'Merica officially becomes Venezuela: Maralogo raided by Biden's goon squad

[-TSS-]

Have they really thought this through? I always believed that Trump wasn't going to run but this episode changes everything. 

Now if he doesn't run it seems like weakness and defeat. If they really want to get rid of him perhaps they should have left him alone. 

Of course there's that theoretical possibility that the justice system actually is neutral and doesn't work based on how it affects politics. 

Anyone who believes such idealistic but hopelessly childish nonsense needs to grow up. 

Edited August 12, 2022 by -TSS-

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, -TSS- said:

Have they really thought this through? I always believed that Trump wasn't going to run but this episode changes everything. 

Now if he doesn't run it seems like weakness and defeat. If they really want to get rid of him perhaps they should have left him alone. 

Of course there's that theoretical possibility that the justice system actually is neutral and doesn't work based on how it affects politics. 

Anyone who believes such idealistic but hopelessly childish nonsense needs to grow up. 

The DoJ and police aren't supposed to be neutral, they are there to represent the public.

Edited August 12, 2022 by Aristides

[TreeBeard]

12 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

if he planned to take classified documents with him, why would you assume he didn't declassify them before doing so, when he easily could have?

the whole theory makes no sense, the FBI is full of shit, obvious witch hunt is obvious

The president cannot declassify nuclear secrets. 
 

Other stuff could have been re-classified and the ex-president would have had to return them. 
 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/trump-fbi-raid-classified-nuclear-documents/671119/

[DogOnPorch]

Does one really think there are "nuclear secrets" in the boxes Trump had aids pack for him from his apparent belongings & records at the White House? Really? What would these "nuclear secrets" be? Did the FBI plant any "nuclear secrets" when they forced everybody to leave? Were the "nuclear secrets" in Melania's underwear drawer? They looked...

Corruption rules the land...

[Aristides]

7 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Does one really think there are "nuclear secrets" in the boxes Trump had aids pack for him from his apparent belongings & records at the White House? Really? What would these "nuclear secrets" be? Did the FBI plant any "nuclear secrets" when they forced everybody to leave? Were the "nuclear secrets" in Melania's underwear drawer? They looked...

Corruption rules the land...

Trump was given a receipt for everything taken, so we will see.

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Aristides said:

Trump was given a receipt for everything taken, so we will see.

 

The Jews were given receipts for their belongings too. They reside in museums now.

[Aristides]

9 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

The Jews were given receipts for their belongings too. They reside in museums now.

This is not his personal property. By law, these records are supposed to be kept in the National Archives. What does that have to do with Jews?

Edited August 12, 2022 by Aristides

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

This is not his personal property. By law, these records are supposed to be kept in the National Archives. What does that have to do with Jews?

 

I doubt ANYBODY here can attest to who actually owns the property in question legally. All we know is what the ever trustworthy media has decided to tell us. So forget that line of BS with me.

Receipts mean nothing if guile is intended.

[TreeBeard]

51 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Did the FBI plant any "nuclear secrets"

Conspiracies….   A staple of Trump and supporters?  

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

Conspiracies….   A staple of Trump and supporters?  

 

You can't say if they did or did not. All you can do is throw mud like someone who gathers night-soil. That your sort think there's even a place at the WEF table for them is the height of Brave New World thinking.

Trump enough for you?

[Aristides]

48 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

I doubt ANYBODY here can attest to who actually owns the property in question legally. All we know is what the ever trustworthy media has decided to tell us. So forget that line of BS with me.

Receipts mean nothing if guile is intended.

Bet they can, and will.

[Infidel Dog]

Nuclear secrets...Pshaw...

From the Babylon Bee:

'The FBI Raid On Melania's Closet Was Justified,' Says Merrick Garland Wearing Gorgeous New Evening Gown And Sun Hat

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WASHINGTON, D.C. — With many Americans up in arms over the unprecedented raid of former President Trump's residence in Mar-a-Lago by the FBI, Attorney General Garland released a statement to assure everyone the raid was completely justified. Eyewitnesses noted he looked unusually fetching in an elegant Dolce & Gabbana evening gown and a Dior sun hat.

"We wouldn't raid Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate or Melania's wardrobe unless it was absolutely, 100% necessary," said Garland. "I resent any accusation that this raid was influenced by partisan politics or my insatiable desire to wear pretty designer dresses." The Attorney General then did a little spin in his purple gown as the press gasped with delight.

 

FBI Director Christopher Wray echoed the statement as he strode up to the Hoover Building in a dazzling pair of diamond-encrusted Alexander McQueen stilettos. "The men and women of the FBI are paragons of unassailable integrity and impartiality, and any suggestion otherwise is murderous treason," he said. Several news outlets present also noted the delicious smell of Chanel No.5 in the air.

At publishing time, Trump took to Truth Social to announce that all his golf clubs were also missing.

Edited August 12, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[TreeBeard]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/garland-trump-residence-search-warrant-1.6549780
 

The seized records include some that were marked classified as top secret and also "sensitive compartmented information," a special category meant to protect the nation's most important secrets that if revealed publicly could cause "exceptionally grave" damage to U.S. interests. The court records did not provide specific details about the documents or what information they might contain.

 

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

You can't say if they did or did not. All you can do is throw mud like someone who gathers night-soil. That your sort think there's even a place at the WEF table for them is the height of Brave New World thinking.

Trump enough for you?

Trump’s attorney was present and signed the receipt of what was taken.   Oops?
 

from the article I posted above:

Trump's attorney, Christina Bobb, who was present at Mar-a-Lago when the agents conducted the search, signed both property receipts — one that was two pages long and another that is a single page.

 

[sharkman]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Conspiracies….   A staple of Trump and supporters?  

What?  Like the conspiracies that Trump was conspiring with Russian banks and Putin and unleashed J6?  What are you smoking?

[Infidel Dog]

OK so there's the CBC's story, then there's the story from Trump Deputy Director of National Intelligence:

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“Yeah, so the normal process, and I was the deputy, you know, there’s multiple occasions, but I think I was serving as Deputy Director of National Intelligence,” Patel replied. “If we needed to declassify through the normal chain of command for lower level employees, we’d have to go through a rigorous process to do that procedurally. But the president of the United States, is and has always been, the ultimate unilateral classification authority to classify and declassify. If he says something is declassified, that’s it. Then it’s declassified.”

“He issued a strong statement in October of 2020 to classify all Russiagate and all Hillary Clinton documents. And that’s up on, you know, publicly available,” he added. “And then at the end of his administration, in December and January, he felt so much more information needed to be classified. He declassified whole sets of documents that should have come out. Now, the GSA has since come out, the Government Services Administration, said they mistakenly packed some boxes and moved them to Mar Lago.”

“That’s not on the president, that’s on the National Archives to sort that material out.,” he added. “They cannot prosecute him for intentionally, even if it was classified, which it’s highly unlikely that the issue, these sweeping orders,  like we went through with the Hillary Clinton saga, they’ll never, they’ll never meet the burden of intent ,because president didn’t pack it up and take it himself. ”

“The GSA has said they did it and they made a mistake,” he added. “And that should have been really the end of it. It should have been a cordial subpoena, where at most where they said, ‘okay, we just need this and we’ll get the rest back to you.’ I mean, President Obama and President Clinton still have classified materials in their possession in their home, but they have not released to this day per the National Archive.”

“So are you saying that these particular documents that were at Margo were all declassified in that December, January period of what year?” MacCallum asked.

 

“The end of 2020 and early 2021, before the president left, whole sets of documents were, I don’t know what, was shipped down there because I wasn’t the GSA people moving those documents, only they do,” he said. “They packed them. They admitted that they packed them, which is their job and transported them there and stored them somewhere.”

https://beckernews.com/trump-adviser-breaks-the-bad-news-to-the-fbi-the-classified-docs-in-their-possession-were-already-declassified-46334/

But OK let's say only the CBC knows what really happened and there are nuclear secrets in those boxes that Trump supposedly put there.

He's had this stuff for almost 2 years? It takes Merrick Garland and the CBC that long to sniff this out, does it?

And apparently they had the warrant for 3 days before they served it. Is that the sort of urgency you expect from the FBI when it's retrieving nuclear secrets.

And why did the FBI think they were going to find nuclear secrets in Melania's underwear drawer?

[Aristides]

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Trump kept possession of the documents despite multiple requests from agencies, including the National Archives, to turn over presidential records in accordance with federal law.

 

[ironstone]

22 hours ago, Aristides said:

What would Trump have done if he was president when Putin attacked Ukraine, go to war with Russia? Dream on.

Trump manufactures all kinds of his merchandise in China. In 2018 Ivanka was awarded 16 new trademarks by China, including voting machines.

 

https://www.thetelegraph.com/insider/article/Trump-merchandise-keeps-coming-out-of-China-16209910.php

I won't deny that Republicans have ties to China just like the Democrats. Russia too. To my knowledge there wasn't anything remotely comparable to Hunter Biden and his ties to the dictatorships. We all know why Hunter get's paid huge sums of money only for  making introductions to his senile dad.

And you are aware no doubt that Putin DID NOT attack Ukraine while Trump was President. He was capable of doing so, but he chose not to do it then.

You can't possibly brag about Biden's foreign policy record to date. The Taliban have total control of Afghanistan and are better armed than at any time in their history. Russia and Ukraine are in a very costly war. China is threatening Taiwan more than ever.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

 

1. He's had this stuff for almost 2 years? It takes Merrick Garland and the CBC that long to sniff this out, does it?

2. And apparently they had the warrant for 3 days before they served it. Is that the sort of urgency you expect from the FBI when it's retrieving nuclear secrets.

We didn't know anything about this yet.

1. It's possible that some new information came to light about the location of said documents.

2. No way to tell if this is unusually long or not.

[I am Groot]

On 8/8/2022 at 8:20 PM, West said:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-mar-a-lago-home-florida-siege-fbi-agents

Sad that we live next to a disgraceful nation

Russia?

[I am Groot]

On 8/8/2022 at 8:46 PM, Nationalist said:

This is sickening. 

The f'in' democrats and friends are just gross tools against democracy. 

They're pull out all stops to find any reason to keep Trump from running again.

That seems a worthy objective.

[I am Groot]

On 8/8/2022 at 8:54 PM, West said:

The bidens have been crooked for years.. now they are abusing the justice system. Very disturbing.. mafia/kgb style

Assumption made without evidence.

[I am Groot]

On 8/8/2022 at 8:58 PM, sharkman said:

Look, Trump has been waiting for this ever since his lawyer Giuliani was raided.  And Giuliani was completely ready for the raid.  They didn’t find squat, because there was nothing to find.  Did he get raided twice?

Trump was probably laughing at their ineptitude of taking so long to get to him.  In fact he’s probably planted some stuff in there to mock them to their faces.

 

You mean laughing at their holding a former president in respect, asking for the material, talking to him and his people repeatedly, hoping they would do the right thing?

[I am Groot]

On 8/9/2022 at 3:17 AM, Infidel Dog said:

And did you miss the part about how Trump as President could have thought of himself as the ultimate authority on what could be declassified?

Trump thought of himself as a god. But he was a false god to all who worshipped him. 

And still is.

[I am Groot]

On 8/9/2022 at 6:09 AM, Yzermandius19 said:

drain the swamp

abolish the FBI

This sounds very much like BLM who also want to abolish police. What is it about criminals wanting to abolish the organizations which seek to control criminals, anyway?

Oh. Right. Of course.