Russian Army collapsing - the unsurprising failure of a police-state

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Except...of course...I don't believe a word I read from the MSM, and I don't remember anyone saying the helicopter actually bombed or sabotaged "from the air" at all. Do you?

Well then what could it have been doing?  Tracking Russian subs maybe?  I’ll bet it’s like Red October out there right now in the Baltic, NATO and Russia fleets playing cat and mouse. 

[Nationalist]

32 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Well then what could it have been doing?  Tracking Russian subs maybe?  I’ll bet it’s like Red October out there right now in the Baltic, NATO and Russia fleets playing cat and mouse. 

Perhaps but none of us know. What we do know, is that this helicopter was hovering over both sites on Sept 2. It "proves" nothing. But it is very suspicious. And...it's the only info we have...which happens to coinside with Biden's mouth flapping.

[BeaverFever]

33 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Perhaps but none of us know. What we do know, is that this helicopter was hovering over both sites on Sept 2. It "proves" nothing. But it is very suspicious. And...it's the only info we have...which happens to coinside with Biden's mouth flapping.

No it was not “hovering over both sites”. In fact it was nowhere near either:

 

On September 2, the flight tracker shows a flight route near Bornholm, which actually corresponds to the image posted on social media. Flight FFAB123 flew in several loops over the Baltic Sea east of the island of Bornholm. If one superimposes the geo-coordinates of the gas leaks and flight route on a map, however, a different picture emerges than that claimed in the social media posts.  FFAB123 did not fly along the pipeline and did not even come close to the locations of the gas leaks. In particular, the northern gas leaks are far from FFAB123's flight path. According to our measurements, the flight path of FFAB123 was nine or 30 kilometers (5 or 18 miles) respectively away from the localized gas leaks.

 

 

 

https://amp.dw.com/en/fact-check-us-helicopter-flight-no-proof-of-sabotage-of-nord-stream-pipeline/a-63295189

[Nationalist]

41 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

No it was not “hovering over both sites”. In fact it was nowhere near either:

 

On September 2, the flight tracker shows a flight route near Bornholm, which actually corresponds to the image posted on social media. Flight FFAB123 flew in several loops over the Baltic Sea east of the island of Bornholm. If one superimposes the geo-coordinates of the gas leaks and flight route on a map, however, a different picture emerges than that claimed in the social media posts.  FFAB123 did not fly along the pipeline and did not even come close to the locations of the gas leaks. In particular, the northern gas leaks are far from FFAB123's flight path. According to our measurements, the flight path of FFAB123 was nine or 30 kilometers (5 or 18 miles) respectively away from the localized gas leaks.

 

 

 

https://amp.dw.com/en/fact-check-us-helicopter-flight-no-proof-of-sabotage-of-nord-stream-pipeline/a-63295189

As I said...I don't believe a word from the MSM or anything from these "fact checkers". And why? Because they've EARNED mistrust. And that's that I'm afraid.

Edited October 14, 2022 by Nationalist

[BeaverFever]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

As I said...I don't believe a word from the MSM or anything from these "fact checkers". And why? Because they've EARNED mistrust. And that's that I'm afraid.

But Putin hasn’t earned your mistrust??  Lmao

[Nationalist]

19 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

But Putin hasn’t earned your mistrust??  Lmao

Yes. I don't trust any of the bastards...that includes NATO. 

All I want is to stay the hell out of this Slavic civil war. It's none of our business and the longer this goes on, the more people die.

Sue for negotiated peace now.

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Yes. I don't trust any of the bastards...that includes NATO. 

All I want is to stay the hell out of this Slavic civil war. It's none of our business and the longer this goes on, the more people die.

Sue for negotiated peace now.

You honestly don’t believe the west is any more trustworthy than Putin?  How many people have western leaders thrown out of windows for publicly criticizing them?  You obviously believe Putin’s claims are more believable than anything claimed by the west, you spout it at every turn!

The US doesn’t have the best record invading foreign countries thanks to 3 of the last 4 Republicans but how many times have western nations literally tried to annex another country’s territory?  Y

 

Did you call for negotiated peace with Islamic terrorists after 9/11?  I bet not. 

Edited October 14, 2022 by BeaverFever

[Moonbox]

15 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Did you call for negotiated peace with Islamic terrorists after 9/11?  I bet not. 

Did he call for restraint or negotiated peace when the invasion started, or was it only after Russia's impotent army derped into a wall and found itself pathetically losing against a much smaller enemy. 

 

 

[BeaverFever]

24 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Did he call for restraint or negotiated peace when the invasion started, or was it only after Russia's impotent army derped into a wall and found itself pathetically losing against a much smaller enemy. 

 

 

Only after Russia started losing of course. He had no concerns about peace or the number of deaths before then. 

[BeaverFever]

Retreating Russian troops are arming Ukraine with modern T-90 tanks as Putin's army digs 60-year-old armor out of storage, Ukraine's military say

 

 

 

"Thanks to the generosity of the russian federation, the first batch of new T-90A tanks entered into service with #UAarmy," Ukraine's defense ministry said on social media Thursday, mockingly calling the move "particularly generous because at the same time the ruscists are launching a program to restore 60-year-old T-62 tanks for their own armed forces."

 

 

Russia has touted the T-90, a modern weapon born out of a T-72 modernization program in the final years of the Soviet Union that has been upgraded repeatedly over time, as one of the most advanced tanks in its arsenal, but even with capable tanks, Russian armor forces have faced setbacks and substantial losses in Ukraine.

Russian forces have lost lots of modern equipment throughout the devastating war in Ukraine and have been forced to pull old and obsolete tanks — like the T-62 referenced by Ukraine's military — from storage. The T-62 is a Soviet-era main battle tank that was eventually replaced by the T-72 and can be seen on display in some museums.

 

 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You honestly don’t believe the west is any more trustworthy than Putin?  How many people have western leaders thrown out of windows for publicly criticizing them?  You obviously believe Putin’s claims are more believable than anything claimed by the west, you spout it at every turn!

The US doesn’t have the best record invading foreign countries thanks to 3 of the last 4 Republicans but how many times have western nations literally tried to annex another country’s territory?  Y

 

Did you call for negotiated peace with Islamic terrorists after 9/11?  I bet not. 

No. Trust is earned. The western establishment has lost my trust. But you make the grand leap from that to...I obviously believe Putin? That is  very dumb. Why must I trust either? I do not. What I trust, is my family and my own senses. Not always in that order, as I have 20-something kids.

The US is about to land its military into Haiti. They install governments in banana republics all the time.

As for 9/11...I knew the second I saw...live on TV no less...that second plane barrel into the WTC, that it had CIA written all over it. Then that farce of a 9/11 report came out and I had no doubt.

Do you realize the great Al Qaida was a US creation to fight the Russians in Afghanistan? Ya...they financed Osama bin Laden and his gang for years.

Beave...raw truth is a scary thing. In many cases, it's horrible. The Bay of Tonkin...another gem.

I maintain faith in people though. I have to because the alternative is to simply give up and go along with whatever blatant lies were all fed daily.

And I'm too stubborn for that.

Edited October 14, 2022 by Nationalist

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Did he call for restraint or negotiated peace when the invasion started, or was it only after Russia's impotent army derped into a wall and found itself pathetically losing against a much smaller enemy. 

 

 

Yes as a matter of fact...I did, slimeball.

[sharkman]

On 10/12/2022 at 10:06 AM, sharkman said:

Okay, here's a summary of Russia's response, a direct result of the bridge explosion. 

 

- Most of Ukraine is without electricity.  Four main substations were hit, repairs could take months.

- Most of Ukraine is without running water.

- Critical infrastructure items hit.

- The Secret Police of Ukraine building hit, Berkut(SBU).

- Analyst cells that developed intel for Ukraine were hit

- Hitting Polish forces that were massing in preparation of attacking the annexed land.

- 80% of Ukraine's air defenses, NASAM systems, taken out.

These precision strikes illustrate that Russia was indeed showing restraint previously, and that there isn't anything going on in Ukraine that Moscow doesn't know about.  Also there is nothing they can't hit if they choose to. 

Colonel Douglas MacGregor, former senior advisor to the Secretary of Defense, was interviewed with the following highlights.  For the previous 7 months of this war, Putin has shown restraint as this is another Slavic nation.  Russia's ground forces have only had about 20% of their numbers in Ukraine.  After the first 4 months, the Ukraine army(which the west built to attack Russia) was largely destroyed. 

What's defending Ukraine now is a mix of volunteer and militia forces along with some allies such as the Chechens and mercenary groups.  But after waiting for the possibility of a negotiated end to the conflict, the Kremlin has concluded that no such end is possible(My view:  this may be why they annexed the land under dispute and then lowered the boom on Ukraine after the bridge was blown up).

So now we are dealing with a different Russia.  202 missile strikes attacking specific targets all over Ukraine.  They have always been able to do this, but refrained until now.  Once the ground freezes, there may well be some major Russian offenses to take out what remains of Ukraine's defenders.

 

 

All you NATO bitches really need to get a grip on reality...although it’s probably going to be more fun Watching your heads explode when the US runs out of money and there’s no one else to bail out Ukraine.

We could actually see Putin pull a reverse Reagan on America.

[BeaverFever]

8 hours ago, Nationalist said:

As for 9/11...I knew the second I saw...live on TV no less...that second plane barrel into the WTC, that it had CIA written all over it.

*mic drop*
 

?

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

*mic drop*
 

?

I see you think that's funny. Unfortunately it happened to be the CIA who funded the perps in learning to fly planes into buildings.

You should...maybe pick up your mic...

Edited October 14, 2022 by Nationalist

[BeaverFever]

19 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I see you think that's funny. Unfortunately it happened to be the CIA who funded the perps in learning to fly planes into buildings.

You should...maybe pick up your mic...

That’s Republican mismanagement under Reagan and Bush Sr with the likes of traitors like Ollie North feeding monsters they can’t control. They funded the Taliban, Al Qaeda, the Colombian and Latin American drug cartels and deaths squads during the Cold War. Anyone in the world who was willing to kill another human being for possibly being 6 degrees of separation from a possible socialist got money weapons and/or cocaine, and/or a free pass to traffic cocaine into the US from Reagan-Bush. The Republican brain trust  said “how could this possibly be a bad idea?”

But to believe that 9/11 is an inside job just proves you to be another hilarious crackpot conspiracy kook beyond all reason  

 

 

Edited October 14, 2022 by BeaverFever

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

That’s Republican mismanagement under Reagan and Bush Sr with the likes of traitors like Ollie North feeding monsters they can’t control. They funded the Taliban, Al Qaeda, the Colombian and Latin American drug cartels and deaths squads during the Cold War. Anyone in the world who was willing to kill another human being for possibly being 6 degrees of separation from a possible socialist got money weapons and/or cocaine from Reagan-Bush,  who said “how could this possibly be a bad idea?”

But to believe that 9/11 is an inside job just proves you to be another hilarious crackpot conspiracy kook beyond all reason  

 

 

Well then Beave...there are a lot of us "crackpots". The facts speak for themselves. Except in the 9/11 report where there were several hundred pages of nothingness.

[Boges]

17 hours ago, Nationalist said:

You're slime.! That's all there is to it Sally.

Excellent retort to being directly quoted. ?

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Well then Beave...there are a lot of us "crackpots". The facts speak for themselves. Except in the 9/11 report where there were several hundred pages of nothingness.

Oh! You're also a 911 Truther. Well there goes any credibility you may have had. 

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

Oh! You're also a 911 Truther. Well there goes any credibility you may have had. 

I don't need nor want your approval Boges. I tend to shy away from those who are wrong continuously.

Edited October 14, 2022 by Nationalist

[BeaverFever]

13 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Well then Beave...there are a lot of us "crackpots"

Finally you said something that’s correct. Even though there’s a lot of you, you’re still a fringe minority with zero credibility. How many of your Putin-admiring, Big Lie believing colleagues on this site are also Truthers?  Let’s find out!

[Boges]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I don't need nor want your approval Boges. I tend to shy away from those who are wrong continuously.

Wrong like believing planes flying into a building to bring buildings down was planned by the US government and no one saw any of the prep! 

 

[Boges]

18 hours ago, taxme said:

I have not counted out Putin just yet. I believe that Putin will win his fight with the corrupt Nazi Zelensky regime. Corrupt Zelensky would have lost the war already if it were not for the NATO members feeding him cash and military equipment. 

And why is NATO giving all this aid to Ukraine anyway? Why is the west so eager to support Ukraine? Why should we the people in the west give a shit about this war going on between Russia and Ukraine? I last heard that the chosen globalist ones have an interest in Zelensky and need to keep his Fascist regime up and running. There is more to this feud than what we are being told. I never can really trust the western media nor our politicians anymore and what they say. They both have pretty much become professional liars and bull shitters. Just my opinion of course. ?

At least some people aren't trying to claim they aren't a Pro-Putin Jock Sniffer. 

[BeaverFever]

18 hours ago, taxme said:

I have not counted out Putin just yet. I believe that Putin will win his fight with the corrupt Nazi Zelensky regime. Corrupt Zelensky would have lost the war already if it were not for the NATO members feeding him cash and military equipment. 

And why is NATO giving all this aid to Ukraine anyway? Why is the west so eager to support Ukraine? Why should we the people in the west give a shit about this war going on between Russia and Ukraine? I last heard that the chosen globalist ones have an interest in Zelensky and need to keep his Fascist regime up and running. There is more to this feud than what we are being told. I never can really trust the western media nor our politicians anymore and what they say. They both have pretty much become professional liars and bull shitters. Just my opinion of course. ?

Do you also believe 9/11 was carried out by the CIA like your friend @Nationalist?

[Boges]

I'm interested to hear member Nationalists theories on the shape of the Earth. ?