Russian Army collapsing - the unsurprising failure of a police-state

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Awe Muffin! Someone's projecting. 

Can bear the fact that Putin might be losing. 

 

I'm more impressed that you can be sold a ticket to ride so easily.

[Boges]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

I'm more impressed that you can be sold a ticket to ride so easily.

It begs the question, what information what could convince you of the reality of this war?

Footage of Putin hanged in the streets? 

[Nationalist]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

 

One of them wanted proof that the Russian army is well equipped. I have to stand in awe at the effectiveness of the Western media at convincing people that war with Russia will be a walk in the park.

I think all these Libbies howling for an escalation of this war, need to go fight. Learn what it is they're advocating for. Maybe even get capped a couple times. But they won't. Like in the event of a bar brawl...they'll all hide under tables.

The effemininity of these fools is...monumental.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

I think all these Libbies howling for an escalation of this war, need to go fight. Learn what it is they're advocating for. Maybe even get capped a couple times. But they won't. Like in the event of a bar brawl...they'll all hide under tables.

The effemininity of these fools is...monumental.

 

We only know what the Ukrainians tell us which is victory piled atop more victory. We're really getting our billions worth out of these guys. Send them some more money. Weapons, too.

Russian media is censored if not banned. Well it's all lies, anyways...right?

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[Boges]

14 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I think all these Libbies howling for an escalation of this war, need to go fight. Learn what it is they're advocating for. Maybe even get capped a couple times. But they won't. Like in the event of a bar brawl...they'll all hide under tables.

The effemininity of these fools is...monumental.

It's such a dumb opinion. It doesn't even track logically. 

We are all appalled by the invasion of Ukraine. We aren't sending troops in to die, but support Ukraine in defence of its homeland. 

You come in here with the moronic take that supporting Ukraine's defence is warmongering. 

And that supporting Ukraine is effeminate because we won't join the fight. Which you say you don't want. 

DUMB! 

Edited October 6, 2022 by Boges

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, Boges said:

It's such a dumb opinion. It doesn't even track logically. 

We are all appalled by the invasion of Ukraine. We aren't sending troops in to die, but support Ukraine in defence of its homeland. 

You come in here with the moronic take that supporting Ukraine's defence is warmongering. 

And that supporting Ukraine is effeminate because we won't join the fight. Which you say you don't want. 

DUMB! 

You want an example of DUMB? OK.

NATO rejected Ukraine's entry application...but you want NATO to fund and provide arms to Ukraine so the old men who they wouldn't allow to leave, can continue to inch forward to Nuclear war.

[Moonbox]

On 10/5/2022 at 8:29 AM, Nationalist said:

Johnson came and the deal was scrapped.!

Yes.  That's the chronology of how the events unfolded. Johnson came to Ukraine and then afterwards the deal was scrapped.  The deal was not scrapped solely because Johnson came to Ukraine.  As the articles YOU LINKED and referred to pointed out, the massacre at Bucha and Russia's newly discovered weakness entirely changed the math around whatever the deal was.  

On 10/5/2022 at 8:29 AM, Nationalist said:

As for those pipelines, I don't think we'll ever be informed who done it. And that will make it obvious. 

It will make what obvious?  

[Boges]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

You want an example of DUMB? OK.

NATO rejected Ukraine's entry application...but you want NATO to fund and provide arms to Ukraine so the old men who they wouldn't allow to leave, can continue to inch forward to Nuclear war.

That's what all of NATO is doing. They aren't fighting which they would have had to do if Ukraine joined NATO. 

In fact they would have had to do it in 2014 when Ukraine annexed Crimea. 

Your "fear" of Nuclear war leads you to be an appeaser. The same type of person that allowed Hilter to gain power. You're a Neville Chamberlain. 

[Moonbox]

27 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I think all these Libbies howling for an escalation of this war, need to go fight. Learn what it is they're advocating for. Maybe even get capped a couple times. But they won't. Like in the event of a bar brawl...they'll all hide under tables.

By the same logic, you should go join Russia's army and support their invasion, since that's what you're doing here.  Father Putin will be so pleased with you.  Good doggy.  

[Aristides]

15 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Attrition is its own result. Even if the Russians think that it's 1942 suddenly...and start doing the human wave attacks of yore, their opponent is going to take casualties. For how long? Well it's a bit like besieging a castle at that point. How many attacks can one's veteran elite troops take? How long does the ammo last?

Reality is that the Russian Army is well equipped. As well equipped as the other guys and more-so. But if it cheers you up to to think it's still 1942, yourself...have at it...it's a privilege of war.

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If the Russian army is so big and well equipped, why is it getting its ass kicked?

It isn't 1942, Russians are not fighting on their own soil for their own survival, Ukraine is. The ammo will last as long as the west keeps supplying it and they keep capturing Russian stocks. Russia also won't be able to to use human wave attacks, people won't stand for it, hence lines miles long to leave the country and major protests. Russia has its own refugee problem, military age males fleeing Russia.

History tells us the Russian monarchy was toppled when the army finally turned on the Czar during a poorly conducted war that was going badly. Ring a bell?

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

If the Russian army is so big and well equipped, why is it getting its ass kicked?

It isn't 1942, Russians are not fighting on their own soil for their own survival, Ukraine is. The ammo will last as long as the west keeps supplying it and they keep capturing Russian stocks. Russia also won't be able to to use human wave attacks, people won't stand for it, hence lines miles long to leave the country and major protests. Russia has its own refugee problem, military age males fleeing Russia.

History tells us the Russian monarchy was toppled when the army finally turned on the Czar during a poorly conducted war that was going badly. Ring a bell?

The Putin family soon getting the Romanov treatment. 

[Moonbox]

10 minutes ago, Boges said:

Your "fear" of Nuclear war leads you to be an appeaser. The same type of person that allowed Hilter to gain power. You're a Neville Chamberlain. 

Weak, effeminate Neville Chamberlain ?

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

I think all these Libbies howling for an escalation of this war, need to go fight. Learn what it is they're advocating for. Maybe even get capped a couple times. But they won't. Like in the event of a bar brawl...they'll all hide under tables.

The effemininity of these fools is...monumental.

Anyone who isn’t calling for PUTIN to immediately and unconditionally withdraw from the Ukraine should have to go and fight because calling for anything less is support for Putin’s unjustified and illegal invasion. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

It's such a dumb opinion. It doesn't even track logically. 

We are all appalled by the invasion of Ukraine. We aren't sending troops in to die, but support Ukraine in defence of its homeland. 

You come in here with the moronic take that supporting Ukraine's defence is warmongering. 

And that supporting Ukraine is effeminate because we won't join the fight. Which you say you don't want. 

DUMB! 

These blathering Putin-invasion supporters like @Nationalist and @DogOnPorchare desperately trying any argument they can think of, throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks.  
 

Pretending to be pacifists is just their latest most desperate schtick, like we haven’t been reading their Pro-Putin nonsense and Kremlin copy-paste for over 7 months now. 
 

Their latest idiotic argument attempt, that you’re not allowed to denounce illegal invasions and massacres of civilians and support those who defend against it unless you’re willing to fight on the front, is like saying you’re not allowed to speak out against crime unless you’re willing to become a policeman.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

That's what all of NATO is doing. They aren't fighting which they would have had to do if Ukraine joined NATO. 

In fact they would have had to do it in 2014 when Ukraine annexed Crimea. 

Your "fear" of Nuclear war leads you to be an appeaser. The same type of person that allowed Hilter to gain power. You're a Neville Chamberlain. 

Did Hitler have and threaten to use Nukes? No.

Your comparison is shallow and exhibits little to no understanding of either history or current affairs. All you appear to know is the drivel you're spoon fed by losers like Biden and his CNN cronies.

Which makes you an irresponsible dope.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Weak, effeminate Neville Chamberlain ?

Go fight, girly-boy. No? Didn't think so...

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

We only know what the Ukrainians tell us which is victory piled atop more victory. We're really getting our billions worth out of these guys. Send them some more money. Weapons, too.

Russian media is censored if not banned. Well it's all lies, anyways...right?

?

Of course. RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA...

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Did Hitler have and threaten to use Nukes? No.

Your comparison is shallow and exhibits little to no understanding of either history or current affairs.

Wow.  Talk about projecting your own failures on others.  If you can't see the parallel between Hitler and Czechoslovakia, and then Putin and the Donbass, you're a special little boy.  

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

All you appear to know is the drivel you're spoon fed by losers like Biden and his CNN cronies.

and all of the other sources in Europe, the middle east, south-east asia, south america etc.  

Getting your news from Telegram is so much better ?

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Go fight, girly-boy. No? Didn't think so...

This is a funny coping mechanism.  Poor little Nationalist.  Everything he thought he knew about Stronk Putin the hero of conspiracy clowns everywhere, is being proven wrong.  

[Infidel Dog]

Here's where the war effort stood yesterday:

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Ukrainian forces maintain steady progress and liberated another bunch of settlements in Kherson, Kharkiv and also Luhansk Oblast. Ukrainians also continue to successfully defend the remaining parts of frontline and don’t allow Russians to advance and capture new positions.

https://militaryland.net/news/invasion-day-224-summary/

So the Ukrainian counter-offensive is still enjoying some success.

However, 2 things are coming - winter and a massive increase in Russian troops by the end of that winter.

[Infidel Dog]

On the other hand, the Ukraine has all winter to re-arm.

[BeaverFever]

9 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Here's where the war effort stood yesterday:

https://militaryland.net/news/invasion-day-224-summary/

So the Ukrainian counter-offensive is still enjoying some success.

However, 2 things are coming - winter and a massive increase in Russian troops by the end of that winter.

Those raw Russian conscripts aren’t going to have a jolly time in the winter either, especially given Russian supply and logistics problems.  
 

Wearing a second-hand winter coat that still has the bloodstains and bullet holes from the conscript who had it a few days before you probably won’t be great for esprit de corps

[Moonbox]

17 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Here's where the war effort stood yesterday:

https://militaryland.net/news/invasion-day-224-summary/

So the Ukrainian counter-offensive is still enjoying some success.

However, 2 things are coming - winter and a massive increase in Russian troops by the end of that winter.

The massive increase in Russian troops will not yield much.  Poorly motivated conscripts will not turn the tide, especially considering the quality and cohesiveness of their standing professional forces has proven itself lacking.  These conscripts will be an order of magnitude worse.  If we suppose they go through proper training (which will take several months, rather than weeks), they'll trickle in because Russia at present doesn't have the infrastructure and institutions to maintain or train large battle-ready reserves.   

I suspect the strategy here is to throw these conscripts into the conflict zones with minimal training in the hopes of gumming up the Ukrainian offensive and buying Russia time for winter or for larger strategic adjustments to Putin's mobilization efforts.  

 

  

[Aristides]

This assumes Ukraine is not capable of a winter campaign. So far their capabilities have surprised many "experts". No one expected this to last 8 months and counting, let alone Ukraine being on the offensive.

[Boges]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Did Hitler have and threaten to use Nukes? No.

Your comparison is shallow and exhibits little to no understanding of either history or current affairs. All you appear to know is the drivel you're spoon fed by losers like Biden and his CNN cronies.

Which makes you an irresponsible dope.

And who spoon feeds you your drivel? Oh right! The Kremlin. 

You totally think Appeasing Putin is a good idea and he'll totally stop at Annexing Ukraine. I hear Moldova has a lot of Russians too. 

[Infidel Dog]

17 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

The massive increase in Russian troops will not yield much.  Poorly motivated conscripts will not turn the tide, especially considering the quality and cohesiveness of their standing professional forces has proven itself lacking.  These conscripts will be an order of magnitude worse.  If we suppose they go through proper training (which will take several months, rather than weeks), they'll trickle in because Russia at present doesn't have the infrastructure and institutions to maintain or train large battle-ready reserves.   

I suspect the strategy here is to throw these conscripts into the conflict zones with minimal training in the hopes of gumming up the Ukrainian offensive and buying Russia time for winter or for larger strategic adjustments to Putin's mobilization efforts.  

 

  

They'll have the winter to train and re-equip though.

Beave makes a valid point about supply lines being cut in some areas, but they can train closer to Russia and wait for spring.

I heard the expectation was the Ukrainian counter-offensive would slow and possibly even stop in the winter from a Ukrainian analyst.