Popular Post WestCanMan Posted August 19, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) Everyone in the world knows that high-Ranking FBI officials were demoted, fired, and even charged criminally for their malfeasance in the 3-yr-long Russian collusion witch hunt, which was an overt attempt to slander Donald Trump and to dislodge him as the winner of the 2016 presidential election. In the end, a FISA court judge released a statement saying that the FBI's conduct in the Russian Collusion investigation was "so egregious that it cast a shroud of doubt over every FBI investigation ever conducted". Then on Oct 8 2020, just a month before the 2020 election, the FBI started lying to Americans about their own fabricated attempt to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer, the governor of a large swing state. That little bit of FBI skullduggery was undoubtedly a huge blow to the Republicans' election hopes. At almost the exact same time, about a month before the 2020 election, the FBI and the intel community were also lying to Americans about the validity of the Hunter laptop, and telling them that it was just "Russian disinformation". The MSM ran with that claim, and Twitter took the extraordinary step of banning the New York Post for publishing laptop info that Twitter called "Russian disinformation". The laptop and its contents are now known to be 100% legitimate, but what's really important to consider the fact that the FBI already had the laptop in their possession for approximately 11 months at the time they falsely called it "Russian disinformation" - they obtained it in Dec of 2019. Was the FBI fabricating a second story for the American public (voters) right before the 2020 election? Honestly, if there was a legitimate federal police force in the United States, they'd be investigating the FBI for concurrently running two frauds on the American people which both influenced the 2020 election in favour of the Dems. Ooh, but there's more. Given the FBI's history of getting agents into the mix to incite violence and (reportedly) even being involved in setting up terrorist plots, it's almost impossible to believe that they didn't have agent provocateurs influencing people on and before Jan 6th. Ray Epps is a shining example - a guy who was caught on video multiple times in different places influencing people to enter the capitol buildings, and even being there when the first gate was stormed, and yet miraculously he's not charged with anything. So, in a time where the DOJ is going after anyone and everyone involved in the Jan 6th event, racking up more Jan 6th convictions than BLM riot convictions, Ray Epps officially "did nothing wrong" according to them. The Dems, the DOJ and their FBI are completely fixated on Jan 6th now. The 2 hrs of rioting at the capitol produced more criminals than all of the rioting, looting, arson, overrunning of gov't buildings, assaults and murders at the 4 months of BLM riots in 2020. There are 300 criminal cases and 120 convictions from all of the BLM riots, which caused billions of dollars in damages, and 895 people charged with crimes on Jan 6th. The Dems and the MSM were cheerleaders when BLM was destroying communities, local residents were supposed to condone and support all of the violence in their own neighbourhoods, but two hours of semi-rioting at the capitol was enough to give some of those same people PTSD (AOC). The FBI has to go after them ALL. All of them except for Ray Epps, that is. If we tie everything up and put a bow on it, this is the view from 30,000 feet: the Dems slander and malign local police constantly, even going so far as to recommend "defunding police", and the FBI now has an extensive history of fabricating stories of corruption and violence against the Republicans while downplaying crimes by the DNC, and even giving its members prosecutorial immunity for no reason at all. Which begs the question - are the Dems trying to get rid of local law enforcement agencies to make room for an increase of the role of their own federal police force? The last paragraph is an aside, the main question is, are the FBI just blatantly using their power and influence to change election outcomes? Edited August 19, 2022 by WestCanMan 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 They go into greater detail on those and offer a few more at the link below: Think The FBI Deserves The Benefit Of The Doubt? This Laundry List Of Corruption Should Make You Think Again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: Think The FBI Deserves The Benefit Of The Doubt? This Laundry List Of Corruption Should Make You Think Again This is my second-favourite part about the whole "Russian collusion investigation", aka "the Big Lie" (My favourite part is that Hillary's lawyer and an FBI lawyer were both charged criminally and that McCabe & Strzok were fired): Quote The FBI knew the dossier lacked credibility as early as January 2017 and knew Steele’s material itself contained Russian disinformation. This means that Hillary paid a foreign spy for Russian disinformation to start a bogus investigation into a duly elected president. I thought that colluding with Russians to influence elections was supposed to be bad or something....???? I'd say that the FBI is a joke but it's not even funny how corrupt they are. They make the KGB look like shining guardians of freedom and liberty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 Quote Despite the overt abuse of the nation’s surveillance apparatus to spy on political opponents, only one FBI official has faced criminal conviction for his role in the probe. In January last year, former FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith was sentenced to just 12 months probation after pleading guilty to fabricating evidence to obtain a FISA warrant. By December, Clinesmith was re-admitted to the D.C. Bar Association in good standing. Another classic example of how much of a complete shit-show the US DOJ is. You can plead guilty to fabricating evidence to obtain a FISA warrant and yet you're not disbarred or anything, you are still a member of the bar association in good standing lol. You couldn't write a book and have this much overt corruption in it because people would reject the entire plot as being farcical in nature. Honestly, what do you have to do to get disbarred? Express doubts about the integrity of the 2020 election? Quote Steele’s primary sub-source, Igor Danchenko, was indicted in November on five counts of making false statements to the FBI. In May, a D.C. jury acquitted former Clinton campaign attorney Michael Sussmann on charges of lying to the FBI when submitting supposed evidence of Trump-Russian collusion to federal investigators. If you think bout this for a minute... The FBI knew Danchenko's intel was bogus early in 2017 but they used it for 2 more years to run their farcical investigation, then when the investigation was finally done and they didn't need it anymore they charged him for creating it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sharkman Posted August 19, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 DOJ. FBI. CIA. State Department. It would take some kind of blood bath or civil war to bring them down. And what would cause a civil war, since the MSM won’t report on any of this? Major food crisis, energy disruption and thousands mysteriously dying(from the 3-4 shots) when the news gets out from under the media’s control. An awful thing to even consider… 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 On 8/19/2022 at 12:27 PM, sharkman said: DOJ. FBI. CIA. State Department. It would take some kind of blood bath or civil war to bring them down. And what would cause a civil war, since the MSM won’t report on any of this? Exactly what are you guys waiting for anyway? Storm's a-coming or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 In other FBI embarrassments, they apparently uncovered a ton of images, CD-Rs and hard drives from Epstein’s mansion. And did they use this evidence to go after pedo’s and law breakers. No they did not. Dollars to donuts, they are using the materials to blackmail people, just like Hoover did and no doubt they’ve been doing ever since. Let justice be done though the heavens fall. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 Let's all make sure we NEVER use cites everyone! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 5 hours ago, sharkman said: In other FBI embarrassments, they apparently uncovered a ton of images, CD-Rs and hard drives from Epstein’s mansion. And did they use this evidence to go after pedo’s and law breakers. No they did not. Dollars to donuts, they are using the materials to blackmail people, just like Hoover did and no doubt they’ve been doing ever since. Let justice be done though the heavens fall. Ghislaine Maxwell. Prince Andrew may not go to jail but he is royally screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 On 8/20/2022 at 8:23 PM, eyeball said: Exactly what are you guys waiting for anyway? Storm's a-coming or not? Gee eyeball...are you one of those FBI moles trying to start a real war? Some Libbies are so disgustingly pathetic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 On 8/21/2022 at 2:41 PM, Michael Hardner said: Let's all make sure we NEVER use cites everyone! None of this is new information. It has all been cited multiple times on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 20 hours ago, Aristides said: Ghislaine Maxwell. Prince Andrew may not go to jail but he is royally screwed. One guy? You think that Epstein bought an island and imported all those underage sex workers just for one guy? Wow, Prince Andrew must be one raging pervert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 On 8/21/2022 at 2:12 PM, sharkman said: In other FBI embarrassments, they apparently uncovered a ton of images, CD-Rs and hard drives from Epstein’s mansion. And did they use this evidence to go after pedo’s and law breakers. No they did not. Dollars to donuts, they are using the materials to blackmail people, just like Hoover did and no doubt they’ve been doing ever since. Let justice be done though the heavens fall. Yeah, the workers there have said since the beginning that there were video cameras everywhere all over inside the buildings on the island. The FBI is too busy lying about Russian collusion, Ukrainian collusion, the Whitmer kidnapping scandal, the Hunter laptop, and Jan 6th to go after a bunch of uber-wealthy pedophiles. I think that you hit the nail on the head with: "Dollars to donuts, they are using the materials to blackmail people, just like Hoover did and no doubt they’ve been doing ever since." In the Russian collusion farce, when they weren't breaking laws they were trying to get false testimony from people like Manafort and Flynn for reduced sentencing for crimes (or non-crimes) that had nothing to do with Russian collusion. Bureau of Fraud, Blackmail and [dis]Information. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 2 hours ago, WestCanMan said: One guy? You think that Epstein bought an island and imported all those underage sex workers just for one guy? Wow, Prince Andrew must be one raging pervert. Well, Trump and Epstein were buddies until they had a falling out over a real estate deal. You might want to be careful what you ask for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Aristides said: Well, Trump and Epstein were buddies until they had a falling out over a real estate deal. You might want to be careful what you ask for. How do you know what they had a falling out over? In Trump's own words, Epstein was banned from Mar-a-Lago about 20 years ago because of an alleged incident with one of his staff there. Beave has tried to make the case that Trump and Epstein were fast friends until the end, but his articles never backed his words. He couldn't find anything more recent than about 2001 or 2003, although he did pretend that it was current. You know as well as I do that the MSM would never say that Trump was one of the very few wealthy Americans who had the decency to sever ties with Epstein as a result of Epstein's "issues", so blaming it on a real estate deal is a good excuse for them. At any rate, it's a major improvement if they're finally acknowledging that Trump and Epstein weren't best buds 'til the bitter end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 There's a chance that the FBI's decision to put a lid on what happened on Epstein's island had something to do with their continued election fraud, but I obviously can't make that case and it's not a reasonable accusation to make at all. Mention of it in here is ok just as proof of the level of the FBI's douche-baggery, but no one is trying to make the case that it is in any way proof of what the OP claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted September 4, 2022 Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 On 8/19/2022 at 11:49 AM, WestCanMan said: so egregious that it cast a shroud of doubt over every FBI investigation ever conducted". Can you give us a link to that judicial ruling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted September 4, 2022 Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) On 8/23/2022 at 1:17 AM, WestCanMan said: There's a chance that the FBI's decision to put a lid on what happened on Epstein's island had something to do with their continued election fraud, but I obviously can't make that case and it's not a reasonable accusation to make at all. Mention of it in here is ok just as proof of the level of the FBI's douche-baggery, but no one is trying to make the case that it is in any way proof of what the OP claims. Wasn’t it a Trump Cabinet appointee who oversaw that investigation and gave Epstein the plea bargain of a lifetime? And isn’t it the plea bargain that ended the investigation? Edited September 4, 2022 by Rebound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted September 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Rebound said: Wasn’t it a Trump Cabinet appointee who oversaw that investigation and gave Epstein the plea bargain of a lifetime? And isn’t it the plea bargain that ended the investigation? Cite. You can track that down if you want to. I'm not aware of a hugely successful plea bargain by Epstein before he died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted September 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rebound said: Can you give us a link to that judicial ruling? WTF. I already replied to this. Now I have to do it all over again.... Here it is, right from fake news CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/17/politics/fisa-court-slams-fbi-conduct Quote “ The frequency with which representations made by FBI personnel turned out to be unsupported or contradicted by information in their possession, and with which they withheld information detrimental to their case, calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable,” federal Judge Rosemary Collyer wrote in an order from the court published Tuesday. contradicted by information in their possession - FYI that means that the FBI lied. Lied. they withheld information detrimental to their case - FYI that's a crime. calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable - that means that the FBI's misconduct was so frequent and so serious in this case that it's reasonable to assume that they committed similar misconduct in other investigations. That's how you provide a cite Rebound. Now you need to do that for the oter thread where you said that there was "evidence that Trump committed several crimes". Edited September 4, 2022 by WestCanMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted September 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, WestCanMan said: WTF. I already replied to this. Now I have to do it all over again.... Here it is, right from fake news CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/17/politics/fisa-court-slams-fbi-conduct contradicted by information in their possession - FYI that means that the FBI lied. Lied. they withheld information detrimental to their case - FYI that's a crime. calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable - that means that the FBI's misconduct was so frequent and so serious in this case that it's reasonable to assume that they committed similar misconduct in other investigations. That's how you provide a cite Rebound. Now you need to do that for the oter thread where you said that there was "evidence that Trump committed several crimes". Just to make sure that reply doesn't go away. I wasted a lot of time on that. Edited September 4, 2022 by WestCanMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted September 4, 2022 Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 38 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: WTF. I already replied to this. Now I have to do it all over again.... Here it is, right from fake news CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/17/politics/fisa-court-slams-fbi-conduct contradicted by information in their possession - FYI that means that the FBI lied. Lied. they withheld information detrimental to their case - FYI that's a crime. calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable - that means that the FBI's misconduct was so frequent and so serious in this case that it's reasonable to assume that they committed similar misconduct in other investigations. That's how you provide a cite Rebound. Now you need to do that for the oter thread where you said that there was "evidence that Trump committed several crimes". Sorry, that's not how you provide a cite. See, you said the judge said this: "So egregious that it cast a shroud of doubt over every FBI investigation ever conducted". But the judge did not say that. YOU are saying that lying is a terrible bad thing, and yet you have been deceitful here. So, let's pretend it's Christmas, and I'll give you a do-over... just say, "Opps, my bad, I mis-quoted the judge." And that will be fine with me, as long as you follow the one rule of apologizing: Do not ever use the word "but" in making an apology. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted September 4, 2022 Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 56 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Cite. You can track that down if you want to. I'm not aware of a hugely successful plea bargain by Epstein before he died. Sure: Trump Defends Labor Secretary Acosta Over Epstein Plea Deal "President Trump is standing by Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta, at least for now. Acosta is facing calls for his resignation after new sex trafficking charges were filed against multimillionaire Jeffrey Epstein on Monday. Back in 2007, Acosta, who was then a U.S. attorney, oversaw a plea agreement that gave Epstein immunity from federal prosecution and allowed him to plead guilty to lesser state charges. At the time, Epstein was accused of sexually abusing young girls. Asked about Acosta, Trump said the plea deal happened many years ago and that he did not think this was a decision that Acosta made on his own. "What I do know is that he's been a really, really great secretary of labor." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted September 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 24 minutes ago, Rebound said: Sorry, that's not how you provide a cite. See, you said the judge said this: "So egregious that it cast a shroud of doubt over every FBI investigation ever conducted". But the judge did not say that. YOU are saying that lying is a terrible bad thing, and yet you have been deceitful here. So, let's pretend it's Christmas, and I'll give you a do-over... just say, "Opps, my bad, I mis-quoted the judge." And that will be fine with me, as long as you follow the one rule of apologizing: Do not ever use the word "but" in making an apology. That's a cite, Einstein. It's a link to a leftist-approved site, which you have no choice but to believe verbatim, and it provided a direct quote from the exact person that I said it did, stating what I claimed they said. I just paraphrased because the quote is almost 2 years old. FYI The frequency with which representations made by FBI personnel turned out to be unsupported or contradicted by information in their possession, and with which they withheld information detrimental to their case, = egregious behaviour FYI "Calls into question" = "casts a shroud of doubt" FYI "whether or not information contained in other FBI applications is reliable" = "over every FBI investigation ever conducted" Grow up, son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted September 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 34 minutes ago, Rebound said: Sure: Trump Defends Labor Secretary Acosta Over Epstein Plea Deal "President Trump is standing by Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta, at least for now. Acosta is facing calls for his resignation after new sex trafficking charges were filed against multimillionaire Jeffrey Epstein on Monday. Back in 2007, Acosta, who was then a U.S. attorney, oversaw a plea agreement that gave Epstein immunity from federal prosecution and allowed him to plead guilty to lesser state charges. At the time, Epstein was accused of sexually abusing young girls. Asked about Acosta, Trump said the plea deal happened many years ago and that he did not think this was a decision that Acosta made on his own. "What I do know is that he's been a really, really great secretary of labor." So you got stooged. Shocker. You said "a Trump Cabinet appointee who oversaw that investigation and gave Epstein the plea bargain of a lifetime? And isn’t it the plea bargain that ended the investigation." The deal in question was from 2007, and Acosta wasn't appointed by Trump when that happened. Trump also said that "Acosta was doing a really good job" under his own administration, which started in 2017. FYI that's ten years later. And FYI Epstein was indicted when Trump was POTUS. He skated through 8 years of Obama untouched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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