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If I'm not mistaken...I think he's trying to steer this toward accusing NATO of trying to start a war with Russia.

And if that's the case, then I would assume Putin is in cahoots with NATO on this.

After all...war is a great way to recover financially from unforeseen disasters like...oh say...a global pandemic?

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The thread is for NATO news. 

I am actually pro-NATO.

The "expert" above has it wrong again. 

My relatives that are still there welcomed NATO troops like they welcomed God after what Stalin and the soviets did to us in Eastern Europe.

So far, so good, public opinion is pro Nato.

I thought people with your ideology are closer to Putin. Are you doing reverse pshycology?

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Well, the first video, despite being clearly NATO propaganda, certainly makes a good argument for the continuation of NATO. NATO clearly defends democracy against dictatorship and terrorism, in theory and in practice, despite all of NATO and its members' shortcomings.
The second video's Neptune exercise was certainly useless in deterring Putin from invading Ukraine and utilizing Russian Navy to assist; the third video shows NATO member fighters ready to defend NATO countries but perhaps also potentially provoke Russia in the same way Russian fighters fly very close to NATO airspace.

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1 hour ago, 500channelsurfer said:

Well, the first video, despite being clearly NATO propaganda, certainly makes a good argument for the continuation of NATO. NATO clearly defends democracy against dictatorship and terrorism, in theory and in practice, despite all of NATO and its members' shortcomings.

Yes there is always going to be someone in power. Is a reality. NATO is a well built structure. 

I know what the russian collective mind is capable of.

From the Tsar Nikolai II, then Stalin and now Putin. They left nothing positive wherever they went.

For the Trump voters, as of why the US needs NATO:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/06/28/us-nato-alliance-madrid/

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/here-s-why-the-united-states-needs-nato/

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1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

How so?

 

It was created to thwart the USSR. Not get involved in Eastern European civil wars. Now it plays games with germ labs and proxy wars on the borders of Russia. Finland and Sweden in NATO?? Nazis in Ukraine? Well let's just call it what it is. The Fourth Reich.

Your opinion may vary.

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NATO’s Air Shielding mission is an increased air and missile defence posture along the Alliance’s eastern flank, implemented in the wake of Russia’s brutal invasion of Ukraine. Allies have deployed more fighter jets and ground-based air and missile defence systems to protect Allies along the eastern flank against possible air and missile threats. This is purely defensive, and a key component of NATO's enhanced deterrence and defence posture. NATO’s Air Shielding involves deployments ranging from a few weeks to several months at air bases and key locations in the eastern part of the Alliance. 

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3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You're not going to get any comments based on conventional knowledge here, I am just warning you.

Proceed if you are looking for entertainment, though.

 

You can play the game of Ukrainian innocence if you must. Where's your flag?

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On 8/9/2022 at 5:56 PM, DogOnPorch said:

 

It was created to thwart the USSR. Not get involved in Eastern European civil wars. Now it plays games with germ labs and proxy wars on the borders of Russia. Finland and Sweden in NATO?? Nazis in Ukraine? Well let's just call it what it is. The Fourth Reich.

Your opinion may vary.

Sure does.

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On 8/9/2022 at 8:13 PM, Contrarian said:

The thread is for NATO news. 

I am actually pro-NATO.

The "expert" above has it wrong again. 

My relatives that are still there welcomed NATO troops like they welcomed God after what Stalin and the soviets did to us in Eastern Europe.

So far, so good, public opinion is pro Nato.

I thought people with your ideology are closer to Putin. Are you doing reverse pshycology?

I'm surprised because most Canadians are either anti-military or don't care about defense alliances that Canada has signed on to. You are one of the few. 

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On 8/9/2022 at 7:13 PM, Contrarian said:

The thread is for NATO news. 

I am actually pro-NATO.

The "expert" above has it wrong again. 

My relatives that are still there welcomed NATO troops like they welcomed God after what Stalin and the soviets did to us in Eastern Europe.

So far, so good, public opinion is pro Nato.

I thought people with your ideology are closer to Putin. Are you doing reverse pshycology?

Hmm...

NATO is a toothless old hag now.

You should find a more stable hook to hang your hat on.

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On 8/9/2022 at 7:25 PM, 500channelsurfer said:

Well, the first video, despite being clearly NATO propaganda, certainly makes a good argument for the continuation of NATO. NATO clearly defends democracy against dictatorship and terrorism, in theory and in practice, despite all of NATO and its members' shortcomings.
The second video's Neptune exercise was certainly useless in deterring Putin from invading Ukraine and utilizing Russian Navy to assist; the third video shows NATO member fighters ready to defend NATO countries but perhaps also potentially provoke Russia in the same way Russian fighters fly very close to NATO airspace.

Exactly. It's a game and they're all playing now.

Gee...gives one a real sense of security...eh?

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On 8/9/2022 at 8:32 PM, Contrarian said:

Yes there is always going to be someone in power. Is a reality. NATO is a well built structure. 

I know what the russian collective mind is capable of.

From the Tsar Nikolai II, then Stalin and now Putin. They left nothing positive wherever they went.

For the Trump voters, as of why the US needs NATO:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/06/28/us-nato-alliance-madrid/

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/here-s-why-the-united-states-needs-nato/

The US does not need NATO, it is for the most part NATO, along with Norad, 5 EYES, other defensive pacts it has signed on to, such as Japan, Korea, and Taiwan. Can you imagine the total breakdown of peace if the US pulled out of all of them?

And as for Canada, it does not take any of our pacts very seriously, in fact after Justin signed the agreement to spend 2 % of GDP on the military a few days later he went on the media and told the world he had no intention of doing that. Canada has not lived up to any of its international defensive commitments, since WWII.   

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When the powers in charge refused Russia entry into NATO while gleefully pulling-in various former Warsaw Pact countries, I knew NATO had a new mission...and it was pretty aggressive rather than being defensive. Russia still in the cross-hairs, eh? Okay...fine. Putin is an SOB. But, apparently so are we.

 

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2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

When the powers in charge refused Russia entry into NATO while gleefully pulling-in various former Warsaw pact countries, I knew NATO had a new mission...and it was pretty aggressive rather than being defensive. Russia still in the cross-hairs, eh? Okay...fine. Putin is an SOB.

But, apparently so are we.

 

I did not know allowing Russia into NATO was even a thing, I'm just trying to picture how the west would work when one of its allies is a communist state, with its own political agenda. And how would that affect the balance of power around the world? 

Most of NATO has cashed in pretty heavily on the peace bonds and has decreased its strength significantly, increasing the number of NATO countries is actually thinning out NATO to the point it can't really mount much of a defense, Russia will always be one of the bad guys, they got the other half of the nukes...along with their own political agenda for expansion. 

 No NATO is not perfect either, but if I had to pick sides... I'd pick whatever side the US was on.

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1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

When the powers in charge refused Russia entry into NATO while gleefully pulling-in various former Warsaw Pact countries, I knew NATO had a new mission...and it was pretty aggressive rather than being defensive. Russia still in the cross-hairs, eh? Okay...fine. Putin is an SOB. But, apparently so are we.

 

that was never going to happen

Russia didn't want to be in NATO

that was a pipe dream

Russia is not entitled to the Warsaw pact countries

they viewed Russia as threat

hence why they joined NATO

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4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I did not know allowing Russia into NATO was even a thing, I'm just trying to picture how the west would work when one of its allies is a communist state, with its own political agenda. And how would that affect the balance of power around the world? 

Most of NATO has cashed in pretty heavily on the peace bonds and has decreased its strength significantly, increasing the number of NATO countries is actually thinning out NATO to the point it can't really mount much of a defense, Russia will always be one of the bad guys, they got the other half of the nukes...along with their own political agenda for expansion. 

 No NATO is not perfect either, but if I had to pick sides... I'd pick whatever side the US was on.

Russia is a lot of things these days. Communist isn't one of them. Like you, I'd also prefer to blindly back the US being the wearers of the white cowboy hats...but germ labs??? WTF? And why the hell are they in Ukraine to begin with? Is Russia in Mexico? I don't trust any of these f**kers and neither should you. Didn't Oliver North teach us that?

 

3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

that was never going to happen

 

 

Apparently not. And that is telling...pipe dream. Bah. The world wanted peace. The folks that make money off of death and killing...not so much. Both sides of the so-called fence...

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55 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

And that is telling...pipe dream. Bah. The world wanted peace. The folks that make money off of death and killing...not so much. Both sides of the so-called fence...

wishful thinking doesn't change the fact that they have a large nuclear arsenal

as long as they remain a geopolitical threat to America and America remains a geopolitical threat to them

they aren't going to become best friends

it's just not in the cards

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