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Russian Army collapsing - the unsurprising failure of a police-state


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41 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

We hear very little about what the Russians are actually doing on the battlefield. Only a few Western independent media are reporting from behind Russian lines.

It’s hard to report from behind Russian lines. As soon as reporters go behind Russian lines and want to film Russian troops that damn Ukrainian army shows up, pushes the line 10 miles back and all the Russians are dead or captured.
 

But you do get to see a lot of abandoned Russian bodies left where they fell by their terrified retreating comrades and the captured Russian weapons are shown to be in pristine condition, you know, having never been fired and only dropped once. 

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Just now, BeaverFever said:

It’s hard to report from behind Russian lines. As soon as reporters go behind Russian lines and want to film Russian troops that damn Ukrainian army shows up, pushes the line 10 miles back and all the Russians are dead or captured.
 

But you do get to see a lot of abandoned Russian bodies left where they fell by their terrified retreating comrades and the captured Russian weapons are shown to be in pristine shape, you know, having never been fired and only dropped once. 

 

Moscow by Christmas, eh?

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4 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

I think the twin idiots of Blinken and Biden were clear enough as to who was behind the destruction of Europe's gas supply.

Of course they did. Neither has any use for their brains except as something so sit on.

Biden's old and perhaps has an excuse...perhaps...

But this Blinken character? What a fcking dope!

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3 hours ago, Aristides said:

So obviously you didn't read it. You post stuff but won't read the article it was based on written by the same people who said there was a deal pending.

 

Who isn't against this folly except Putin and his enablers. The ones who started it.

I read fine. Johnson came...the deal died.!

You can spend eternity with your...'what ifs' and 'could have beens'...but the actuality is...Johnson came...the deal died.!

How do you know what Putin is "for"? Frankly...witnessing the shallowness of your comprehension...do you actually know anything? Or do you just read the NYT and believe its BS?

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15 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Then that alone is what you should be calling for, not Ukraines unconditional  surrender and months of negotiating the details of ceding stolen territory 

I want the fighting to end and the threat of nuclear war removed. I will always contend that the "blame" for this mess, lies with all 3 players.

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48 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I want the fighting to end and the threat of nuclear war removed. I will always contend that the "blame" for this mess, lies with all 3 players.

Oh yes you’re such a pacifist I’m sure that’s your only motive. 
 

Russia and Russia alone is to blame for Russia’s actions, which Russia chose to take. 

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3 hours ago, sharkman said:

Yeah, do you see the potential problem with that?  And I said:  by and large...not all media.

 

Definitely controlled media. Back in World War II, the Nazi press broadcasted glowing reports daily out of Stalingrad about how the winning just wouldn't stop and that the Red Army was on the brink of total collapse. Even Hitler got in on it boasting on radio that he could afford to take his time and savor the inevitable victory that was just around the corner.

This feels a LOT like that. Is it? We're not sure...none of us. The Ukrainian Army is nowhere near as big as the Russian Army...just saying.

 

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46 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Definitely controlled media. Back in World War II, the Nazi press broadcasted glowing reports daily out of Stalingrad about how the winning just wouldn't stop and that the Red Army was on the brink of total collapse. Even Hitler got in on it boasting on radio that he could afford to take his time and savor the inevitable victory that was just around the corner.

This feels a LOT like that. Is it? We're not sure...none of us. The Ukrainian Army is nowhere near as big as the Russian Army...just saying.

 

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Well this has one thing in common with Stalingrad, the Russians shoving poorly trained and equipped troops into a meat grinder. Next they will sending in unarmed troops telling then to take the weapons of those already killed. A fundamental difference here is that it is the Ukrainians fighting on their own soil for their own survival, not Russians. The Ukrainians are better trained, better equipped and more motivated.

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1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

This feels a LOT like that. Is it? We're not sure...none of us. The Ukrainian Army is nowhere near as big as the Russian Army...just saying.

 

OK but Putin, in his own words, called for an additional mobilization and these desperate annexations. 

Also, a professional army defending its homeland > a bunch of conscripts thrown into the meat grinder. 

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1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Well this has one thing in common with Stalingrad, the Russians shoving poorly trained and equipped troops into a meat grinder. Next they will sending in unarmed troops telling then to take the weapons of those already killed. A fundamental difference here is that it is the Ukrainians fighting on their own soil for their own survival, not Russians. The Ukrainians are better trained, better equipped and more motivated.

 

The Red Army by late 1942 was still ultimately led by Political Commissars of the NKVD. Many didn't even have a military background but did manage to survive the Great Purge*. The Army itself came in two flavors. Guards and all others. Basically veterans and green units. Some units only existed on paper, but played-up the division level chatter to confuse the Germans. Quite an alien way of doing things next to other Allied armies. But it worked for them up to a point.

It was only after victory at Stalingrad that regular rank and insignias began to be used once more. The NKVD lost their command positions. From there it became quite a professional force for its massive size with numerous great commanders coming to the forefront. But they needed those big American trucks...couldn't move without them eventually as the Soviets loved their BIG artillery. The Bomber Campaign certainly helped their efforts the most, though. Drawing the majority of the Luftwaffe away from helping the troops on the ground and into defending German cities.

*Khrushchev was one of those NKVD types.

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39 minutes ago, Boges said:

OK but Putin, in his own words, called for an additional mobilization and these desperate annexations. 

Also, a professional army defending its homeland > a bunch of conscripts thrown into the meat grinder. 

 

Attrition is its own result. Even if the Russians think that it's 1942 suddenly...and start doing the human wave attacks of yore, their opponent is going to take casualties. For how long? Well it's a bit like besieging a castle at that point. How many attacks can one's veteran elite troops take? How long does the ammo last?

Reality is that the Russian Army is well equipped. As well equipped as the other guys and more-so. But if it cheers you up to to think it's still 1942, yourself...have at it...it's a privilege of war.

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