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3 hours ago, betsy said:

Russia was emboldened to invade Ukraine because when Putin looked around him............................. he saw only poor leaders.

Putin simply seized the moment.

Crimea joined Russia because of a coup in Kiev in 2014.

(Imagine if Parizeau had succeeded and separated in 1995 and Montreal's west island decided to join Ontario. The Donbass is like Gatineau.)

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IMHO, this is a failure of western diplomats - Clinton, Blair, Bush Jnr, Cheney and so on.

Churchill would never have made this error.

Trudeau Snr understood all this. As he famously said, "They will make the West Island the Danzig of the New World." 

 

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1 hour ago, August1991 said:

Crimea joined Russia because of a coup in Kiev in 2014.

(Imagine if Parizeau had succeeded and separated in 1995 and Montreal's west island decided to join Ontario. The Donbass is like Gatineau.)

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IMHO, this is a failure of western diplomats - Clinton, Blair, Bush Jnr, Cheney and so on.

Churchill would never have made this error.

Trudeau Snr understood all this. As he famously said, "They will make the West Island the Danzig of the New World." 

 

 

The timing was right for Putin.  He looked around him and all he saw were...........................weak leaders.

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Humans have this capacity: to never see something they don't like even if it glares them in the eyes. Nothing about Russia wasn't known since at least 2008, its invasion of Georgia. Eight years (eight!) after invasion and annexation of Crimea 2014, useless posturing and business as usual. Stupid will figure out that blind wouldn't see. Some time it could get us into real serious mess.

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8 hours ago, betsy said:

Russia was emboldened to invade Ukraine because when Putin looked around him............................. he saw only poor leaders.

Putin simply seized the moment.

and faceplanted majestically.  Well done little Vlad. You set your country's economy back to the 1980's.  ?

With that said, Trump was certainly right here, as he was occasionally with other things as well.  I suspect you're not about to tell us about all the times he was wrong though, are you?  

 

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34 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

and faceplanted majestically.  Well done little Vlad. You set your country's economy back to the 1980's.  ?

With that said, Trump was certainly right here, as he was occasionally with other things as well.  I suspect you're not about to tell us about all the times he was wrong though, are you?  

 

Why?

Do you think this thread is about Trump?  Duh.

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You know the expression that unethical leaders love?  Never let a crisis go to waste.  The new generation of amoral scum like to create the crisis in the first place, then push their country towards the outcome they wanted all along.  
 

This may be a long game to cause Russia to topple.  No wonder Russia isn’t taking it lying down…

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On 8/26/2022 at 9:24 AM, betsy said:

 

The timing was right for Putin.  He looked around him and all he saw were...........................weak leaders.

Betsy,

The US and Canada recently changed voting districts.

I have no objection to how anyone changes borders - as long as no one dies in the process.

 

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19 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

haha. You think the man which knocked at the door of the KGB at age 14 did his planning when they were "weak" leaders? "Weak" leaders according to who?

JFK's restraint saved the world from nuclear war, if your man Donnie was in power at that time I wonder how things would have turned out? Was JFK weak according to you?

You want a strong tribal leader, this mentality is very popular in Russia, if you are not happy with our western system do you consider moving to Russia and paying your taxes to Vlad.

The Russians from the Tsar always preffer "strong" leaders with a brief period of attempted democracy. Did not do them in any good in history and they left nothing behind.

when Bush 43 was in office, Putin made a move on Georgia

when Obama was in office, Putin took Crimea

when Trump was in office, Putin bided his time

with Biden in office, Putin invades Ukraine

Putin is clearly better behaved when Donnie is CinC

and makes big moves when he isn't

you do the math

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8 hours ago, myata said:

Wow wow poor Russia invaded and massacred all of its neighbors and all because it's bad bad West's fault. A psycho is envious just not working out so smoothly.

The long game.  That means 15, 20 years ago.  Maybe before Russia broke apart.

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3 hours ago, sharkman said:

Maybe before Russia broke apart.

It helps to brush up on history. Before "Russia" broke up it was called USSR, it invaded and massacred Hungary, Chekhoslovakia, Poland, annexed Baltic states and part of Finland and was one of the most obvious communist totalitarian states. Not to mention, killed millions of her own citizens. Some poor baby sure.

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13 hours ago, Boges said:

I think anyone could have realized that Germany's energy policy is a bit of a joke. 

 

 

A bit of a joke?  That's putting it mildly.

AND YET........we're twisting with Germany right now!

 

 

So far, how many BILLIONS - IN TOTAL - which include military supplies -  have we thrown to this alleged "war?"

 

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4 hours ago, betsy said:

A bit of a joke?  That's putting it mildly.

AND YET........we're twisting with Germany right now!

You mean NATO? 

The precedent of just letting a democracy be annexed by a brutal dictator was pretty well set in 1939. They rarely stop there. 

 

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So far, how many BILLIONS - IN TOTAL - which include military supplies -  have we thrown to this alleged "war?"

I doubt we've spent Billions. The Americans, on the other hand. 

 

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We're up to around $800 million in rather dubious unsecured federal government 'loans' to Ukraine. This is separate from all the lethal aid...guns & ammo etc.  Also separate from any provincial efforts and charities et al...

We won't see a dime. Someone might be getting a kickback or three.

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