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3 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

That's ok, they deomcratically chose this path for themselves. I know some of you leftards cannot fathom the concept of self-determination against globalism.

They have the ability to raise themselves up and cast off the yoke of globalist control. For Canada there is no hope.

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So you people carry on and enjoy your Moo Goo Guy Pan.

Ya they did. Freeeduuumb.

Do you actually thing poverty makes you less controllable? Populist logic.

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Dominic Raab has resigned as the UK’s deputy prime minister and as justice secretary after an official report into bullying allegations found he had acted in an “intimidating” manner towards civil servants.

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Diane Abbott suspended as Labour MP after letter.

MP loses party whip after writing letter suggesting: Jewish, Irish, and Gypsy, Roma and Traveller people had not experienced racism.

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Why don’t conservatives in Canada argue for us to throw off the ‘yoke’ of NAFTA? Makes about as much sense as Brexit. It’s odd to me that so many on the right have become hostile to international agreements that expand the free market.
 

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Brexit “idiocy” is partly to blame for Arm’s decision to choose New York over London for its stock market listing, but a secondary listing in the UK at a later date would make sense, according to a co-founder of the Cambridge-based chip designer.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/may/02/arm-brexit-float-us-hermann-hauser-uk-london

 

And the markets have passed their verdict:

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BREXIT HAS “PERMANENTLY damaged” the UK economy, former Bank of England policymaker Michael Saunders warned as London was deposed as Europe’s biggest stock market.

The French stock market now has a combined value of 2.823 trillion US dollars, marginally above the UK stock market which is worth 2.821 trillion US dollars altogether, according to figures from Bloomberg.

In 2016, the year of the Brexit referendum, British stocks were collectively worth 1.5 trillion US dollars more than those listed in Paris.

As well as shifting consumer patterns, the market capitalisation calculations also reflect currency movements, with the pound dropping 13% in value against the US dollar this year while the euro has fallen by a milder 9.2% against the American currency.

Meanwhile, the success of the UK’s independent trade policy – one of the key reasons for leaving the European Union for many Brexit-supporters – was also questioned by Tory former Cabinet minister George Eustice, who said an agreement reached with Australia was not “a very good deal” for the UK.

The economic impact of the decision to leave the EU was blamed by Saunders for the scale of the tax rises and spending cuts that Chancellor Jeremy Hunt is set to unveil on Thursday.

Saunders, a former external member of the Monetary Policy Committee, told Bloomberg TV there had been a “chaotic period” since the 2016 referendum.

“The UK economy as a whole has been permanently damaged by Brexit,” he said.

 

 

“It has reduced the economy’s potential output significantly, eroded business investment.

 

https://www.thejournal.ie/paris-london-stock-exchange-brexit-5919971-Nov2022/

 

 

 

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On 3/17/2023 at 10:01 PM, OftenWrong said:

That's ok, they deomcratically chose this path for themselves. I know some of you leftards cannot fathom the concept of self-determination against globalism.

They have the ability to raise themselves up and cast off the yoke of globalist control. For Canada there is no hope.


The British were always perfectly free to leave the EU which made all those EUSSR etc. analogies so absurd. All trade agreements involve agreeing to some restrictions in sovereignty. Should Canada leave NAFTA? 

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Should Canada leave NAFTA?

New trade agreements are made and broken continually. If all they involve is trade, that shouldn't be an issue. If they involve imposition of other things tied to that trade, it can become an issue. I'm talking about politics.

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17 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

New trade agreements are made and broken continually. If all they involve is trade, that shouldn't be an issue. If they involve imposition of other things tied to that trade, it can become an issue. I'm talking about politics.

Brexit is costing Britain money and jobs. As a pro-business person, how much of that are you willing to give up for some abstract idea of freedom?

Let me answer the question I posed: Canada should not leave NAFTA. It’s not some everyday trade deal we can take or leave. Despite the unpleasantness of negotiating with a far more powerful country and giving up some of our autonomy, it is vital to our interests. 

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4 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Brexit is costing Britain money and jobs. As a pro-business person, how much of that are you willing to give up for some abstract idea of freedom?

Let me answer the question I posed: Canada should not leave NAFTA. Despite the unpleasantness of negotiating with a far more powerful country and giving up some of our autonomy, it is vital to our interests. 

I understand your point. No need to reiterate but my point is they chose their future. Not being a Brit I can't speak to the primary motivation. I can only surmise. Understanding history can give some perspective on the culture of today. British pride has always been a thing, for centuries. It is what drove them to become the number-one world superpower. They fought the Germans to within an inch of their lives. Many a nobleman would choke on his pudding at the very thought of handing the reigns of power over to the hun, I'll wager.

 

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For me the important question in any international trade zone agreement is, do the other nations share our basic values regarding democracy, liberty and the rule of law? There may be other reasons for rejecting a treaty but these are essential requirements. As a totalitarian, mercantilist state, China does not see the world as we do and we should thus be leery of any deal with them. 

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2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

For me the important question in any international trade zone agreement is, do the other nations share our basic values regarding democracy, liberty and the rule of law? There may be other reasons for rejecting a treaty but these are essential requirements. As a totalitarian, mercantilist state, China does not see the world as we do and we should thus be leery of any deal with them. 

I agree and yet we are not. While I can't prove it, I'll bet most Canadians would prefer to buy and sell with countries that are ethical and humanitarian in principle. But the hallmark of capitalism is based on a saying from a wise man. "Economics Trumps Virtue." 

In a way I suspect this has something to do with Brexit. Brits have made for themselves a categorical imperative: No, it does not.

They rejected woke EU leadership making demands on member countries to adopt their vision of a just society. 

Just look at Germany now. The outcome of unfettered leftism speaks for itself.

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When a party has been in power too long, there’s a definite trend towards silliness. Here’s a Welsh Tory reminiscing about the good old days when people considered it perfectly normal to swim in sewage:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-65615711

Of course, the obvious parallel is the Four Yorkshiremen sketch:

 

 

 

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