Aristides Posted September 11, 2022 Report Share Posted September 11, 2022 51 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: The "anyone who's fit to be the leader of a country is able to figure out for themselves whether or not something should be classified "Secret" or higher" statement makes absolute sense. If that stupid ho became POTUS she'd have had the ability to declassify anything she wanted. What a disaster that would have been. So you actually think a president is an expert in all the fields and operations of government agencies. How naive. The fact is, most declassifications are requested by those departments, not instigated by the president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted September 11, 2022 Report Share Posted September 11, 2022 18 hours ago, Infidel Dog said: Go Trump. You missed the party where he and his cronies are pocketing the money for themselves 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted September 11, 2022 Report Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) Just so there’s no confusion about the terrible security at Mar-Lago, it’s already been infiltrated by Russian-Ukrainian  criminals:  Ukrainian woman posing as Rothschild family member infiltrated Mar-a-Lago: report   She appeared at numerous Mar-a-Lago functions mingling with the likes of Trump, South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham and others while she held the position as president of United Hearts of Mercy, founded by Florida-based Russian oligarch and former business partner Valery Tarasenko in Canada in 2015, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.  Yashchyshyn, 33, is now the subject of several federal investigations after it was revealed she is not in fact a member of the Rothschild family. She’s additionally under investigation by Canadian authorities for alleged financial crimes. In actuality, Yashchyshyn is the Russian-speaking daughter of an Illinois truck driver. It’s unclear when she came to the US. …Yashchyshyn formerly worked in a suburban Miami business connecting pregnant Russian women to Americans looking to adopt a child, the Post-Gazette reported. …Photos from 2021 show the brunette hanging out with Trump, Graham and others, according to the reports.  https://nypost.com/2022/08/26/ukrainian-woman-inna-yashchyshyn-posing-as-rothschild-family-member-infiltrated-mar-a-lago/amp/ Edited September 11, 2022 by BeaverFever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted September 11, 2022 Report Share Posted September 11, 2022 If you support Trump the news will always get worse for you. He’s a career criminal with no respect for laws, let alone norms of behaviour, and that ain’t going to change any time soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted September 11, 2022 Report Share Posted September 11, 2022 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: You missed the party where he and his cronies are pocketing the money for themselves Show me what you're talking about. Otherwise you're just doing your baseless slur n smear thing again. I hope you're not talking about THIS because your own media "fact checkers" gave that four Pinocchios. I know this the campaigns he's been supporting in the primaries have won 8 out 10. Go America First!  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted September 11, 2022 Report Share Posted September 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: Show me what you're talking about. Otherwise you're just doing your baseless slur n smear thing again. I hope you're not talking about THIS because your own media "fact checkers" gave that four Pinocchios. I know this the campaigns he's been supporting in the primaries have won 8 out 10. Go America First!  https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2021/02/05/trump-shifted-campaign-donor-money-into-his-private-business-after-losing-the-election/?sh=702967441817 https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/09/trump-tells-donors-to-give-him-money-not-republicans-in-name-only.html https://www.npr.org/2022/09/07/1121447226/steve-bannon-fraud-charges https://frontpagelive.com/2019/11/08/trump-admits-to-using-veterans-fundraiser-money-to-buy-a-portrait-of-himself-for-his-hotel/ https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/19/trump-raised-200m-from-false-election-claims-what-happens-to-the-money-now  Too many to list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted September 11, 2022 Report Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Aristides said: https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2021/02/05/trump-shifted-campaign-donor-money-into-his-private-business-after-losing-the-election/?sh=702967441817 https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/09/trump-tells-donors-to-give-him-money-not-republicans-in-name-only.html https://www.npr.org/2022/09/07/1121447226/steve-bannon-fraud-charges https://frontpagelive.com/2019/11/08/trump-admits-to-using-veterans-fundraiser-money-to-buy-a-portrait-of-himself-for-his-hotel/ https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/19/trump-raised-200m-from-false-election-claims-what-happens-to-the-money-now  Too many to list. I love the way you clowns post links and assume everybody else will do what you do and not read past the titles. OK so here are Trump's crimes you would have discovered if you'd read on: He billed the government for services such as airfare and lodging to his businesses. What a horrible capitalist swine expecting return for services rendered. He pushes an America First agenda over the Neo Con International first and the McConnell RINO Chamber of Commerce first agenda. So people are happy to donate for America First and he's happy to let them. The criminal. The Swamp wants to get Steve Bannon. Poor Steve, I guess, but other than that what are you hoping to prove? The Trump Foundation was formed before Trump decided to run for President. It was formed so he could use the money he got from his book, The Art of the Deal and donations from others to support charities the 501c supported. As is common with such NGOs money was slipped into questionable investments (See Zuckerbucks.) When Trump ran for President and won the Powers that Be decided this was one of those things that was different when Trump did it. Actually his kids were in charge. So the court made them give the money to charities it picked out. Boo hoo. The far left muck rakers at The Guardian asked the question concerning money in Trump's Save America PAC what happens to the money now? Well, that was back in 2020 and now we know. Like I said 8 out of 10 of the America First Primary candidates Trump supported went on to win. And that's just the beginning. I'm Canadian but even I get it...America First. People donate to support it and Trump makes sure America First Candidates get elected. Edited September 11, 2022 by Infidel Dog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted September 11, 2022 Report Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: I love the way you clowns post links and assume everybody else will do what you do and not read past the titles. OK so here are Trump's crimes you would have discovered if you'd read on: He billed the government for services such as airfare and lodging to his businesses. What a horrible capitalist swine expecting return for services rendered. He pushes an America First agenda over the Neo Con International first and the McConnell RINO Chamber of Commerce first agenda. So people are happy to donate for America First and he's happy to let them. The criminal. The Swamp wants to get Steve Bannon. Poor Steve, I guess, but other than that what are you hoping to prove? The Trump Foundation was formed before Trump decided to run for President. It was formed so he could use the money he got from his book, The Art of the Deal and donations from others to support charities the 501c supported. As is common with such NGOs money was slipped into questionable investments (See Zuckerbucks.) When Trump ran for President and won the Powers that Be decided this was one of those things that was different when Trump did it. Actually his kids were in charge. So the court made them give the money to charities it picked out. Boo hoo. The far left muck rakers at The Guardian asked the question concerning money in Trump's Save America PAC what happens to the money now? Well, that was back in 2020 and now we know. Like I said 8 out of 10 of the America First Primary candidates Trump supported went on to win. And that's just the beginning. I'm Canadian but even I get it...America First. People donate to support it and Trump makes sure America First Candidates get elected. Yes, he shovels millions of donated money into his own companies. He uses his office for profit, but of course the Trump cult has no problem with that. If Trudeau or Biden did that you would be screaming COORUUPTION till the cows came home.  Bannon is charged with fraud and money laundering. Suckers like you are lining up to be stiffed by these grifters. Edited September 11, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted September 11, 2022 Report Share Posted September 11, 2022 6 hours ago, Aristides said: So you actually think a president is an expert in all the fields and operations of government agencies. How naive. The fact is, most declassifications are requested by those departments, not instigated by the president. What you said amounts to ZERO. What I said still stands, untouched. "The woman who was dumb enough to STILL have loads of info on her server that was TOP Secret and even higher, AFTER she deleted 33,000 emails (after they were subpoenaed), would have had the ultimate say in what was classified and what wasn't in the United States if she became POTUS." What a disaster that would have been.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted September 11, 2022 Report Share Posted September 11, 2022 Just now, WestCanMan said: What you said amounts to ZERO. What I said still stands, untouched. "The woman who was dumb enough to STILL have loads of info on her server that was TOP Secret and even higher, AFTER she deleted 33,000 emails (after they were subpoenaed), would have had the ultimate say in what was classified and what wasn't in the United States if she became POTUS." What a disaster that would have been.  LOOK OVER THERE!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted September 11, 2022 Report Share Posted September 11, 2022 54 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: I love the way you clowns post links and assume everybody else will do what you do and not read past the titles. OK so here are Trump's crimes you would have discovered if you'd read on: He billed the government for services such as airfare and lodging to his businesses. What a horrible capitalist swine expecting return for services rendered. He pushes an America First agenda over the Neo Con International first and the McConnell RINO Chamber of Commerce first agenda. So people are happy to donate for America First and he's happy to let them. The criminal. The Swamp wants to get Steve Bannon. Poor Steve, I guess, but other than that what are you hoping to prove? The Trump Foundation was formed before Trump decided to run for President. It was formed so he could use the money he got from his book, The Art of the Deal and donations from others to support charities the 501c supported. As is common with such NGOs money was slipped into questionable investments (See Zuckerbucks.) When Trump ran for President and won the Powers that Be decided this was one of those things that was different when Trump did it. Actually his kids were in charge. So the court made them give the money to charities it picked out. Boo hoo. The far left muck rakers at The Guardian asked the question concerning money in Trump's Save America PAC what happens to the money now? Well, that was back in 2020 and now we know. Like I said 8 out of 10 of the America First Primary candidates Trump supported went on to win. It makes absolutely no sense that anyone or any group can raise millions of dollars in order to promote political causes, and not be required to provide full audited accountings of how the money was spent.  Democrat, Republican, whatever… they form tax-exempt organizations and those funds must be accounted for, it’s just that simple.   Bannon raised money and his group stated repeatedly that 100% of all proceeds would fund construction of a wall, yet they kept a huge proportion of the money for themselves, apparently they didn’t declare it as income and they tried to hide the payments.  It’s illegal to do that. And it wasn’t $5,000, it was over one million dollars.  Then, Bannon decided that he didn’t need to respond to a Congressional subpoena. That the law didn’t apply to him.  Now he can sit in a prison cell and ponder that.  He might not like the US Congress, but the law is the law.  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted September 12, 2022 Report Share Posted September 12, 2022 Bannon faced the same charges by the DoJ back in August 2020. Trump pardoned him before he even went to trial. Innocent people don't need pardons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted September 12, 2022 Report Share Posted September 12, 2022 31 minutes ago, Aristides said: LOOK OVER THERE!!! In case you're completely unaware for some bizarre reason, the thread is about the FBI leading the US down the road to becoming a banana republic, and the topic of Hillary Clinton's hundred "get out of jail free" cards is completely germane to the topic of unequal justice under the law. GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted September 12, 2022 Report Share Posted September 12, 2022 28 minutes ago, Rebound said: Then, Bannon decided that he didn’t need to respond to a Congressional subpoena. Do you feel like it's suddenly wrong to disobey a congressional subpoena? Is there some kind of on/off switch? How do you know when it's legal and when it's not? Can you "obey the subpoena" by just going to your FBI interview and claiming "temporary amnesia", and saying "I don't know" to everything? How many times can you get this temporary amnesia in your lifetime - is twice the max? Can everyone do it on two different occasions or are some people just lucky? Is it also ok to destroy the majority of the evidence required, so that you can still technically comply by turning in all of the remaining evidence? Or is this all somehow related to your political affiliation, as the thread implies? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted September 12, 2022 Report Share Posted September 12, 2022 31 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Do you feel like it's suddenly wrong to disobey a congressional subpoena? Is there some kind of on/off switch? How do you know when it's legal and when it's not? Can you "obey the subpoena" by just going to your FBI interview and claiming "temporary amnesia", and saying "I don't know" to everything? How many times can you get this temporary amnesia in your lifetime - is twice the max? Can everyone do it on two different occasions or are some people just lucky? Is it also ok to destroy the majority of the evidence required, so that you can still technically comply by turning in all of the remaining evidence? Or is this all somehow related to your political affiliation, as the thread implies? Well Bannon must have shit lawyers because he was found guilty of contempt by a jury, so I guess not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted September 12, 2022 Report Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Aristides said: Well Bannon must have shit lawyers because he was found guilty of contempt by a jury, so I guess not. Well that's equal application of the law for ya. Maybe if his wife was the ex-president she could have met the AG on a tarmac somewhere and he wouldn't even have been indicted. Edited September 12, 2022 by WestCanMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted September 12, 2022 Report Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Well that's equal application of the law for ya. Maybe if his wife was the ex-president she could have met the AG on a tarmac somewhere and he wouldn't even have been indicted. Trump was in power when he was indicted by the DoJ and Barr was the Attorney General. Try again. Also, look up how juries are selected. Edited September 12, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted September 12, 2022 Report Share Posted September 12, 2022 12 hours ago, Rebound said: It makes absolutely no sense that anyone or any group can raise millions of dollars in order to promote political causes, and not be required to provide full audited accountings of how the money was spent.  Democrat, Republican, whatever… they form tax-exempt organizations and those funds must be accounted for, it’s just that simple.   Bannon raised money and his group stated repeatedly that 100% of all proceeds would fund construction of a wall, yet they kept a huge proportion of the money for themselves, apparently they didn’t declare it as income and they tried to hide the payments.  It’s illegal to do that. And it wasn’t $5,000, it was over one million dollars.  Then, Bannon decided that he didn’t need to respond to a Congressional subpoena. That the law didn’t apply to him.  Now he can sit in a prison cell and ponder that.  He might not like the US Congress, but the law is the law.  Except when it comes to Hunter, Joe and every single lying bastard who claimed Hunter's laptop was " Russian Disinformation ". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted September 12, 2022 Report Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Except when it comes to Hunter, Joe and every single lying bastard who claimed Hunter's laptop was " Russian Disinformation ". Besides the fact that "Whatabout Hunter Biden's Laptop" is seemingly the only answer to ant question you're ever asked, what does it actually have to do with campaign finance? To be clear: Who is defending Hunter Biden here? If he broke any laws, he should be prosecuted. But that has absolutely nothing to do with Mr. Bannon's criminal acts, which have already resulted in felony convictions for his three co-conspirators, and would have included Bannon but for a Presidential pardon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted September 12, 2022 Report Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rebound said: Besides the fact that "Whatabout Hunter Biden's Laptop" is seemingly the only answer to ant question you're ever asked, what does it actually have to do with campaign finance? To be clear: Who is defending Hunter Biden here? If he broke any laws, he should be prosecuted. But that has absolutely nothing to do with Mr. Bannon's criminal acts, which have already resulted in felony convictions for his three co-conspirators, and would have included Bannon but for a Presidential pardon. Yes and this outlandish attack on anyone associated with Trump is going to come back to haunt you and the Democrats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted September 12, 2022 Report Share Posted September 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Yes and this outlandish attack on anyone associated with Trump is going to come back to haunt you and the Democrats. You go right ahead and haunt me when former White House aides to Obama or Biden show up in court wearing handcuffs. You see, I have no opposition to criminals going to prison. Only the MAGA guys do. No-one from the Obama Administration was found guilty of a crime, except for David Petraeus. Oh, and please remind me, what crime was David Petraeus convicted of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted September 12, 2022 Report Share Posted September 12, 2022 10 hours ago, Aristides said: Trump was in power when he was indicted by the DoJ and Barr was the Attorney General. Try again. So conservatives aren't afraid to charge people for crimes. Shocker. Quote Also, look up how juries are selected. Look up "how to form a jury when there's no indictment" genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted September 12, 2022 Report Share Posted September 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, Rebound said: Besides the fact that "Whatabout Hunter Biden's Laptop" is seemingly the only answer to ant question you're ever asked, what does it actually have to do with campaign finance? To be clear: Who is defending Hunter Biden here? If he broke any laws, he should be prosecuted. But that has absolutely nothing to do with Mr. Bannon's criminal acts, which have already resulted in felony convictions for his three co-conspirators, and would have included Bannon but for a Presidential pardon. This thread is about the US becoming a banana republic. The topic of Hunter's laptop isn't 'whataboutism' here - it's just another example of the FBI being a political operator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted September 12, 2022 Report Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, Infidel Dog said: Show me what you're talking about. Otherwise you're just doing your baseless slur n smear thing again. I hope you're not talking about THIS because your own media "fact checkers" gave that four Pinocchios. I know this the campaigns he's been supporting in the primaries have won 8 out 10. Go America First!  Trump threatened to sue the Lincoln Project over their ad. The Lincoln Project founder Rick Wilson posted a video reply on Twitter, which in part says: "You threatened to sue the Lincoln Project this morning. Go For It! Go for it, b**ch! Come at me. I can't wait. We're delighted by the thought that you would try to sue us, Donald. Do it! Do it! I double-dog dare you. You aren't going to sue anybody, Donald. You aren't going to do a damn thing. You are weak, you are impotent, you are flabby, you are sitting there in the bridal suite at Mar-a-Lago, wondering why the Lincoln Project keeps coming at you. Wanna know why? Because you are a threat to democracy, you are a threat to America. You are a thief of classified documents, you are a traitor, you tried to overthrow our government. We're here, you're not, we will keep kicking your ass every day. Go f**k yourself. So if you want to sue us, go ahead. You won't do it, because you are completely impotent. Just ask Melania. " Edited September 12, 2022 by Rebound 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted September 12, 2022 Report Share Posted September 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Rebound said: You go right ahead and haunt me when former White House aides to Obama or Biden show up in court wearing handcuffs. Hillary's lawyer lied to the FBI and gave them false evidence to start a massive witch hunt against a sitting president - no crime because the FBI is so legit. Kevin Clinesmith might not be 'an associate' per se, but he's definitely Hillary's man because he worked for her, and he altered evidence and provided the newly falsified evidence to the FISA court in order to get a warrant to spy on Trump's campaign. He even pleaded guilty to all of that. Instead of being in jail he's still a lawyer in good standing at the bar association. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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