Contrarian Posted October 20, 2022 Report Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) This is an article which is trending in one application that I read the news: Some deputies from the Canadian province of Quebec, recently elected in provincial elections, refused to swear allegiance to King Charles III, the head of state of Canada, as required by the Canadian Constitution, reports Barrons and Agerpres. Eleven MPs from the left-wing Quebec Solidair party took the oath in a live televised ceremony, "to the people of Quebec", but did not want to say another oath that would bind them to the British monarchy, at the risk of not - he could exercise his mandates in the National Assembly of Quebec at the end of November. A spokesman for the party, Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois, later assured a press conference that they had acted "in full knowledge of the matter". "We campaigned to change the era in Quebec and if we are sent to Parliament, we are sent to open windows," he declared. Friday is the turn of the Parti Québécois to take the oath and the three sovereignist deputies have announced their intention to no longer swear allegiance to the sovereign. The leader of the party, Paul St-Pierre Plamondon, announced last week that it is a "conflict of interests", because "you cannot serve two masters". He denounces the fact that the monarchy costs "67 million Canadian dollars a year" and that this oath is a "reminder of colonial rule". Edited October 20, 2022 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted October 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) This is in the Montreal Gazette now too. With Federal Reactions: In 2019, Québec solidaire proposed to eliminate the swearing of allegiance to the British throne, but the bill was opposed by the Liberal party, and it died on the order paper. Reacting to the controversy in Ottawa, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he has no problem if Quebec wants to make changes to its swearing-in ceremony. He said the issue is entirely within the jurisdiction of the province. “These ceremonies are governed by the assemblies themselves, so the National Assembly has the right to make its own choices on how to swear in its legislators,” Trudeau said. He added that the federal government has no intention of eliminating the swearing-in ceremony to the Crown for sitting MPs, as Canada is a constitutional monarchy, so allegiance to King Charles III means allegiance to the head of state of Canada. For their part, the federal Conservatives said they had no intention of asking for a change in how MPs swear allegiance to the throne.Full Article: https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/quebec-solidaire-mnas-to-refuse-to-swear-allegiance-to-king-charles-iii Edited October 21, 2022 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted October 21, 2022 Report Share Posted October 21, 2022 Too bad the French King and France sold out Quebec for sugar cane and fishing rights. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted October 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 (edited) Another episode in this: Following the left-wing's Québec Solidaire, Parti Québécois members swear oath also only to people of Québec. Members of a second Québec opposition party have refused to swear allegiance to King Charles III, as required by the Canadian Constitution. The three Parti Québécois members elected to the province's legislature earlier this month took an oath of loyalty to the people of Quebec, but not to the monarch, as they were sworn in Friday morning. Leader Paul St-Pierre Plamondon says it doesn't make sense to swear allegiance to both the people of Quebec and to a person he considers a foreign monarch, adding that swearing the oath would be a form of perjury. "An oath has real meaning," St-Pierre Plamondon told the audience of friends, families and other guests in the Red Room. "Who would want to live in a world without meaning … a world where promises can be broken?" Members of all provincial legislatures and the federal Parliament are required to swear an oath to the Crown before taking office, while the second oath to the people of Quebec is required under provincial law.https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/parti-quebecois-refuse-oath-to-king-1.6624933 Edited October 22, 2022 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 (edited) The British won the battle of the Plains of Abraham in 1759 and in 1760 Quebec became part of the British Empire. If these sovereigntists don't like it, too bad. Whether they swear allegiance or not, it will change nothing, except set a bad example for young people and help make them more rebellious against authority. That will just lead to more anarchy and law-breaking in society. Leaders should demonstrate more responsible behavior. Obey the lawful authorities and set a good example. "17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king." 1 Peter 2:17 KJV Edited October 22, 2022 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 Maybe a good first step to ditch the monarchy. Will Quebec lead Canada to become a more united republic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 Ahhh les Quebecois... Such...childish people they can be. I honestly think sometimes, we should cut them lose and just watch them sink into a mire of their own pompous attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) On 10/22/2022 at 4:20 PM, blackbird said: The British won the battle of the Plains of Abraham in 1759 and in 1760 Quebec became part of the British Empire. ... Huh? Wtf? ==== The Prussians defeated the Austrians and at the Treaty of Hubertsburg, they agreed to let the British and French agree in a second treaty in Fontainebleau Canada became English because of a treaty in Europe. Edited October 25, 2022 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) The Seven Years War, 1756-1763, is very interesting. I recommend watching Kubrick's Barry Lyndon. ==== Curious, I went to these battle sites - as I once frequently walked the Plains of Abraham. I quickly understood that this Seven Years War was not between England and France, it was between Prussia and Austria. BTW, Napoleon also fought in similar places. But the battles of Napoleon are huge. It takes a car to see Borodino. The Russians in 1912 put placemarks. You can easily walk to the various markers/regiments of the French/English on the Plains of Abraham. Edited October 25, 2022 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) The Québécois’ French masters signed over Quebec to Britain in a treaty. During the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 Quebec could’ve joined the US. They chose not to after the Yanks came north. They stuck with the Brits through 1867. They had two referendums on becoming independent from Canada and elected to remain in Canada. Why these Quebec politicians won’t accept these democratically chosen political realities speaks to their characters. Petulance abounds in that province. Many Quebeckers know this. The irony of Quebec ethno-nationalism is that Canada freely allows for any province to vote to leave under a clear mandate to leave under the Clarity Act. French language rights and publicly-funded Catholic education are constitutionally protected in the British North America Act and Canadian Constitution. What’s more, the provinces that have kept publicly funded Catholic education are majority Anglophone: Ontario, Saskatchewan, and Alberta. Canada’s constitution, under a British monarch, has retained and protected the Napoleonic and Holy Roman Empire, with language and religious rights. Don’t forget that the Normans (French) took over Britain in 1066, like the Danes, Saxons, and Romans before them. Prussia and Austria may have had an influence on Britain getting control over Canada versus the French early on, but the Brits pushed back their Protestant Prussian friends later on in the Boer War. Canada was a country at that point and fought to protect the British Empire. Also remember that the British Empire became the Commonwealth and was the first truly world civilization. It was multicultural before Pierre Trudeau made it official policy. Victoria was Empress of India and threw a fit when Indian servants weren’t allowed to eat at the table with British politicians. Canada has long accommodated many cultures. Edited October 25, 2022 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 Federal Public servants can either pledge to the King (formerly Queen) or to Canada. I agree with the Quebec MPP's and MP's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) The Bloc Québécois is treasonous. Unless Quebec votes to leave Canada, they must accept the head of state and pledge allegiance to the King of Canada. They shouldn’t have an option. Edited October 26, 2022 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 On 10/24/2022 at 11:24 PM, Nationalist said: Ahhh les Quebecois... Such...childish people they can be. I honestly think sometimes, we should cut them lose and just watch them sink into a mire of their own pompous attitude. I can not state enough the irony of this post from start to finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: The Bloc Québécois is treasonous. Unless Quebec votes to leave Canada, they must accept the head of state and pledge allegiance to the King of Canada. They shouldn’t have an option. Or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: I can not state enough the irony of this post from start to finish. Perhaps you can explain it to me...oh thou of Quebec Over Canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: Or what? Or...be tossed from government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: Perhaps you can explain it to me...oh thou of Quebec Over Canada? Well perhaps if you were self conscious enough, you'd know how pompous you are toward those whom you find inferior to your Anglo heritage in your post from start to finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 23 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: Well perhaps if you were self conscious enough, you'd know how pompous you are toward those whom you find inferior to your Anglo heritage in your post from start to finish. Anglo heritage? Dude...you know jack about my heritage. And what does my heritage have to do with nation building and maintenance? If you don't like the crown...begin a proper lobby to remove us from it. Personally...I think said removal might be beneficial to Canada. But TODAY...Canada acknowledges its relationship with the crown and if one wants to serve in Canada's government, the rules say one must personally acknowledge and pledge to that. If one cannot...for whatever reason...go fly a kite. Would things be different had the French actually won control of Canada? Yes. But they didn't. There nothing you or I can do to change REALITY. And acting like a bunch of post FLQ wannabes is not only embarrassing for the entire nation...but f'ing childish as hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 1 hour ago, QuebecOverCanada said: Or what? Can we bring back the death penalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 So what? I won't take one either. To Canada, the Constitution, the Charter of Rights - no problem. Not to Chucky. Even if no one's devised a better system than we've already got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 4 hours ago, Nationalist said: Anglo heritage? Dude...you know jack about my heritage. And what does my heritage have to do with nation building and maintenance? If you don't like the crown...begin a proper lobby to remove us from it. Personally...I think said removal might be beneficial to Canada. But TODAY...Canada acknowledges its relationship with the crown and if one wants to serve in Canada's government, the rules say one must personally acknowledge and pledge to that. If one cannot...for whatever reason...go fly a kite. Would things be different had the French actually won control of Canada? Yes. But they didn't. There nothing you or I can do to change REALITY. And acting like a bunch of post FLQ wannabes is not only embarrassing for the entire nation...but f'ing childish as hell. Why don't you just accept yourself and your kneeling over the Anglo heritage you defend with your heart? What is so shameful about your loyalty to its Majesty, the King Charles? The magnificient. It seems like I struck a nerve there. Tell us why it is so hard to confirm your submissiveness to the Anglo system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: Can we bring back the death penalty? If I were an MP and would not pledge allegiance to your magnificient king, the only King Charles, would you be okay with killing me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 2 hours ago, herbie said: So what? I won't take one either. To Canada, the Constitution, the Charter of Rights - no problem. Not to Chucky. Even if no one's devised a better system than we've already got. The MPs should have only one allegiance; the good of the People. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 1 hour ago, QuebecOverCanada said: Why don't you just accept yourself and your kneeling over the Anglo heritage you defend with your heart? What is so shameful about your loyalty to its Majesty, the King Charles? The magnificient. It seems like I struck a nerve there. Tell us why it is so hard to confirm your submissiveness to the Anglo system? Why don't you just fcking separate? Good riddance to dirty laundry. The nation is tired of you perpetual bullshit. Quit talking and just go already. Enjoy your "state"... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 43 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Why don't you just fcking separate? Good riddance to dirty laundry. The nation is tired of you perpetual bullshit. Quit talking and just go already. Enjoy your "state"... And you called people who live in Québec pompous... Lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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