The NATO Thread

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Hilarious...

present your argument

if you even have one

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

present your argument

if you even have one

I already have. You chose to ignore it.

 

[Yzermandius19]

9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I already have. You chose to ignore it.

you posted a CNN article

if you can't use your own words to put forward an argument

then you don't have one

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

you posted a CNN article

if you can't use your own words to put forward an argument

then you don't have one

Dude...ur-a losin' it.

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Dude...ur-a losin' it.

a link is not an argument

make an argument

[Nationalist]

37 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

a link is not an argument

make an argument

The population of China is ~1.5 Billion.

The population of Taiwan is ~23.5 Million.

Get a grip on yourself.

[Yzermandius19]

18 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

The population of China is ~1.5 Billion.

The population of Taiwan is ~23.5 Million.

Get a grip on yourself.

I've addressed the population argument

Taiwan doesn't have to invade China

China has to invade Taiwan

nothing China would get from taking Taiwan

would be worth the price they have to pay to take it

Taiwan has been preparing for this invasion for decades

there are only like three small beaches the Chinese could land troops on

Taiwan knows exactly where they are going to land

the island is a natural fortress

China would be running into a buzzsaw

it would take the largest amphibious assault in world history, bigger than D-Day, to pull it off

the Chinese Navy has no experience doing anything remotely close to as difficult as this

not to mention China is a lot more vulnerable to sanctions than Russians are

and are a lot easier to blockade

China invading Taiwan would be one of the greatest blunders in history

Edited August 11, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Nationalist]

19 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

I've addressed the population argument

Taiwan doesn't have to invade China

China has to invade Taiwan

nothing China would get from taking Taiwan

would be worth the price they have to pay to take it

Taiwan has been preparing for this invasion for decades

there are only like three small beaches the Chinese could land troops on

Taiwan knows exactly where they are going to land

the island is a natural fortress

China would be running into a buzzsaw

it would take the largest amphibious assault in world history, bigger than D-Day, to pull it off

the Chinese Navy has no experience doing anything remotely close to as difficult as this

not to mention China is a lot more vulnerable to sanctions than Russians are

and are a lot easier to blockade

China invading Taiwan would be one of the greatest blunders in history

Technicolor...

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Technicolor...

in other words

you have no rebuttal whatsoever

so your cognitive dissonance kicks in to protect your self image

even if you were theoretically right

which you're not

your argument is still vastly inferior to mine

your opinion doesn’t stand up to scrutiny

and you don't dare to scrutinize my opinion in any depth 

out of fear of exposing just how deeply ignorant you are

you got your ass kicked

Edited August 11, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

in other words

you have no rebuttal whatsoever

so your cognitive dissonance kicks in to protect your self image

even if you were theoretically right

which you're not

your argument is still vastly inferior to mine

your opinion doesn’t stand up to scrutiny

and you don't dare to scrutinize my opinion in any depth 

out of fear of exposing just how deeply ignorant you are

you got your ass kicked

You're trying to argue that Taiwan would have a snowball's chance of fending off an attack from China.

Its Technicolor.

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, Nationalist said:

You're trying to argue that Taiwan would have a snowball's chance of fending off an attack from China.

Its Technicolor.

saying it's Technicolor is not a rebuttal

you can't even say why it's Technicolor

that's how shitty your argument is

if my argument is so bad

then it should be easy to rebut

yet you can't do it

sad

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

saying it's Technicolor is not a rebuttal

you can't even say why it's Technicolor

that's how shitty your argument is

if my argument is so bad

then it should be easy to rebut

yet you can't do it

sad

No...What's sad is that you figure Taiwan can defeat China. They can't.

This is as asinine as the idea that Ukraine could defeat Russia.

I harbour no love for either China...especially China...nor Russia.

But I will not try to inhabit LaLaLand in order to satisfy my personal feelings.

Reality is a bitch but...it is what it is.

[Yzermandius19]

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

No...What's sad is that you figure Taiwan can defeat China. They can't.

why?

don't say because they can't

that's circular reasoning

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

why?

don't say because they can't

that's circular reasoning

Again...

The population of China is ~1.5 Billion. Army size of ~2,800,000

The population of Taiwan is ~23.5 Million. Army size of ~220,000

Get a grip on yourself.

[Army Guy]

12 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

Russia is a lot of things these days. Communist isn't one of them. Like you, I'd also prefer to blindly back the US being the wearers of the white cowboy hats...but germ labs??? WTF? And why the hell are they in Ukraine to begin with? Is Russia in Mexico? I don't trust any of these f**kers and neither should you. Didn't Oliver North teach us that?

 

Would you prefer dictatorship then, point is Russia is not going to change its spots any time soon, and I can't see them joining NATO anytime soon? Russia and China are both wearing black hats 

Not sure why Germ labs have got everyone's panties in a bunch, most countries have them, including Canada which tests chemical and germ warfare agents and counter agents. Shit the US has huge facilities that do just that. So the question is why not in Ukraine... because it is right next door to Russia? The same Russia that used to be a leading nation in chemical and germ warfare.

I assume you're suggesting that if Russia was to park itself in Mexico, the US would have the right to dictate to Mexico what it could do or don't do, or better yet take that next step and use force to take out Mexico for not listening...

Kind of like my neighbor telling me I can not use my driveway to park my sister's car in,  and if I did he would use force to ensure I did not.

Last time I checked International law and other conventions give each recognized state the right to sovereignty to be able to run their nations as they see fit... Russia or the US has no right in telling another nation what you can do inside another state. And they certainly can not use force to or the threat of force to ensure they comply.

No one said you had to trust anyone, that being said if I had to choose which side or choose government types, I'm sticking with ours.

 

 

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

Would you prefer dictatorship then, point is Russia is not going to change its spots any time soon, and I can't see them joining NATO anytime soon? Russia and China are both wearing black hats 

Not sure why Germ labs have got everyone's panties in a bunch, most countries have them, including Canada which tests chemical and germ warfare agents and counter agents. Shit the US has huge facilities that do just that. So the question is why not in Ukraine... because it is right next door to Russia? The same Russia that used to be a leading nation in chemical and germ warfare.

I assume you're suggesting that if Russia was to park itself in Mexico, the US would have the right to dictate to Mexico what it could do or don't do, or better yet take that next step and use force to take out Mexico for not listening...

Kind of like my neighbor telling me I can not use my driveway to park my sister's car in,  and if I did he would use force to ensure I did not.

Last time I checked International law and other conventions give each recognized state the right to sovereignty to be able to run their nations as they see fit... Russia or the US has no right in telling another nation what you can do inside another state. And they certainly can not use force to or the threat of force to ensure they comply.

No one said you had to trust anyone, that being said if I had to choose which side or choose government types, I'm sticking with ours.

 

 

 

Bombs away. Kill those Russians dead. Buncha orcs.

[Contrarian]

I was reading Xi's statement at one point he said something like "Is the will of 1 billion of chinesse people that Taiwan is China". 

Can you imagine you live in such a system?. This guy knows what you are thinking and yet we have here people in the West criticizing our alliance like is the Red Army. NATO has flaws of course it does, but if you honestly think the future is with Xi-Putin way of thinking not sure what to tell you.

I hope you never live in such a system, you are like an open prison. The KGB can be your family, teacher. I laugh when i hear people here complaining about state control. hahaha. You have no idea of the alternatives. 

Can anyone name a place where the Russians went in their history and did something positive?. Former Eastern European countries are in progress because Ivan the KGB man is not there anymore. They rather Joe from the CIA any day. He has flaws too but is a better from what I am hearing.

Edited August 11, 2022 by Contrarian

[DogOnPorch]

I might remind the group that in 1969, Nixon got America out of the biological weapon game. Who got them back in? Which MthrFker was it?

[500channelsurfer]

This is the NATO thread. What do you think about Turkey's membership?

Turkey is a Muslim county that has tied itself to Western economy and this military alliance, and does it really fit in?

During the Cold War oh the games that were played with missles here and missles there so the USA and Soviet Union could threaten each other, and of course Turkey fit nicely into the Americans' hands as a strategic point to plop down missles and military bases. 

I can see Turkey easily again becoming the 'sick man in Europe.'

[Yzermandius19]

27 minutes ago, 500channelsurfer said:

This is the NATO thread. What do you think about Turkey's membership?

Turkey is a Muslim county that has tied itself to Western economy and this military alliance, and does it really fit in?

During the Cold War oh the games that were played with missles here and missles there so the USA and Soviet Union could threaten each other, and of course Turkey fit nicely into the Americans' hands as a strategic point to plop down missles and military bases. 

I can see Turkey easily again becoming the 'sick man in Europe.'

Turkey is strategically important to NATO

since having them in the alliance can contain Russia and deny them access to the Mediterranean

via the Bosphrous

Edited August 12, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Contrarian]

3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Turkey is strategically important to NATO

since having them in the alliance can contain Russia and deny them access to the Mediterranean

via the Bosphrous

Yes, and if we are to talk about membership, how about we start with Hungary. If we are in an alliance and we measure loyalty, at this point Erdogan looks ahead of Hungary.

Edited August 12, 2022 by Contrarian

[Army Guy]

15 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

I might remind the group that in 1969, Nixon got America out of the biological weapon game. Who got them back in? Which MthrFker was it?

According to your sources, they have built bio labs in Ukraine, nobody even said they got out of the game, besides there are tons of bio labs in the US that experiment with bios every day, and the US military has bio labs that study a long list of bio diseases to keep current on cures. 

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

According to your sources, they have built bio labs in Ukraine, nobody even said they got out of the game, besides there are tons of bio labs in the US that experiment with bios every day, and the US military has bio labs that study a long list of bio diseases to keep current on cures. 

 

Nixon Renounces Biological Warfare

https://osupublicationarchives.osu.edu/?a=d&d=LTN19691126-01.2.5&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN-------

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statement_on_Chemical_and_Biological_Defense_Policies_and_Programs

[DogOnPorch]

So which MthrFker was it?

My money is on Bush Jr...but also enabled by all those following him if he's the guilty party.

[TreeBeard]

34 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

So which MthrFker was it?

My money is on Bush Jr...but also enabled by all those following him if he's the guilty party.

You believe what Nixon said?  That might be funnier than you believing everything that comes out of Russia.