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18 hours ago, robosmith said:

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You picked the wrong website if you're trying to CITE SCIENCE.

Creation Ministries International is NOT a science authority and has NO CREDIBITY on EVOLUTION.

creation.com is certainly a science authority.  Don Batten is a highly educated scientist.  He was the CEO and Managing Director of Creation Ministries International- Australia from 2015 to 2022. He is now senior scientist focusing on research, writing, and speaking.

"Don received both his B.Sc.Agr. (First Class Honours) and his Ph.D. from the University of Sydney. He worked for 20 years as a research horticulturalist with the NSW Department of Agriculture. His research included environmental adaptation of tropical/subtropical fruits such as mango, lychee and custard apple (Annona), floral biology, floral induction, breeding, environmental physiology (especially water requirements, effects of water deficits), plant taxonomy, and mineral nutrition. His research on floral induction of lychee and mango overturned long-held ideas which had been an impediment to the scientific understanding of these plants, as well as causing economic loss due to inappropriate management of these crops. He conducted a number of research projects that were externally funded, publishing his results in science journals.

Don joined the ministry in Brisbane, Australia in 1994 and has spoken around the world on the creation issue, showing the errors in the evolutionary ideas he was taught. He is co-author of The Creation Answers Book, One Blood, Answers to the 4 Big Questions, 15 Reasons to Take Genesis as History, and author of various booklets, including What about carbon dating? and What about arguments for evolution? Don is one of the three rotating editors of Creation magazine, and has written many articles for Creation as well as the in-depth Journal of Creation .

Dr Batten was the CEO and Managing Director of CMI-Australia from 2015 to 2022. He is now Senior Scientist, focusing on research, writing, and speaking."

Dr Don Batten - creation.com

creation.com has 14,260 articles and 874 videos produced by all kinds of highly educated scholars.  It is nonsense to say this is not a scientific site.   If you believe only people who agree with your worldview are scientists, that might be true.  But that is a very narrow viewpoint.

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

I know it is hard for an idealist to understand reality, but it is not that complicated.  The oil industry is thriving because there is centuries of oil and gas still in the ground and it is a profitable business.  There are millions of users who run cars, trucks, motorcycles, buses, ships of all kinds, and aircraft of all kinds.   That is just how the world is.  You can't change it by waving a wand or by government decree as Trudeau thinks.  Society is deeply built on the oil and gas industry.  I really don't know how to explain it in any other way.  

Good for Iowa if they can make a good living on wind power.  That simply would not work as an alternative for the oil and gas industry.  It would not provide a fraction of the energy required.  Wind turbines are an ugly eyesore on the landscape.  I have seen them in southern Alberta and would not want those spread across the country.  There are also lots of problems with wind power.  They don't generate enough power for all the cities, they don't provide the power for millions of vehicles, etc. and their output varies with the wind and may stop altogether if there is no wind.  So they are not realistic alternative to oil and gas.  

I think you still missed the point that society functions and depends on the free enterprise system which means where a resource is profitable and there is a big demand, companies invest in it and produce thousands of jobs and billions of dollars in revenue for the country.  That is what the oil and gas industry does.  There is nothing else on the horizon that could do that.  Investors must see the value before they invest.   They are not going to switch to something that has no evident large value.  Government cannot tell companies where to invest their money.  That would be total disaster.  

When EVERY building has a wind turbine and solar panels, there will be far less need for central power plants and the huge inefficiencies of power transmission. 

Your belief in the "wisdom" of the ancients is entirely consistent with your complete lack of VISION for a BETTER future.

And you completely ignore the huge downsides of fossil fuel power energy POLLUTION, on the climate, air and water.

Coal is the most DEADLY form of energy production, but all other fossil fuels are nearly as unhealthy. 

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3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

When EVERY building has a wind turbine and solar panels, there will be far less need for central power plants and the huge inefficiencies of power transmission. 

Your belief in the "wisdom" of the ancients is entirely consistent with your complete lack of VISION for a BETTER future.

And you completely ignore the huge downsides of fossil fuel power energy POLLUTION, on the climate, air and water.

Coal is the most DEADLY form of energy production, but all other fossil fuels are nearly as unhealthy. 

The fossil fuel power does not generate huge pollution.  CO2 is not pollution.  It is an essential part of life on planet earth. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere generated by man is miniscule.  97% of the CO2 is natural.

You do not build a better future by rejecting God and his revelation to man.  Government cannot build a better future by imposing it's morally bankrupt ideology on people.  Government cannot just impose a totally different source of energy on a world that is built on an established energy source that is proven to work produces millions of jobs.  Government authoritarianism never works.  The woke are bent on destroying society.  Environmental radicals slash tires and block roads but it won't help.  It is criminal anarchy.

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53 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You did not read my post very well, if at all.  It is a question of what is rational.  Why do you reject reasoning, logic and rational thinking?  I have explained to you there is no other explanation for the information that is required to operate life and the universe.  Vast information in a cell which I explained to you doesn't arrive by random.

"a meaningless accident of atoms" does not explain anything and it certainly does not explain how the vast volumes of information came into existence.  Random movements of atoms does not produce complex information structures.  Claiming accident of atoms can produce something complex and useful has long ago been rejected by many scientists.  Professor Philip Stott, a scientist and mathematician will tell you that the mathematical law of probability proves there is not enough time in the universe for the right atoms, molecules, or chemicals to come together to produce life.  This has been mathematically carefully calculated and is reasonable. 

He gave an example by explaining if you put a monkey in front of a typewriter and let him type random characters, how long do you think it would take the monkey to type the complete works of Shakespeare?   That is what the idea of random chance processes is claiming could happen to create a living cell.  It simply could not happen by random.  A living organism is vastly complex.  The data and machinery in a cell is so complex and intricate that biological science is amazed.  It could never happen by accident.

The theory that life could begin by random processes has never been proven by any empirical science.  It simply can't be done.  You would probably have a better chance of a monkey typing on a keyboard or on a piano producing something meaningful.

The other question you ignored is when you said "an accident of atoms" where did the atoms come from?  Where did the laws of physics and gravity all come from?  Where did matter itself come from?  You conveniently ignore the reality that the complex universe could not come into existence without a superior external power or an intelligent designer as we say.  Go ahead if you want to hang onto a blind, childish way of looking at things.  You also have not explained the meaning of life if everything is just a chemical accident.  According to you humans are just a chemical blob that accidentally happened to come along.   Not logical at all.  But I guess ignorance is bliss until one knows deep down they will have to face their Creator one day because as the bible says, we are appointed to die and after this the judgment.  Fools ignore the truth because they think they can avoid accountability that way.  It doesn't work like that.   Everyone will still be accountable.  This universe does not exist for nothing.  We are not here by nothing, for nothing and to just disappear as nothing.  

It is you who is holding on to ^this childish STORY which cannot be proven.

In an infinite universe, EVERYTHING can and WILL happen through completely random processes.

Maybe some day you will understand, but I highly doubt it because you believe you already KNOW the answer is the story about god(s) that were invented to lessen the anxiety of the ancients who invented a god to explain the sun and everything else they didn't understand. 

Your "scientist" started with BELIEF, and then searched for and invented a semi-rational explanation he calls science.

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2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It is you who is holding on to ^this childish STORY which cannot be proven.

In an infinite universe, EVERYTHING can and WILL happen through completely random processes.

Maybe some day you will understand, but I highly doubt it because you believe you already KNOW the answer is the story about god(s) that were invented to lessen the anxiety of the ancients who invented a god to explain the sun and everything else they didn't understand. 

Your "scientist" started with BELIEF, and then searched for and invented a semi-rational explanation he calls science.

You have answered nothing.  You can't explain anything, but you hold onto the debunked theory of a complex universe and life happening purely by chance.  Ridiculous and nonsensical.  You answered nothing.  

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10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The fossil fuel power does not generate huge pollution.  CO2 is not pollution.  It is an essential part of life on planet earth. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere generated by man is miniscule.  97% of the CO2 is natural.

IT is pollution and causes warming. Just look at the hell hole called Venus.

The 97% of natural CO2 emitted DOES NOT increase atmospheric concentrations because it is RECYCLED by biological processes.

Only fossil fuel CO2 currently contributes the the HUGE increase in atmospheric (and oceanic) CO2 since the start of the industrial age.

Unlike in ancient times when MEGA-volcanos were a significant contributor.

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You do not build a better future by rejecting God and his revelation to man. 

All you have to have is VISION and the will to make it happen. Prime examples: Gore and Musk.

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Government cannot build a better future by imposing it's morally bankrupt ideology on people.

IT does not always but certainly CAN, your cynicism notwithstanding.

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Government cannot just impose a totally different source of energy on a world that is built on an established energy source that is proven to work produces millions of jobs. 

Sure it can. We just need to educate the small minds so they can understand new VISIONS.

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Government authoritarianism never works.  The woke are bent on destroying society.  Environmental radicals slash tires and block roads but it won't help.  It is criminal anarchy.

Have you been to Egypt? Know the history of the Roman Empire? Great things have been accomplished by great governments throughout history. Esp in the USA, which has put men on the moon, and built amazing supercomputers among much other PROGRESS.

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21 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It is you who is holding on to ^this childish STORY which cannot be proven.

In an infinite universe, EVERYTHING can and WILL happen through completely random processes.

Maybe some day you will understand, but I highly doubt it because you believe you already KNOW the answer is the story about god(s) that were invented to lessen the anxiety of the ancients who invented a god to explain the sun and everything else they didn't understand. 

Your "scientist" started with BELIEF, and then searched for and invented a semi-rational explanation he calls science.

You picked a good pseudonym for yourself.  robosmith describes yourself as a robot.  You do not listen to reason or anything anyone else says.  Just keep repeating childish one liner rebuttles.  Total waste of time.

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18 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You have answered nothing.  You can't explain anything, but you hold onto the debunked theory of a complex universe and life happening purely by chance.  Ridiculous and nonsensical.  You answered nothing.  

Just because YOU WANT to believe an ancient understanding of the world, does not make it true.

In ancient times, there were gods invented to explain everything that frightened man and he could not understand.

Educated people understand FAR MORE today. There is no NEED for the god default; it just holds back true understanding.

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4 minutes ago, robosmith said:

 

All you have to have is VISION and the will to make it happen. Prime examples: Gore and Musk.

 

Prime examples are Lenin, Stalin, Chairman Mao, and Hitler with their visions.  Killed 100 million people and put billions more into totalitarianism and no human rights.  Vision without God and his word are evil.  No thanks.  Total failure.

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3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You picked a good pseudonym for yourself.  robosmith describes yourself as a robot.  You do not listen to reason or anything anyone else says.  Just keep repeating childish one liner rebuttles.  Total waste of time.

Nope. robosmith means FIXER of robots. I listened to you and only heard what I've heard hundreds of times before.

Ignorance spouted by true believers who desperately cling to the religion they were taught as a child.

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2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Just because YOU WANT to believe an ancient understanding of the world, does not make it true.

In ancient times, there were gods invented to explain everything that frightened man and he could not understand.

Educated people understand FAR MORE today. There is no NEED for the god default; it just holds back true understanding.

That's what Lenin, Stalin, and Mao thought.

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Prime examples are Lenin, Stalin, Chairman Mao, and Hitler with their visions.  Killed 100 million people and put billions more into totalitarianism and no human rights.  Vision without God and his word are evil.  No thanks.  Total failure.

They were NEVER progressives. Just power lust.

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5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

It was obvious by their actions they did not believe in God and the Bible.  They were murderers and killed millions imposing their ideology.   Is that what you want?

Implementing modern energy policy has nothing to do with 20th century fascists so take ^this shit and shove it.

Externalizing costs of fossil fuel energy pollution would be much more in that line.

The average US cost of weather catastrophes since 1980 has been $53B/year.

Over the last 5 years, it has been $158B/year.

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/#:~:text=References-,Overview,332 events exceeds %242.275 trillion.

Not to mention the LIVES LOST.

It would be STUPID to not switch to renewables ASAP where feasible.

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48 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Implementing modern energy policy has nothing to do with 20th century fascists so take ^this shit and shove it.

Externalizing costs of fossil fuel energy pollution would be much more in that line.

The average US cost of weather catastrophes since 1980 has been $53B/year.

Over the last 5 years, it has been $158B/year.

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/#:~:text=References-,Overview,332 events exceeds %242.275 trillion.

Not to mention the LIVES LOST.

It would be STUPID to not switch to renewables ASAP where feasible.

That will never stop climate change.  Man cannot control the climate.  It is fiction to think he can.  The amount of CO2 reduction will never affect the climate and a significant reduction is practically impossible.  Only in the imagination of environmental radicals.   Better to learn to adapt to climate change.   The fall of mankind caused a faulty planet with all the severe weather.  That cannot be stopped.  Learning to adapt to it is the only thing that can be done.

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15 minutes ago, blackbird said:

That will never stop climate change.  Man cannot control the climate.  It is fiction to think he can.  The amount of CO2 reduction will never affect the climate and a significant reduction is practically impossible.  Only in the imagination of environmental radicals.   Better to learn to adapt to climate change.   The fall of mankind caused a faulty planet with all the severe weather.  That cannot be stopped.  Learning to adapt to it is the only thing that can be done.

What man can do, we can undo. If only you had the faith in the ingenuity of man that you have in magic....

We now have machines that can suck CO2 out of the atmosphere, and maybe someday make a profit doing that.

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27 minutes ago, robosmith said:

What man can do, we can undo. If only you had the faith in the ingenuity of man that you have in magic....

We now have machines that can suck CO2 out of the atmosphere, and maybe someday make a profit doing that.

You believe in the fiction that man is causing climate change when it always has changed.  You can't suck the CO2 out of the atmosphere either.  Maybe a tiny bit but that won't make any difference.  Atheists are the last people on earth to listen to on the climate.  They think man is like God and can do anything.  Frivilous nonsense.

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4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You believe in the fiction that man is causing climate change when it always has changed.  You can't suck the CO2 out of the atmosphere either.  Maybe a tiny bit but that won't make any difference.  Atheists are the last people on earth to listen to on the climate.  They think man is like God and can do anything.  Frivilous nonsense.

Every hear of nuclear winter? Or do you also believe that won't affect the climate?

FWIW, I am NOT an atheist; I am agnostic. Because I don't allow mere belief to affect my judgement.

If a profit can be made sucking CO2 out of the atmosphere, they will SCALE IT UP and make a big difference. Duh.

Ever hear the Parable of the drowning man?

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2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Just because YOU WANT to believe an ancient understanding of the world, does not make it true.

In ancient times, there were gods invented to explain everything that frightened man and he could not understand.

Educated people understand FAR MORE today. There is no NEED for the god default; it just holds back true understanding.

The question is are atheists demon-possessed?   One chaplain said this the following.  Quoted on an atheist website.

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Echoing what E W Jackson, one-time candidate for Lieutenant Governor of Virginia, had to say earlier this year, Christian right chaplain Gordon Klingenschmitt said atheists are demonic on his June 6 program Pray in Jesus Name. The chaplain believes that atheists are possessed by demons and they do not realize this because the demons have blinded them from the truth.

“Atheists are possessed by demonic spirits but do not realize it because those demonic spirits are blinding them to the fact that they are possessed by demonic spirits. An atheist complainer, he looks at Jesus and doesn’t see the glory of Christ. He’s blind. And who has blinded him? Satan inside of him has blinded his eyes. It’s impossible for atheists to discern the demonic spirits,” said Klingenschmitt.     Unquote

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Are Atheists Demon Possessed?

You belong to your father, the devil, He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.   JOHN 8:44

 

When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path.  MATTHEW 13:19

 

But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. MATTHEW 13:25

 

When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared. MATTHEW 13:26

 

"The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?' MATTHEW 13:27

 

"'An enemy did this,' he replied. "The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?' MATTHEW 13:28

 

MATTHEW 13:29

 

"The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one." MATTHEW 13:38

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Are Atheists Demon Possessed? | CreateDebate

 

 

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The question is are atheists demon-possessed?   One chaplain said this the following.  Quoted on an atheist website.

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Echoing what E W Jackson, one-time candidate for Lieutenant Governor of Virginia, had to say earlier this year, Christian right chaplain Gordon Klingenschmitt said atheists are demonic on his June 6 program Pray in Jesus Name. The chaplain believes that atheists are possessed by demons and they do not realize this because the demons have blinded them from the truth.

“Atheists are possessed by demonic spirits but do not realize it because those demonic spirits are blinding them to the fact that they are possessed by demonic spirits. An atheist complainer, he looks at Jesus and doesn’t see the glory of Christ. He’s blind. And who has blinded him? Satan inside of him has blinded his eyes. It’s impossible for atheists to discern the demonic spirits,” said Klingenschmitt.     Unquote

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Are Atheists Demon Possessed?

You belong to your father, the devil, He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.   JOHN 8:44

 

When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path.  MATTHEW 13:19

 

But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. MATTHEW 13:25

 

When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared. MATTHEW 13:26

 

"The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?' MATTHEW 13:27

 

"'An enemy did this,' he replied. "The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?' MATTHEW 13:28

 

MATTHEW 13:29

 

"The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one." MATTHEW 13:38

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Are Atheists Demon Possessed? | CreateDebate

 

 

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1 minute ago, robosmith said:

Every hear of nuclear winter? Or do you also believe that won't affect the climate?

FWIW, I am NOT an atheist; I am agnostic. Because I don't allow mere belief to affect my judgement.

If a profit can be made sucking CO2 out of the atmosphere, they will SCALE IT UP and make a big difference. Duh.

Ever hear the Parable of the drowning man?

Ah, but you have indicated you are an atheist.  You dismiss the reasoning I gave why God created everything.  You mock such beliefs and dismiss them as ancient and without understanding.  Sounds like atheism to me.

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Ah, but you have indicated you are an atheist.  You dismiss the reasoning I gave why God created everything.  You mock such beliefs and dismiss them as ancient and without understanding.  Sounds like atheism to me.

Do you even know what agnostic means? True reasoning is based on accepted FACTS. I do NOT accept god's existence as FACT, nor do I claim the opposite is FACT. It is UNPROVEN and thus UNKNOWN. 

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