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5 minutes ago, herbie said:

As anyone not shocked by seeing Trump enter a church without being struck by lightning is a bad Christian....

 

Well he's white and "pro-life" 

We can forgive his sins. 

But brown people from the Third-World are unwashed Heathens. 🙄

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On 9/25/2022 at 9:47 AM, Michael Hardner said:

1. In other ways they are optimistic, ie. Muslims coming to the west lose fundamental beliefs at a faster rate than Christians do.

Cool. Tell them to find an empty part of the planet to colonize. Then they too can begin losing their fundamental beliefs.

There.

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Glad to see Italy elected a conservative leader who rejects the open borders and the woke agenda.  There is a bit of hope there.  Britain rejected the open border concept with Brexit.  Open borders and multiculturalism has already caused a lot of problems in their country.

Britain didn't have an open border, it was not a part of the Schengen Zone when it was in the EU.

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26 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Britain didn't have an open border, it was not a part of the Schengen Zone when it was in the EU.

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Sovereignty

The second reason for Brexit is the rise of nationalism across the world.

There’s a growing distrust of multinational financial, trade, and defense organizations created after World War II. The EU, the IMF , and NATO are good examples of this.

Many who oppose the EU believe these institutions no longer serve a purpose. Not only that, these organizations take control away from individual nations. Mistrust and fear of losing control made Brexit a reasonable solution to them.

But for the supporters of the EU, such organizations are self-evidently valuable. They may need to be tweaked but not abandoned.

The immigration crisis in Europe was a trigger. Some EU leaders argued that aiding the refugees was a moral obligation. But EU opponents saw immigration as a national issue, as it affected the internal life of the country. Steering clear of this issue was an important driver for the “leave” vote.

The EU doesn’t understand the power of nationalism. It attempts to retain nationality as a cultural right. On the other hand, it deprives individual nations of the power to make many decisions.

This may have worked before 2008, but it has become increasingly difficult to accept.

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3 Reasons Brits Voted For Brexit (forbes.com)

The elite political class in Canada support multiculturalism and are globalists.  Trudeau and his cronies jet off to the U.N. meetings and other globalist meetings regularly.  They depend on multiculturalism policy driving immigration and bringing in more liberal left NDP supporters from the third world and keeping them as the ruling class in Canada.  That's what politics is all about for them.  They could care less about the ordinary citizens who must struggle to make ends meet and in some cases, struggle to try to obtain health care.  The elites think they have given us a communal system and put the money into it.  If there is not enough health care to go around or not enough housing, they have done their bit. They have lots of money and big pensions coming.  That's what matters to them.

 

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5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

After the economy collapses, though, maybe...

Communist revolutions rise in the face of absolute monarchies, military dictatorships, apartheid states, etc

when a Western liberal economy implodes

that's when the National Socialists will rise

not by revolution, they will be voted in

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2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

that's when the National Socialists will rise

not by revolution, they will be voted in

Yep! By calling themselves Conservatives. Just like the Nazis did by calling themselves Socialist Workers party. And the bagged out by old age BC Social Credit did by calling itself the Liberals.

Sort of like telling us how glorious the capitalist free enterprise system is and how it can't possibly build any houses to put new immigrants in in the same breath. Can'tservatives and 'Con'servatives be damned.

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2 minutes ago, herbie said:

Yep! By calling themselves Conservatives. Just like the Nazis did by calling themselves Socialist Workers party. And the bagged out by old age BC Social Credit did by calling itself the Liberals.

Sort of like telling us how glorious the capitalist free enterprise system is and how it can't possibly build any houses to put new immigrants in in the same breath. Can'tservatives and 'Con'servatives be damned.

the Conservatives are the Laurentian Elites

the Conservatives are afraid to even be conservative, lest they lose the Liberal swing voters

National Socialism only rises in the wake of a total economic collapse

ferocious racialized revanchism bent on genocidal mass murder

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17 hours ago, Moonbox said:

There's no worthy distinction here.  Islam is nothing beyond what the people who follow the faith make of it, which is the same as any major religion, including Christianity.  What the books say is secondary to what the people who follow the faith believe it says, or is meant to say, because that's all that ultimately matters.  Both faiths have sublimely stupid passages in their Holy texts that only the blindest and least thoughtful among the faithful would accept as anything but archaic allegory.    

Mmm, yes, in a sense, but the difference is the clerics who are interpreting those holy books are quite different. Ours went through the reformation, which is why you don't find mainstream Christian clerics thundering fire and brimstone and demanding people be killed. It's why you don't have mobs of shrieking Christians trying to burn someone alive for Blaspheme. It's why we have a secular society and they do not.

 

17 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Yet in your attempt to clarify what you figured was "dishonesty" on my part, you did nothing but reinforce and highlight the foolishness and ignorance for which I was criticizing you.  You may not like that I did that, but there was nothing "emotional" or "dishonest" about it. That's just you projecting again.   

This discussion reminds me of when Bill Maher and Sam Harris were discussing Islam and Ben Afleck lost his mind because they were saying things he didn't like. Not that he knew anything about Islam, of course, or the Islamic world. It just offended his wokeness to have what he saw as a protected identity group being maligned.

You are similarly outraged and for the same reason. No thinking is involved on your part. A protected identity group cannot be criticized for any reason. Amiright? 

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21 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

but Canadian culture now doesn't even believe in that anymore

Canadian culture now is essentially Socialist,

a product of Hegel & Marx, not Martin Luther

Nonsense. You are making no distinction between what you see coming from the progressives who congregate in the arts and academia and the bulk of people who have no voice but who live out their lives and simply shake their heads in disdain at the silliness the progressives spout. The media is always on message, pushing the narrative. They won't allow anyone who doesn't have progressive thoughts on the air. So you don't know they exist. But the culture of everyday Canadians is not the culture of the Laurentian Elites and the urban media.

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Just now, I am Groot said:

But the culture of everyday Canadians is not the culture of the Laurentian Elites and the urban media.

but Canada is not a republic

there is no public rule

you get to vote for an MP, that's it, that's all

beyond that, the Laurentian Elites rule in your stead, in the name of the Crown

that is how a monarchy works

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5 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

You are similarly outraged and for the same reason. No thinking is involved on your part. A protected identity group cannot be criticized for any reason. Amiright? 

Weird take considering my criticism has focused on your flimsy reasoning and I've pointed to numerous statements you've made that are demonstrably and obviously false.  As before, you're just projecting.  

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11 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

 They won't allow anyone who doesn't have progressive thoughts on the air. So you don't know they exist.

the thing to understand is that Communism is a faith, a secular religion

Communism is the perfectly egalitarian society, a post scarcity Utopia

the mechanism for reaching this secular heaven on earth;  is Socialism

the vast majority of Canadians do not actually understand what Socialism is and how it works

Socialism is all about the Hegelian Dialectic

and how that actually works, is that the Socialists incite a clash in society, a civil war in essence

and through the conflict, the socialists eliminate all the infidels, the non believers

thus is how they achieve their Utopia

and why the ended up mass murdering over 100 million people in the 20th century

if the Socialists fail, if they induce an economic collapse in pursuit of their Utopia

this will incite a mirror image opposite revanchist counterrevolution called National Socialism

the National Socialists will then mass murder the Socialists and anyone they deem to be Socialist proxies

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43 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

The media is always on message, pushing the narrative. They won't allow anyone who doesn't have progressive thoughts on the air.

that is the Hegelian Dialectic in action

the Socialist Canadian media is attempting to eliminate you by simply erasing you from the public discourse

in its most extreme form, you get the Khmer Rouge, where the Socialists march you into the Killing Fields

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

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Sovereignty

The second reason for Brexit is the rise of nationalism across the world.

There’s a growing distrust of multinational financial, trade, and defense organizations created after World War II. The EU, the IMF , and NATO are good examples of this.

Many who oppose the EU believe these institutions no longer serve a purpose. Not only that, these organizations take control away from individual nations. Mistrust and fear of losing control made Brexit a reasonable solution to them.

But for the supporters of the EU, such organizations are self-evidently valuable. They may need to be tweaked but not abandoned.

The immigration crisis in Europe was a trigger. Some EU leaders argued that aiding the refugees was a moral obligation. But EU opponents saw immigration as a national issue, as it affected the internal life of the country. Steering clear of this issue was an important driver for the “leave” vote.

The EU doesn’t understand the power of nationalism. It attempts to retain nationality as a cultural right. On the other hand, it deprives individual nations of the power to make many decisions.

This may have worked before 2008, but it has become increasingly difficult to accept.

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3 Reasons Brits Voted For Brexit (forbes.com)

The elite political class in Canada support multiculturalism and are globalists.  Trudeau and his cronies jet off to the U.N. meetings and other globalist meetings regularly.  They depend on multiculturalism policy driving immigration and bringing in more liberal left NDP supporters from the third world and keeping them as the ruling class in Canada.  That's what politics is all about for them.  They could care less about the ordinary citizens who must struggle to make ends meet and in some cases, struggle to try to obtain health care.  The elites think they have given us a communal system and put the money into it.  If there is not enough health care to go around or not enough housing, they have done their bit. They have lots of money and big pensions coming.  That's what matters to them.

 

Again, Britain did not have an open border, only EU passport holders could move back and forth unrestricted.

You think Boris and the bunch of Oxford/Cambridge pals he led weren't elite? They are the UK elite. The Tories are the party of the UK elite.

The UK now has the worst performing economy in Western Europe. Brexitiers yearning for the good old days of the 70's when Britain was the sick man of Europe and it looks like they are getting their wish the way the Brit economy is performing.

The Pound just hit an all time low.

 

As far as defence goes, it is still part of NATO and unless the UK can move its geographical location, it has no alternative but to work with other Western European countries.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/25/city-braces-for-more-volatility-mini-budget-rocks-pound-parity-dollar-bond-tax

 

 

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1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Weird take considering my criticism has focused on your flimsy reasoning and I've pointed to numerous statements you've made that are demonstrably and obviously false.  As before, you're just projecting.  

Ben, you haven't pointed to a single statement I've made that is wrong except in your woke hollywood mind. And let's be truthful here. You're not interested in discussion. You're interested in condemnation. Someone who disagrees with you has to be browbeaten into silence, right?

Not gonna happen.

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7 hours ago, Boges said:

 

Well he's white and "pro-life" 

We can forgive his sins. 

But brown people from the Third-World are unwashed Heathens. 🙄

"Canada was built by immigrants. They came here because of our great cultural heritage which allows for freedom of expression, religion, association and peaceful assembly. Radical Islam does not recognize those freedoms and thus poses a clear and present threat to what makes Canada such a great country and the envy of much of the world – our Christian heritage."   ‘Radical Islam’ a clear threat to Canada | ARPA Canada

What do most of the immigrants from the third world have to offer in defence of freedom of expression, religion, association and peaceful assembly?   These fundamental freedoms are unknown in much of the third world.   I don't even think the liberals or NDP are big defenders of these freedoms.

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4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Ben, you haven't pointed to a single statement I've made that is wrong except in your woke hollywood mind. And let's be truthful here. You're not interested in discussion. You're interested in condemnation. Someone who disagrees with you has to be browbeaten into silence, right?

Not gonna happen.

I did.  I quoted it, explained why it was dumb, and then you told me I was being "dishonest" and tried to explain your point further, succeeding only in confirming my interpretation of your words and your own foolishness and ignorance.  Go back and read it again - the quotes are still there!

Now you're resorting to whining and pouting about being browbeaten, whilst telling me I'm the one being emotional.  Nice projecting.  Go have a beer and calm yourself down.  

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10 hours ago, Boges said:

The more I read stuff like this the less I appreciate Modern Christianity.

You exhibit hate for people because of their political ideology and racial makeup. You only want people in this country that fall into your narrow worldview of an acceptable person. It's, quite frankly, pathetic. 

You have a rigid view of the people you want to share your country with. It's the absolute antithesis of a welcoming loving Christ. 

Separation of Church and State was enshrined in North America's founding principals. But you believe the state should only accept what the church accepts. 

I don't know what you know about Christianity, but it sounds like you know nothing.

I don't exhibit any hate for people.  That is your third world anti-Christian bias coming out.

Yes, I hate evil political ideologies such as Communism, Socialism, Marxism, and progressivism, liberalism, and what have you.  Why should anyone who believes in God and his word, be expected to embrace and like evil?   Your logic is faulty.  But that is because of your unbelieving background.  You still believe all religions and cultures are equally valid and should be recognized as equals.  Total nonsense.  God rejects all false gods in the Bible and forbids the worship or even the recognition of them.  So multiculturalism must be rejected on that basis alone.  Christ does not love evil and he does not expect any of his followers to embrace those who love evil.  It's quite simple.  Christianity is a broad word embraced by anyone today even if they don't believe in the Bible, which is God's revelation to man.

Your idea that church and state are separate is nonsense.   That claim is a liberal left, Commie invention.  First there is no such thing as the State of North America.  There is the U.S.A. and there is Canada.   The U.S. recognizes the supremacy of God in it's Constitution.  God and the Constitution (christianpost.com)  Canada's Charter of Rights does the same.

There is a serious shortcoming to this though.  Canada's Charter does not specifically recognize the Christian God, but recognizes all gods, which means the heathen gods, which are false.

The important point is Canada and America were founded by Judeo-Christian civilization and culture.  That is a historical fact.  Multiculturalism is an attempt to embrace heathen cultures and in doing so, creates problems.  One problem is Christianity brought with it the recognition of basic freedoms such as freedom of expression, freedom of religion, etc.  These are unknown in the third world.  So people coming from the third world have no understanding of the importance of basic freedoms.  You can dance around that all you want, but it is still a fact.  Socialism is a rejection of those basic freedoms.  Socialism is intent on establishing a totalitarian society with no individual rights as it is in China or Russia.

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, blackbird said:

I don't know what you know about Christianity, but it sounds like you know nothing.

I don't exhibit any hate for people.  That is your third world anti-Christian bias coming out.

Yes, I hate evil political ideologies such as Communism, Socialism, Marxism, and progressivism, liberalism, and what have you.  Why should anyone who believes in God and his word, be expected to embrace and like evil?   Your logic is faulty.  But that is because of your unbelieving background.  You still believe all religions and cultures are equally valid and should be recognized as equals.  Total nonsense.  God rejects all false gods in the Bible and forbids the worship or even the recognition of them.  So multiculturalism must be rejected on that basis alone.  Christ does not love evil and he does not expect any of his followers to embrace those who love evil.  It's quite simple.  Christianity is a broad word embraced by anyone today even if they don't believe in the Bible, which is God's revelation to man.

Your idea that church and state are separate is nonsense.   That claim is a liberal left, Commie invention.  First there is no such thing as the State of North America.  There is the U.S.A. and there is Canada.   The U.S. recognizes the supremacy of God in it's Constitution.  God and the Constitution (christianpost.com)  Canada's Charter of Rights does the same.

There is a serious shortcoming to this though.  Canada's Charter does not specifically recognize the Christian God, but recognizes all gods, which means the heathen gods, which are false.

The important point is Canada and America were founded by Judeo-Christian civilization and culture.  That is a historical fact.  Multiculturalism is an attempt to embrace heathen cultures and in doing so, creates problems.  One problem is Christianity brought with it the recognition of basic freedoms such as freedom of expression, freedom of religion, etc.  These are unknown in the third world.  So people coming from the third world have no understanding of the importance of basic freedoms.  You can dance around that all you want, but it is still a fact.  Socialism is a rejection of those basic freedoms.  Socialism is intent on establishing a totalitarian society with no individual rights as it is in China or Russia.

I don't think you know much about the Third World at all. 

They're places that are poor, but the people there are, more often than not, very religious. 

A Christian country like America has some of the highest Crime in the world for the very same reasons the 3rd world has high crime. A lot of it has to do with fuelling the Drug appetites of people in the First World. 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-christian-countries

And people in the 3rd world come to a country like Canada because they want to embrace freedom. But you're a blatant racist, so you want to believe they're coming here to destroy Canada with little or no evidence. 

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Also the sentiment that Left-Wing politics are anti-Christian is laughable. 

Left-wing hero Tommy Douglas was a Baptist Preacher. 

Christendom isn't the sole territory of the Right-Wing. Conservatives look to gain wealth where Jesus clearly didn't. 

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12 hours ago, Moonbox said:

I did.  I quoted it, explained why it was dumb, and then you told me I was being "dishonest" and tried to explain your point further,

Wow. What you're describing, Ben is called 'disagreement'. 

And as I recall I described you as being dishonest for making things up I hadn't said.

12 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Now you're resorting to whining and pouting about being browbeaten, whilst telling me I'm the one being emotional.  Nice projecting.  Go have a beer and calm yourself down.  

It's not working, Ben. You should just stop while you're behind.

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2 hours ago, Boges said:

Also the sentiment that Left-Wing politics are anti-Christian is laughable. 

Left-wing hero Tommy Douglas was a Baptist Preacher. 

Tommy also believed in Eugenics. But never mind. The modern Left seems to have little time for Christianity because the most cherished polices of the Left clash so often with the beliefs of major Christian denominations on issues like abortion and gay rights. The Left are willing to ignore such policies from 'bipoc' religions but not from what they see as 'white' Christianity (it's not really)

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12 hours ago, blackbird said:

Your idea that church and state are separate is nonsense.   That claim is a liberal left, Commie invention. 

Well that's just silly.  The idea of the separation of church and state is most notable as coming from the framers of the American constitution, though those people in turn took the concept from the Enlightenment, esp philosophers like John Locke, who, since he died in seventeenth century was unlikely to have been influenced by communism.

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