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3 hours ago, robosmith said:

It is you who is holding on to ^this childish STORY which cannot be proven.

In an infinite universe, EVERYTHING can and WILL happen through completely random processes.

Maybe some day you will understand, but I highly doubt it because you believe you already KNOW the answer is the story about god(s) that were invented to lessen the anxiety of the ancients who invented a god to explain the sun and everything else they didn't understand. 

Your "scientist" started with BELIEF, and then searched for and invented a semi-rational explanation he calls science.

You give all the signs of an atheist.   Very clear in your comments.

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3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Do you even know what agnostic means? True reasoning is based on accepted FACTS. I do NOT accept god's existence as FACT, nor do I claim the opposite is FACT. It is UNPROVEN and thus UNKNOWN. 

You just further give evidence of being an atheist.   You do not accept God's existence as fact you say.  There it is.  

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7 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Do you even know what agnostic means? True reasoning is based on accepted FACTS. I do NOT accept god's existence as FACT, nor do I claim the opposite is FACT. It is UNPROVEN and thus UNKNOWN. 

Only in your mind is it unproven and unknown.  Any reasonable person can see the evidence all around them in the creation.  But you are blinded by Satanic powers.

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9 minutes ago, robosmith said:

LMAO So childish. WTH are "satanic powers"? Do you have evidence of them?

I'd really like to see that. LMAO

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According to Scripture, Satan does the following things to keep those who have not believed in Christ in spiritual darkness.

1. Deny His Existence

One of the favorite ways in which Satan operates is to get people to deny that he exists. He seems to be most effective when people do not believe there is such a creature as the Devil. If he can get people to doubt his existence, then he can do much of his work without their knowing.

Disguise

We find from the Bible that Satan has often approached people in disguise. For example, in the Garden of Eden he came in the form of a serpent to Adam and Eve (Genesis 3). Paul warned the Corinthians that he appears as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14).

To His Advantage

This unbelief in his existence works to Satan's advantage. When people are either uniformed or misinformed about the existence of the Devil, they become like the Sadducees in Jesus' day, who did not believe in angels or spirits. When someone rejects the idea of Satan's existence they are an easy target for him to manipulate.

2. Blinds People To God's Truth

The truth of the gospel is what sets people free. Satan attempts to blind people from that truth.
 
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. In their case the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God (2 Corinthians 4:3,4).

3. Energizes His Own Ministers

Satan gives power to his own ministers.
 
It is no great thing therefore if his ministers also fashion themselves as ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works (2 Corinthians 11:15).

4. Controls People's Hearts And Minds

Satan has the ability to control hearts and minds.
 
And Satan entered into Judas who was called Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve (Luke 22:3).

5. Hinders The Gospel

The message of the gospel is hindered by the Devil.
 
When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what is sown in the heart; this is what was sown on the path (Matthew 13:19).

6. Prevents People From Hearing The Gospel

Satan's main goal is to prevent people from hearing the good news about Jesus. The message of forgiveness offered through Jesus Christ sets people free. Jesus said.
 
So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed (John 8:36).

7. Misrepresents The Truth

Satan lies, denies, and misrepresents the truth. To Eve he said.

And the serpent said unto the woman, You shall not surely die (Genesis 3:4).
 
8. Takes Away Gospel

He also takes away that which the unbeliever has heard.
 
And those by the way side are they that have heard; then comes the Devil, and takes away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved (Luke 8:46).

Satan attempts to get the unbeliever to think about subjects other than the gospel of Christ.

9. Encourages False Trust In Religion

Finally, Satan attempts to get people to falsely place their trust in themselves, religion, or good works. He wants people to feel religiously satisfied, but without having a saving knowledge of Christ. The Bible says.
 
There is a way which seems right unto a person, but the end thereof are the ways of death (Proverbs 16:25).

10. Goal Is Destruction

His ultimate goal is the destruction of people.
 
And be not afraid of them that kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (Matthew 10:28).

11. Hope For Escape

Fortunately, there is hope for unbelievers to escape the traps of the Devil.
 
And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the Devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will (2 Timothy 2:24-26).


Summary

Satan has his methods with unbelievers. He wants to keep them from hearing the good news about Christ - the forgiveness of sins. To accomplish this he prevents people from hearing, blinds them to the good news, takes away the good news once they have heard it, and has them falsely trust in something apart from Christ and His gospel. This is his strategy to keep people from hearing and believing the truth about Christ.

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How Does Satan Keep Unbelievers in Spiritual Darkness? (blueletterbible.org)

 
 
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51 minutes ago, blackbird said:

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According to Scripture, Satan does the following things to keep those who have not believed in Christ in spiritual darkness.

1. Deny His Existence

One of the favorite ways in which Satan operates is to get people to deny that he exists. He seems to be most effective when people do not believe there is such a creature as the Devil. If he can get people to doubt his existence, then he can do much of his work without their knowing.

Disguise

We find from the Bible that Satan has often approached people in disguise. For example, in the Garden of Eden he came in the form of a serpent to Adam and Eve (Genesis 3). Paul warned the Corinthians that he appears as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14).

To His Advantage

This unbelief in his existence works to Satan's advantage. When people are either uniformed or misinformed about the existence of the Devil, they become like the Sadducees in Jesus' day, who did not believe in angels or spirits. When someone rejects the idea of Satan's existence they are an easy target for him to manipulate.

2. Blinds People To God's Truth

The truth of the gospel is what sets people free. Satan attempts to blind people from that truth.
 
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. In their case the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God (2 Corinthians 4:3,4).

3. Energizes His Own Ministers

Satan gives power to his own ministers.
 
It is no great thing therefore if his ministers also fashion themselves as ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works (2 Corinthians 11:15).

4. Controls People's Hearts And Minds

Satan has the ability to control hearts and minds.
 
And Satan entered into Judas who was called Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve (Luke 22:3).

5. Hinders The Gospel

The message of the gospel is hindered by the Devil.
 
When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what is sown in the heart; this is what was sown on the path (Matthew 13:19).

6. Prevents People From Hearing The Gospel

Satan's main goal is to prevent people from hearing the good news about Jesus. The message of forgiveness offered through Jesus Christ sets people free. Jesus said.
 
So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed (John 8:36).

7. Misrepresents The Truth

Satan lies, denies, and misrepresents the truth. To Eve he said.

And the serpent said unto the woman, You shall not surely die (Genesis 3:4).
 
8. Takes Away Gospel

He also takes away that which the unbeliever has heard.
 
And those by the way side are they that have heard; then comes the Devil, and takes away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved (Luke 8:46).

Satan attempts to get the unbeliever to think about subjects other than the gospel of Christ.

9. Encourages False Trust In Religion

Finally, Satan attempts to get people to falsely place their trust in themselves, religion, or good works. He wants people to feel religiously satisfied, but without having a saving knowledge of Christ. The Bible says.
 
There is a way which seems right unto a person, but the end thereof are the ways of death (Proverbs 16:25).

10. Goal Is Destruction

His ultimate goal is the destruction of people.
 
And be not afraid of them that kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (Matthew 10:28).

11. Hope For Escape

Fortunately, there is hope for unbelievers to escape the traps of the Devil.
 
And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the Devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will (2 Timothy 2:24-26).


Summary

Satan has his methods with unbelievers. He wants to keep them from hearing the good news about Christ - the forgiveness of sins. To accomplish this he prevents people from hearing, blinds them to the good news, takes away the good news once they have heard it, and has them falsely trust in something apart from Christ and His gospel. This is his strategy to keep people from hearing and believing the truth about Christ.

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How Does Satan Keep Unbelievers in Spiritual Darkness? (blueletterbible.org)

 

Ok, you have fairy tales. Now how about evidence? LMAO

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10 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I introduce you to Izzy Cook, 16-year-old climate change activist. She is discussing the necessity of air travel. Another Greta Thunberg type, I guess.

Teen eco-warrior Izzy Cook goes viral after admitting to Fiji trip (nypost.com)

She is about as committed as Al Gore or John Kerry as it turns out.?

Why do you bother?

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16 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Ok, you have fairy tales. Now how about evidence? LMAO

"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.” Psalm 14:1 KJV

“For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:”   Romans 1:20 KJV

 

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16 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Why do you bother?

You seriously see no hypocrisy in people like this? There are countless examples of the do as I say not as I do types out there. 

The point of this thread is "the folly of ignoring climate change". 

Most of the people lecturing us must not actually buy the theory that climate change is mainly driven by man-made activity or else they wouldn't keep up their high-carbon footprint lifestyle. Right?

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27 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I introduce you to Izzy Cook, 16-year-old climate change activist. She is discussing the necessity of air travel. Another Greta Thunberg type, I guess.

Teen eco-warrior Izzy Cook goes viral after admitting to Fiji trip (nypost.com)

She is about as committed as Al Gore or John Kerry as it turns out.?

Air travel actual is unnecessary, for mere peons like you and me. Even driving a car is too much for us. We're not worthy.

But air travel is the divine right of leftists who complain about the carbon footprints of the unwashed plebes

All ya gotta do if you want to fly around in private jets and cruise in circles on yachts is speak down to the peons - you're golden. 

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1 minute ago, ironstone said:

You seriously see no hypocrisy in people like this?

Strangely the view never changes from the inside of his ass. 

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There are countless examples of the do as I say not as I do types out there. 

I don't know of a climate change bigwig that isn't a hypocrite on a grand scale. 

Ed Begley Jr. is the most legit "green guy" in the US and the people who shriek about man-made global the loudest don't care about him - he's a nobody.

That's mainly because he sets a standard that none of the current leaders can live up to. He makes them all look like ?

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The point of this thread is "the folly of ignoring climate change". 

Most of the people lecturing us must not actually buy the theory that climate change is mainly driven by man-made activity or else they wouldn't keep up their high-carbon footprint lifestyle. Right?

But if you're rich you can pay peons to plant trees.  

Fly across the States in a private jet to go to a party, pay a peon to plant a tree ?

Fly between states to play in a polo match (on a farting horse),  pay a peon to plant a tree ? 

Then you can pontificate to the peons, robo will love you for it.

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52 minutes ago, ironstone said:

You seriously see no hypocrisy in people like this? There are countless examples of the do as I say not as I do types out there. 

The point of this thread is "the folly of ignoring climate change". 

Most of the people lecturing us must not actually buy the theory that climate change is mainly driven by man-made activity or else they wouldn't keep up their high-carbon footprint lifestyle. Right?

Carbon offsets are REAL. When you pay someone else to bear the extra cost of carbon free energy, that is a wash.

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.” Psalm 14:1 KJV

“For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:”   Romans 1:20 KJV

 

Testimony from ancients who believed the Earth was flat carry ZERO weight in the determination of REALITY.

Maybe you don't, but scientists know ORDERS OF MAGNITUTE more about reality today, than ANYONE who wrote the bible.

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1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Testimony from ancients who believed the Earth was flat carry ZERO weight in the determination of REALITY.

Maybe you don't, but scientists know ORDERS OF MAGNITUTE more about reality today, than ANYONE who wrote the bible.

Sorry you are badly misinformed.  

Many of the greatest scientists in history believed in God.   There has been nothing discovered in science since they lived to nullify what they believed.   Science and faith do fit together.  It just depends how one looks at these things.  Darwinism is not a discovery.  It was only a theory that many scientists have rejected.  Much of the world are heathen.  If you go by them, you will be sadly misled.  They do not know the facts.  There are many facts that totally demolish Darwinism or evolution.   I have already given you a few.

FAMOUS SCIENTISTS WHO BELIEVED IN GOD

  1. Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
  2. Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627)
  3. Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
  4. Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)
  5. Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
  6. Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
  7. Robert Boyle (1627-1691)
  8. Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
  9. Gottfried W. Leibnitz (1646-1716)
  10. Michael Faraday (1791-1867)
  11. Gregor Mendel (1822-1884)
  12. Louis Pasteur (1822-1895)
  13. William Thomson Kelvin (1824-1907)
  14. Max Planck (1858-1947)
  15. Robert A. Millikan (1868–1953)
  16. Guglielmo Marconi (1874–1937)
  17. Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
  18. Arthur Compton (1892–1962)
  19. Werner Heisenberg (1901–1976)
  20. Francis Collins (1950-present)

Not all had orthodox beliefs about God.  Some were questionable or unbiblical in my view.  The most important thing is what the Apostles and Prophets said in the Bible.  That is the ultimate authority after all.  What make you more knowledgeable is hard to figure out.

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2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Sorry you are badly misinformed.  

Many of the greatest scientists in history believed in God.   There has been nothing discovered in science since they lived to nullify what they believed.   Science and faith do fit together.  It just depends how one looks at these things.  Darwinism is not a discovery.  It was only a theory that many scientists have rejected.  Much of the world are heathen.  If you go by them, you will be sadly misled.  They do not know the facts.  There are many facts that totally demolish Darwinism or evolution.   I have already given you a few.

FAMOUS SCIENTISTS WHO BELIEVED IN GOD

  1. Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
  2. Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627)
  3. Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
  4. Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)
  5. Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
  6. Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
  7. Robert Boyle (1627-1691)
  8. Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
  9. Gottfried W. Leibnitz (1646-1716)
  10. Michael Faraday (1791-1867)
  11. Gregor Mendel (1822-1884)
  12. Louis Pasteur (1822-1895)
  13. William Thomson Kelvin (1824-1907)
  14. Max Planck (1858-1947)
  15. Robert A. Millikan (1868–1953)
  16. Guglielmo Marconi (1874–1937)
  17. Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
  18. Arthur Compton (1892–1962)
  19. Werner Heisenberg (1901–1976)
  20. Francis Collins (1950-present)

Not all had orthodox beliefs about God.  Some were questionable or unbiblical in my view.  The most important thing is what the Apostles and Prophets said in the Bible.  That is the ultimate authority after all.  What make you more knowledgeable is hard to figure out.

The key word is "believed." None ever said they have PROOF.

Like I said, people have always believed in god because it relieves their anxiety about not understanding reality.

And they have that anxiety because being driven to understand reality has always given man a survival advantage.

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2 hours ago, robosmith said:

The key word is "believed." None ever said they have PROOF.

Like I said, people have always believed in god because it relieves their anxiety about not understanding reality.

And they have that anxiety because being driven to understand reality has always given man a survival advantage.

“For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:”   Romans 1:20 KJV

Many great scientists recognized that it took God to create the world they see around them.  That is not rocket science.  Just common sense.  But many are blinded by Satan.

You are assuming why people believe in God, which is not correct.  Believing in a Creator and believing he communicated with man and sent his Son into the world to save sinners is perfectly reasonable.

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17 hours ago, robosmith said:

So says the wisdom of the ancients.

Of course there is ZERO evidence of that actually happening, but whatever makes you feel good, right?

That philosophical fallacy is evident in most of your posts.

Ancient wisdom that you reject. Just like you reject the wisdom of the US Constitution. 

Why am I not surprised. 

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10 hours ago, robosmith said:

Carbon offsets are REAL. When you pay someone else to bear the extra cost of carbon free energy, that is a wash.

Can I get you to admit the practice of buying carbon offsets is something much easier for wealthy people to do?

I would wager that when Trudeau jets all over Canada and the world to engage in useless photo ops his purchase of carbon offsets wouldn't come close to the cost if he was paying it in the form of a carbon tax.

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18 hours ago, blackbird said:

You just further give evidence of being an atheist.   You do not accept God's existence as fact you say.  There it is.  

Which God?

God? Or Allah? Or Jesus? Or Episcopalian Jesus? Or Mormon God? Or Vishnu? 
 

You think you know. You think you have it all figured out. But you don’t know.  You don’t.  If God himself came to Earth and performed miracles, odds are, you wouldn’t listen to Him. 
 

What do you call an atheist or agnostic who does good deeds? Who feeds the poor and helps others? 
 

The Bible tells you nothing about climate change. It also says very little about oil.  The only answer the Bible has about climate change is that you are commanded to do good, and burning more petroleum in the face of disaster is not doing good. That is why I believe you would turn your back on God if He came to earth and performed miracles. You think you know, but you don’t know. 

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