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Sometimes I'm so thrilled by political talking heads that I'm seriously thinking. OK, sure. So one of us has to be from another planet - or alternate universe?

Steve Paikin (TVO) polls on support for Constitutional Monarchy in Canada:

51%: don't think Canada should remain a monarchy

55% think Canada can remain a monarchy as long as Queen is alive

31% agree that Canada should be a monarchy under Charles something.

OK we have the numbers. Great. So, what would be the conclusion? Is that what you may have thought, speaking of democracy?

No, no, wait. With an innocently naive face here it goes:

So Charles has to work hard to bring Canadians to trust him!

Makes sense, right? Only... in what alternate, bubble detached political Universe? Can we have the astronomer to figure it out?

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Perhaps a referendum is needed to be called. But i have one question, what do we become if we do decide to leave, and do you think today's government can manage to change everything this country is built upon, i don't have that much confidence it could ever be done. 

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Right, change is impossible (someone some time ago said so) so why bother? Translated to Latin: Quid molestus?

But seriously we are being told in plain clear language: this is a show. Yes, we run it. Sure you can have your opinions but you cannot change anything. We'll just have to work harder to convince you.

Mutatio non potest. Abandon all hope and just forget it.

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28 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

But i have one question, what do we become if we do decide to leave,

Seriously? Going on three centuries of quasi-independent existence we have nothing to speak for us other than foreign, different continent monarchy? That should say something important.. about us. If only we bothered to care and listen.

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8 minutes ago, myata said:

Seriously? Going on three centuries of quasi-independent existence we have nothing to speak for us other than foreign, different continent monarchy? That should say something important, about us. If only we bothered to care and listen.

For a guy who has nothing good to say about the present government or how our government is run or set up,  just how do you see them tackling a huge issue of reinventing the entire country from a to z , when we cannot even come up with a simple more effective climate change platform that tackles climate change, or how we cannot get any infra structure built despite a huge pile of funding put aside for it. or mange correctly our international image.

Without the monarchy what is Canada really? in the last 40 years or so, we are so divided we are almost paralyzed as a nation, and the only thing our government can do now is create more social programs and run us into the ground and apologize to every second group becasue of past and serious transgressions...

We are not united as one nation, and every day we become more fragmented. Maybe it is time we move on, bury todays Canada and start something new, one that does not need to apologize for transgressions because we have learned from out past. 

And your right 1000% no one cares to put in the effort to get the job done. That is the message i received.

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18 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

We are not united as one nation, and every day we become more fragmented. Maybe it is time we move on, bury todays Canada and start something new, one that does not need to apologize for transgressions because we have learned from out past.

How about a 1st Nation's Monarch for Canada?  That would sure convince me we've learned something about the past.

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51 minutes ago, myata said:

Right, change is impossible (someone some time ago said so) so why bother? Translated to Latin: Quid molestus?

But seriously we are being told in plain clear language: this is a show. Yes, we run it. Sure you can have your opinions but you cannot change anything. We'll just have to work harder to convince you.

Mutatio non potest. Abandon all hope and just forget it.

 

A few questions. From a practical point of view, why do you want to change it? Abandon all hope of what exactly?

Does this country not have enough more important issues or is getting rid of the Monarchy just another diversion to avoid dealing with them?

 

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1 minute ago, eyeball said:

How about a 1st Nation's Monarch for Canada?  That would sure convince me we've learned something about the past.

Why first nations, i think science has already said first nation ancestry can be traced back to the someplace with Asian population that crossed the land bridge... why not some Asian dude, or maybe we just get rid of the old and create some new without any ties to the old nation, or problems. Nah we are not ready for that stuff, but it nice to dream. 

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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Perhaps a referendum is needed to be called. But i have one question, what do we become if we do decide to leave, and do you think today's government can manage to change everything this country is built upon, i don't have that much confidence it could ever be done. 

A republic with the exact same system but the GG replaces the Queen.  But it's never going to happen, nobody wants to reopen the constitution.

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2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

A republic with the exact same system but the GG replaces the Queen.  But it's never going to happen, nobody wants to reopen the constitution.

Why go through the whole process, if we are not going to make it better, get rid of the GG as well, change everything that is linked with the past. No one wants to reopen the constitution is telling about our nation is it not, and it is not like it is a finished document that all provinces agreed to and signed...we just gave up, everyone quit and went home, or they were just too damn lazy.

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30 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Why go through the whole process, if we are not going to make it better, get rid of the GG as well, change everything that is linked with the past. No one wants to reopen the constitution is telling about our nation is it not, and it is not like it is a finished document that all provinces agreed to and signed...we just gave up, everyone quit and went home, or they were just too damn lazy.

If I was going to change the monarchy it would be to give it some measure of moral suasion over the governments it symbolically leads.  In the Queen we had a person who might have had some real ability to instill more capacity in political leaders to be more trustworthy towards all commonwealth subjects.

I don't know if that potential has been lost with Elizabeth's passing or not.  I truly think most people are starving for a leader they can place some faith in.

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If we throw away all out traditions that make us Canada, we will not longer be Canada. We will become a drab, grey stalinist republic. Every constitutional monarch in the world reigns over the most democratic progressive nations around. Japan, Norway, Sweden, the Netherlands, New Zealand, and Canada. OTOH, republics have presidents like Biden, Xi, Putin and Trump. The latter two assumed office with no training or skill. We have a King who has been learning his craft for 60 years. He is intelligent, knowledgeable, and hard working. 

Monarchy is not a popularity contest. Ours is a system that has worked for more than 1500 years, always improving and evolving. Trying to replace the institution is more than stupid and reflects to ignorance of those who would try.

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32 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

If we throw away all

No sorry I wouldn't even comment on all the preposterous, incorrect and clearly false claims. One thing is clear though: change will not come where it's not thought of and not welcome. Dinosaurs know.

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1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

If we throw away all out traditions that make us Canada, we will not longer be Canada. We will become a drab, grey stalinist republic. Every constitutional monarch in the world reigns over the most democratic progressive nations around. Japan, Norway, Sweden, the Netherlands, New Zealand, and Canada. OTOH, republics have presidents like Biden, Xi, Putin and Trump. The latter two assumed office with no training or skill. We have a King who has been learning his craft for 60 years. He is intelligent, knowledgeable, and hard working. 

Monarchy is not a popularity contest. Ours is a system that has worked for more than 1500 years, always improving and evolving. Trying to replace the institution is more than stupid and reflects to ignorance of those who would try.

A bit over dramatic.

Many countries have already renounced the Monarchy without much effort, fanfare or disruption. Canada ca easily do the same

The Shrinking Realm:

"Through the decades, the Commonwealth would see territories lost and countries depart, with some rejoining. By the 1960s, most of Britain’s colonies in Africa and Asia were independent,"

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/queen-elizabeth-commonwealth-realm-shrinking-nations-203450220.html

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37 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Many countries have already renounced the Monarchy without much effort, fanfare or disruption. Canada ca easily do the same

How would that happen, exactly/ It would require opening the constitution. Our governments are not that crazy. Remmember Meech.

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18 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

Does the Monarch have a veto on who  Canada chooses as the Governor-General?

no

the monarch only decides who has Parliamentary Supremacy in the event of a constitutional crisis

first we go to the Viceroy

if that doesn't resolve the crisis

then it goes to Buckingham Palace for final decision

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the assertion that Canada could become a republic is also not the case

Canada is unique amongst British realms

as Canada is the only Confederation of the British Empire

unlike every other realm

Canada is not a unitary state

if you try to make Canada into a republic, you will destroy Canada in the process

starting with Quebec becoming its own republic by default, breaking the Confederation on the spot

the monarchy is the only thing which binds the Condeferation together, make no mistake

Quebec is coincidentally the most British part of Canada

because it is the authority of British Crown

which empowers Quebec to keep Ottawa at arms length

without having to declare independence therein

Quebec has not even ratified the Canada Act 1982

Quebec is still governed by the British North America Act

that could not be so in a unitary republic

only monarchy allows for such asymmetry

je me souviens

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7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Technically, they probably do

no

the authority of the monarch is expressed through Parliamentary Supremacy

founded by William III, Prince of Orange, in the Glorious Revolution of 1688

the leader of the party with Parliamentary Supremacy wields the power of the monarch

and so chooses the Viceroy on behalf of the British Crown

only if it is not clear which leader has that Supremacy,

does the monarch step in to resolve the situation

 

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