Yzermandius19 Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, eyeball said: Who is they and how long have they been planning this? Did it take so long that planners died waiting for it? I mean the storms been a-comin for decades right? Klaus Schwab openly discusses using covid as the excuse for The Great Reset many died waiting for the takeover of the totalitarian left Herbert Marcuse, Paulo Freire and Antonio Gramsci just to name a few Edited August 26, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: 1. it is the case here 2. you aren't saying listen to them by touting the facts they know 3. you are saying listen to them because they are the experts that's an appeal to authority 1. How? 2. They are in possession of esoteric facts - very specialized knowledge that is beyond my ability to make enough sense of on my own to know what to do with, especially during the immediacy of an emergency where their knowledge is the key to getting through it in one piece. I'm a captain that is responsible for the lives of my passengers and crew. They're all told to follow my orders, especially in an emergency. I've been at sea long enough now to have been in several, 4 fires, usually the most dangerous on a boat, a couple of groundings, flooding, life threatening industrial accidents, attending distress calls. Getting the net hung up on bottom with a rising gale was the scariest - we almost tore the drum off the deck and the skipper only broke his leg when the stern caved in. It's patently clear why at times there needs to be someone in complete charge. It's also patently obvious why people are told they need to follow the directions of their captain during an emergency. No one goes aboard a boat blind to the fundamental reality that shit sometimes happens and many do so knowing they are completely out of their element and have little choice but to do as they're told. This is obvious in light of centuries of human experience at sea and learning from both our successes and our failures. 3. I'm not appealing to authority I'm touting it. It's important, there are times we can't afford to ignore it and I know this from decades of my own direct experience as both someone who's followed orders and given them during an emergency. I get it, all I can do is tell you why I get it. As for being a totalitarian I admit I kinda miss the days we used to just hollar sit down shut up and hang on. Nowadays you have to be sensitive because everyone has issues and shit. Retirements really not looking so bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, eyeball said: 1. How? 2. They are in possession of esoteric facts - very specialized knowledge that is beyond my ability to make enough sense of on my own to know what to do with, especially during the immediacy of an emergency where their knowledge is the key to getting through it in one piece. I'm a captain that is responsible for the lives of my passengers and crew. They're all told to follow my orders, especially in an emergency. I've been at sea long enough now to have been in several, 4 fires, usually the most dangerous on a boat, a couple of groundings, flooding, life threatening industrial accidents, attending distress calls. Getting the net hung up on bottom with a rising gale was the scariest - we almost tore the drum off the deck and the skipper only broke his leg when the stern caved in. It's patently clear why at times there needs to be someone in complete charge. It's also patently obvious why people are told they need to follow the directions of their captain during an emergency. No one goes aboard a boat blind to the fundamental reality that shit sometimes happens and many do so knowing they are completely out of their element and have little choice but to do as they're told. This is obvious in light of centuries of human experience at sea and learning from both our successes and our failures. 3. I'm not appealing to authority I'm touting it. It's important, there are times we can't afford to ignore it and I know this from decades of my own direct experience as both someone who's followed orders and given them during an emergency. I get it, all I can do is tell you why I get it. As for being a totalitarian I admit I kinda miss the days we used to just hollar sit down shut up and hang on. Nowadays you have to be sensitive because everyone has issues and shit. Retirements really not looking so bad. you are appealing to authority you just think appealing to authority is the way to go in an emergency that how you justify adopting that fallacious thinking as totalitarians do covid was never an emergency that required totalitarian measures to survive some just claimed it was so because they felt safer living under totalitarian rule it had nothing to do with facts and everything to do with feels you didn't believe the experts because of facts, you did it based on faith in their expertise the experts agree with me is a terrible argument get a better one Edited August 26, 2022 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: Klaus Schwab openly discusses using covid as the excuse for The Great Reset many died waiting for the takeover of the totalitarian left Herbert Marcuse, Paulo Freire and Antonio Gramsci just to name a few That’s the truth of the downfall of western civilization, insofar as we’re losing our liberal-democracy. The totalitarian left ideologues have penetrated the boards of directors, government, and our boards of education. Some big events provided the opportunity: Covid and the death of George Floyd. The purpose of these ideologues was never to reform the system towards greater fairness, health outcomes, and freedom for individuals. It was about destroying capitalism and “the system” to create a top-down Marxist hell led by these same ideologues, the Vanguard of the Proletariat. In such a system history is erased because it’s patriarchal-colonial-capitalist, along with family and individual rights, because all authority resides with the state that knows best what you need. You can see how such an outlook strips away intellectual freedom, property, and even scientific fact, which can be written off as social constructs of the capitalist, colonial past. It can dispense with biological facts because it operates on the ideological plane and relies on propaganda/indoctrination. It’s built on lies. Edited August 26, 2022 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 9 hours ago, eyeball said: She's doing better and coming home soon. ah, thank goodness, glad to hear it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 8 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: eyeball has been wallowing in misery for a lot longer than that if he is going to shill for totalitarians he's gonna get Capps'd if he stops and seeks redemption then I will have his back but that seems highly unlikely I can lead a horse to water but I can't make it drink do as you must tho I don't see how it leads the horse to water in fact, was my point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: do as you must tho I don't see how it leads the horse to water in fact, was my point well if you know a better method to get those who claim to be against totalitarianism yet are pushing totalitarianism to realize they are in denial about supporting what they say they hate lemme know not sure how to do that without pointing out what is really going on how are they going to potentially figure it out if they have blinders on and no one tells what's in their blind spot? Edited August 26, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: how are they going to potentially figure it out if they have blinders on and no one tells what's in their blind spot? Projection is a helluva drug as they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: Projection is a helluva drug as they say. I have a bias sure but bias doesn't blind me or Dougie93 to the degree it blinds most or the way yours blinds you not even close Edited August 26, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: I have a bias sure but bias doesn't blind me or Dougie93 to the degree it blinds most or the way yours blinds you not even close Nope. I'm the rubber you're the glue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, eyeball said: Nope. I'm the rubber you're the glue. OK eyeball wishful thinking is a helluva drug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 8 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: well if you know a better method to get those who claim to be against totalitarianism yet are pushing totalitarianism to realize they are in denial about supporting what they say they hate lemme know not sure how to do that without pointing out what is really going on how are they going to potentially figure it out if they have blinders on and no one tells what's in their blind spot? history shows, there is no way to convince them they will simply be annihilated by their own totalitarianism, when it is turned back against them 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/23/2022 at 11:42 AM, betsy said: Welcome to socialism/communism. People are expendable. This is why the Ukrainians are fighting with their lives for their freedom. They know what Communism is all about and they are dying to defend themselves from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 News Anchor:That has been Dr. Lloyd Jones, head of the University of Suchansuch Astrophysics lab. In the interest of 'balance' here's the opinion of a complete idiot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 Maybe wait until inflation subsides before making food more expensive by reducing crop yields. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 7 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Maybe wait until inflation subsides the narrative being propagated by governments that inflation will "subside" somehow, is nonsense because inflation is simply too many dollars chasing too few products so many dollars have been flooded into the economy now, it would take decades for production to catch up thus, the only way to reduce inflation is to remove dollars from the economy this is done by the central bank raising interest rates well above the level of inflation the commercial banks then put their dollars in the central bank instead of loaning them out but since inflation is already around 8%, that would require interest rates of 12-15% and that would cause the equity markets to collapse, stocks & real estate the governments in power would quickly be thrown out of office in the wake of that so governments are not likely to direct their crony central bankers to do that hence prepare for stagflation, prices continuing to rise, inciting a recession by demand destruction therein back to the Seventies, on steroids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 We’re watching everyone get poorer, squeezed until the loan and mortgage defaults rise to the level that even Wall Street starts begging for mercy. Price bubbles burst, people lose their shirts, especially at the bottom, but even some of the affluent. We just don’t know how tightly the interest rate screws will be wound before this happens. My sense is that there will be a somewhat permanent lowering of living standards for many until the economy realigns, but that could take years as few employers want to raise wages. The only thing saving people is low unemployment. People can find jobs. Low level jobs won’t be enough to pay the rent and provide a few extras. People will be working extra shifts, two jobs, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: We’re watching everyone get poorer, squeezed until the loan and mortgage defaults rise to the level that even Wall Street starts begging for mercy. Price bubbles burst, people lose their shirts, especially at the bottom, but even some of the affluent. We just don’t know how tightly the interest rate screws will be wound before this happens. My sense is that there will be a somewhat permanent lowering of living standards for many until the economy realigns, but that could take years as few employers want to raise wages. The only thing saving people is low unemployment. People can find jobs. Low level jobs won’t be enough to pay the rent and provide a few extras. People will be working extra shifts, two jobs, etc. corrections are a good thing as such hard times breed better men when it teaches them the perils of moral hazard the young men are already becoming aware, it is already driving them towards conservatism thus, things are actually looking up for a change back to the Seventies, maan the last time we were here, it incited a conservative counterrevolution yeehaw Edited August 27, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Maybe wait until inflation subsides before making food more expensive by reducing crop yields. Make sure we're talking about something real first though. I declined to participate in this off the bat, based on my understanding that there's a general goal to make fertilizer more sustainable. Do you know of anything that's more immediate that's happening? Something that might impact us right away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 the price of fertilizer and so food will continue to rise by sheer market forces the Liberal-NDP policies will have little to do with that but the Liberals & NDP will be blamed for it by the enraged masses none the less all to the good in the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 On 8/24/2022 at 10:54 AM, Yzermandius19 said: so did the Truckers and they also stood up for the freedom and livelihoods of more than just themselves yet you look down on them, as if you are better than them so clearly you only care about the livelihoods of people in your industry you're just in it for yourself and your in-group while you throw everyone else under the bus pathetic Actually, there were very few truckers. Most were hangar ons and party goers whatever else.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 On 8/25/2022 at 7:45 PM, cougar said: Gee,stop this nonsense. Maybe the boss of your daughter tells her, hey you just need to roll up your skirt a bit further up to keep your job and so on.... You can't mandate people to take anything they don't want. How many deaths will lifting a skirt prevent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 42 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: We’re watching everyone get poorer, squeezed until the loan and mortgage defaults rise to the level that even Wall Street starts begging for mercy. Price bubbles burst, people lose their shirts, especially at the bottom, but even some of the affluent. We just don’t know how tightly the interest rate screws will be wound before this happens. My sense is that there will be a somewhat permanent lowering of living standards for many until the economy realigns, but that could take years as few employers want to raise wages. The only thing saving people is low unemployment. People can find jobs. Low level jobs won’t be enough to pay the rent and provide a few extras. People will be working extra shifts, two jobs, etc. Gosh, almost the same was said in the late 70's early 80's when interest rates were as high at 18%. We had the oil embargo's where oil prices soared and line ups at gas stations was hours long, if the station even had oil. Average hourly wage was about $3 per hour and average yearly wage was about $21K per year. Inflation was higher than 10% The world did not come to an end , we survived, life went on. Yes it was hard but we survived. We had to adjust our lifestyles to make it. I have not a great deal of sympathy because I lived through interest rate highs and cost of living highs much worse than this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) when the central banks raised interest rates to 18-22% in 1981 the debt to gdp ratio was only 25% the deficit was only 1.5% now the debt to gdp ratio is over 100% the deficit is 15% so the central banks can't raise rates to 18%+ without inciting a massive financial & economic crisis to include sovereign debt crises, as governments themselves cannot pay their debts at higher interest rates which is why they are not raising rates to levels which would contain inflation instead, they are going let inflation burn out of control which will eventually incite a massive financial & economic crisis in of itself nobody alive now has ever lived through anything like this this is an unrepresented debt incited collapse scenario for the modern world most Canadians are simply financially illiterate and historically ignorant so they will have to find out the hard way Edited August 27, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 23 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Actually, there were very few truckers. Most were hangar ons and party goers whatever else.. I’m sorry buts that’s complete nonsense. Most of the people that went to Ottawa had lost their jobs due to the COVID vaccine restrictions placed on certain Canadian workers by an act of government. Get the jab or you can’t work. They weren’t there to party, etc, they had no money to even eat. Then there was the 100,000’s of Canadians that sent money to the trucker convoy and saw their hard earned money seized. Then some of them had their bank accounts seized. Without any court or judge ruling that their money or accounts should be seized. Its far more serious than you suppose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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