t fleece the population with carbon taxes.  Britain and some U.S. states are shedding the insane childhood gender transition radicalism, yet Canada is as woke and ridiculous as it gets, especially on assisted suicide.  Things have to change here.  

Quebec is the only province which rejects the Post National State

Quebec is the only province which rejects the American Woke Communism

Quebec is the only province which actually has a national identity

Quebec is the real Canada, the rest of the provinces are the fake country

none the less, I love Quebec from afar

nice place to visit, but wouldn't want to live under their quasi fascistic ethnonationalist rule

[Zeitgeist]

53 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Quebec is the only province which rejects the Post National State

Quebec is the only province which rejects the American Woke Communism

Quebec is the only province which actually has a national identity

Quebec is the real Canada, the rest of the provinces are the fake country

none the less, I love Quebec from afar

nice place to visit, but wouldn't want to live under their quasi fascistic ethnonationalist rule

Yeah they’re too harsh and too taxed, but they value their culture and they’re the heart of Canada.  Ottawa tries to be Quebec.  Toronto is British North American New York.  I love it but it’s quite American.  Modern and sophisticated.  Quebec has old Canadian charm.  

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 Toronto is British North American New York.  I love it but it’s quite American. 

that's why my American father loved it, best of both worlds

I however have fallen out of love with it

it's not the Toronto the Good that I came to in 1978

I've come to love the Loyalist countryside now

mostly because I could afford a dream home here,  when I never could in Toronto

and there's no traffic, and never any trouble finding parking

[Zeitgeist]

6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

that's why my American father loved it, best of both worlds

I however have fallen out of love with it

it's not the Toronto the Good that I came to in 1978

I've come to love the Loyalist countryside now

mostly because I could afford a dream home here,  when I never could in Toronto

and there's no traffic, and never any trouble finding parking

The area by K-W, Cambridge and Guelph is pretty great.  Scottish and German Upper Canada prime farm land.  The Protestant work ethic and Victorian optimism.  It’s also one of the most cutting edge tech centres.  

[Dougie93]

15 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The area by K-W, Cambridge and Guelph is pretty great.  Scottish and German Upper Canada prime farm land.  The Protestant work ethic and Victorian optimism.  It’s also one of the most cutting edge tech centres.  

I never knew before

but when you drive through the farms & fields of Wellington County

you see God's country therein

the Thistle, Shamrock, Rose entwine

[Zeitgeist]

31 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I never knew before

but when you drive through the farms & fields of Wellington County

you see God's country therein

the Thistle, Shamrock, Rose entwine

I’m literally at St. Jacob’s Farmers Market now.  Best market I’ve ever seen.  Just keeps growing.  Interesting how many Turks and Middle Eastern people are here among the Mennonites.  Everyone very harmonious.  

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’m literally at St. Jacob’s Farmers Market now. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

In this day and age there should be a sensible, Canadian alternative to swearing allegiance to some foreigner. In another country long ago, such foolishness was called an ‘empty formula’ which it is when required of legislators like this. 

Edited October 30, 2022 by SpankyMcFarland

[Zeitgeist]

4 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

In this day and age there should be an alternative to swearing allegiance to some foreigner. In another country long ago, such foolishness was called an ‘empty formula’ which it is when required of legislators like this. 

But would you prefer to have a republic under Canada’s current conditions?  Trudeau as head of state?  I trust US leadership over Trudeau’s.  Even the US Democrats are better than our Liberals.

[Dougie93]

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

But would you prefer to have a republic under Canada’s current conditions?  Trudeau as head of state?  I trust US leadership over Trudeau’s.  Even the US Democrats are better than our Liberals.

for all intents & purposes, Canada is already the de facto Republic of the Liberal Party

the problem is that it's not really the Liberals anymore

the Woke Social Justice religion and associated race based lunacy has destroyed the Liberals

except they have all the power

yet they are no longer capable of running the country, having been overrun by a totally dysfunctional ideology

so Canada is simply falling apart at the seams, everything is breaking down at once

nobody can get into the cockpit to stop the Liberals from crashing the state into the terrain

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

But would you prefer to have a republic under Canada’s current conditions?  Trudeau as head of state?  I trust US leadership over Trudeau’s.  Even the US Democrats are better than our Liberals.

I would prefer to have a Canadian as head of state, elected by parliament or the people, and independent of the head of government. 

[Zeitgeist]

9 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I would prefer to have a Canadian as head of state, elected by parliament or the people, and independent of the head of government. 

Well that would’ve given us a conservative head of state and a Liberal PM in the last election.  It would require answering major questions of responsibilities and distribution of powers among the branches of government.  Canada resists constitutional reform because of Quebec’s constant push for more power in an already asymmetrical federation.  It’s dysfunctional but seemingly unresolvable.  Canada has this fundamental conflict constantly brewing.  Alberta is also pushing back against the Feds.  Regionalism is a big problem for Canada.  

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well that would’ve given us a conservative head of state and a Liberal PM in the last election.  It would require answering major questions of responsibilities and distribution of powers among the branches of government.  Canada resists constitutional reform because of Quebec’s constant push for more power in an already asymmetrical federation.  It’s dysfunctional but seemingly unresolvable.  Canada has this fundamental conflict constantly brewing.  Alberta is also pushing back against the Feds.  Regionalism is a big problem for Canada.  

The president would have a position similar to the monarch so conflict would not be constant at all. One model would be to leave the election to a series of secret ballots of MPs and who knows who would win that. Canadians would be invited to run for the post and many would not be affiliated with the largest parties.

In the meantime, I think something similar could be done with the GG - a series of ‘consultative’ secret votes of throughly vetted candidates by MPs - so that this role could be truly separate from that of the PM. The PM should have no direct role in selecting the GG unless there was some genuine security or character problem with the candidate. 

Edited October 30, 2022 by SpankyMcFarland

[QuebecOverCanada]

The Speaker of the Québec Parliament said it would be impossible to have a seat at the Parliament if you don't figuratively bend your knee and plead allegiance to the foreign inbred King 5000km+ away from our coasts. I think it is fine. Boycotting has consequences, and I think those who don't plead allegiance should be considered as honorable because their cause has a consequence on their own party and it shows how outdated our system is.

Boycotting the Parliament in its current form, especially if you're the opposition and the ruling party has the majority of the seats by a wide margin is totally fine. I would like to congratulate all those MPs who did not obey, who did not stand for cowardice and symbolism from the inbred British Monarchy. Those are true Nationalists.

[QuebecOverCanada]

Update; the CAQ will legiferate and will make the oath optional to become an MP, if they succeed to pass it.

[I am Groot]

On 10/30/2022 at 1:26 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

I would prefer to have a Canadian as head of state, elected by parliament or the people, and independent of the head of government. 

Given the collection of losers, liars and incompetents the Canadian people have elected lately why would you want to subject us to a head of state selected in the same manner?

[I am Groot]

22 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

The Speaker of the Québec Parliament said it would be impossible to have a seat at the Parliament if you don't figuratively bend your knee and plead allegiance to the foreign inbred King 5000km+ away from our coasts. I think it is fine. Boycotting has consequences, and I think those who don't plead allegiance should be considered as honorable because their cause has a consequence on their own party and it shows how outdated our system is.

Boycotting the Parliament in its current form, especially if you're the opposition and the ruling party has the majority of the seats by a wide margin is totally fine. I would like to congratulate all those MPs who did not obey, who did not stand for cowardice and symbolism from the inbred British Monarchy. Those are true Nationalists.

I'm not sure how old you are, but the days when Quebec could portray itself as the poor, oppressed minority are long over. Your place has been taken over by innumerable more colorful, more sympathetic minorities. Sniveling because your reps have to swear allegiance to the Crown is just so yesterday. No one cares. 

[QuebecOverCanada]

Just now, I am Groot said:

I'm not sure how old you are, but the days when Quebec could portray itself as the poor, oppressed minority are long over. Your place has been taken over by innumerable more colorful, more sympathetic minorities. Sniveling because your reps have to swear allegiance to the Crown is just so yesterday. No one cares. 

No, we're proud now.

And we don't care about your feeling about the Monarchy and the symbolism behind it. We loathe it and will erase it off our culture, just like we took the Cross of the Parliament, because we're thinking for ourselves and our futures, not the backwards institutions that were part of our culture back then.

The Cross belongs now to a Museum.

The oath will belong to History books.

And we'll be just fine.

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

No, we're proud now.

And we don't care about your feeling about the Monarchy and the symbolism behind it. We loathe it and will erase it off our culture, just like we took the Cross of the Parliament, because we're thinking for ourselves and our futures, not the backwards institutions that were part of our culture back then.

The Cross belongs now to a Museum.

The oath will belong to History books.

And we'll be just fine.

You just resent the fact that Britain defeated France around 270 years ago.  France signed away New France in the Treaty of Paris to Britain in exchange for a few islands with sugar and fish.  What you don’t get is that Britain is a mongrel country.  France invaded Britain 900 years ago.  French is on the British coat of arms.  The Cornish have more in common with Brittany as Celtic peoples than either of those groups have to do with the Roman nation state of Brittania or Charlemagne’s France.

Britain was the first country to stand up to Hitler (with Canada following a week later).   The French language and Catholic education are enshrined in the British North America Act of 1867.

Know your history.  Unless and until we become a republic, it’s reasonable and good to respect the head of state.

Edited November 3, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[QuebecOverCanada]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

1.You just resent the fact that Britain defeated France around 270 years ago.  France signed away Nee France in the Treat of Paris to British in exchange for a few islands with sugar and fish.  What you don’t get is that Britain is a mongrel country.  France invaded Britain 900 years ago. 2.French is on the British coat of arms.  The Cornish have more in common with Brittany as Celtic peoples than either of those groups have to do with the Roman nation state of Brittania or Charlemagne’s France.

3.Britain was the first country to stand up to Hitler (with Canada following a week later).   The French language and Catholic education are enshrined in the British North America Act of 1867.

4. Know your history.  Unless and until we become a republic, it’s reasonable and good to respect the head of state.

1. No, I resent the fact that we have to kiss a Royalty's ass in 2022 to access a position to represent the People. You can not have two allegiances. Either you're with the People or the Royalty. You can't be both.

2. Very well. We don't need to have to bow down to an English King because they have French writings on a flag.

3. I can't believe that we talk about Hitler in this conversation. 

4. I know my History with a capital H, and I know that systems change, laws change, culture changes. Royalty and Monarchy are totally outdated principles, based on nothing else than being born by the right vagina ovulated by the right spermatozoid. Also, heads of states should be highly scrutinized and criticized. It is dangerous to adore leaders.

Collectively, the Québécois have moved past the adoration of authority figures to have a functional society, although, I understand some other cultures have not moved past it, like the North Koreans with their admiration of their Supreme Leader, the Russians with Putin and the Englishmen with their nobility. 

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

1. No, I resent the fact that we have to kiss a Royalty's ass in 2022 to access a position to represent the People. You can not have two allegiances. Either you're with the People or the Royalty. You can't be both.

2. Very well. We don't need to have to bow down to an English King because they have French writings on a flag.

3. I can't believe that we talk about Hitler in this conversation. 

4. I know my History with a capital H, and I know that systems change, laws change, culture changes. Royalty and Monarchy are totally outdated principles, based on nothing else than being born by the right vagina ovulated by the right spermatozoid. Also, heads of states should be highly scrutinized and criticized. It is dangerous to adore leaders.

Collectively, the Québécois have moved past the adoration of authority figures to have a functional society, although, I understand some other cultures have not moved past it, like the North Koreans with their admiration of their Supreme Leader, the Russians with Putin and the Englishmen with their nobility. 

The monarch has very little political power except to ensure that the processes of parliament are followed and to dissolve a parliament that clearly works against the interests of the people.  It’s there to prevent a dictator.

The value of Canada’s and Britain’s monarch is that it has come through the crucible of 1200 years of history and it points to an authority beyond itself, namely God.

Our head of state is separated from the head of government, which means it doesn’t fetishize a political leader who can be voted out faster than it takes for lettuce to rot.  Would you rather a president as head of state?

 I also value the connection to Britain because I trust that country over just about any country to stand up for justice.   I mention Hitler because it took real courage and strength to take on Germany during the Blitzkreig.

 I trust Britain’s direction right now over Canada’s post-national state woke-green apology parade.  The US has also fought harder to protect the interests of its citizens.  They don’t treat their citizens like prisoners and impose obscene carbon taxes on them.

Edited November 3, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[SpankyMcFarland]

20 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Given the collection of losers, liars and incompetents the Canadian people have elected lately why would you want to subject us to a head of state selected in the same manner?

Because we are grown-ups who should choose our own head of state. At least let’s have a Canadian incompetent in there. 

Edited November 3, 2022 by SpankyMcFarland