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On 7/29/2022 at 9:16 PM, myata said:

Is it? Do you see it around? Does it respond to you? Can you get from it any answers? Why SNC jobs over independent justice? Why fixing for a generation forever? Why five shutdowns when some managed without one? Does it even notice you, not counting the ritual times? I mean real democracy in the reality, not just on paper. Putin can have that too.

Whatever is in your mind is not leaking out into your posts. LOL   SNC?

Fixing for a generation?

5 shutdowns where? And each jurisdiction controlled it differently based on the spread and situation in that area.

Ritual times??

Democracy = a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

 

 

 

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On 7/29/2022 at 7:35 PM, dialamah said:

Yeah, you are.  You said:  Many died for various reasons and having The Rona didn't help matters.  When people who have the flu die, you don't say they died for "various reasons, and having the flu didn't help matters"; you say they died of pneumonia.  Just like you don't say that liver disease killed the alcoholic driver and the car accident that decapitated them didn't help.

 

 

Again...we don't halt the world for a case of pneumonia. 

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On 7/29/2022 at 7:47 PM, dialamah said:

You must have missed the graph showing deaths from 2014 to 2022 and how deaths suddenly jumped in 2020 and 2021, and continue to be high at the beginning of 2022.

I see the numbers

 Do you?

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12 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I see the numbers

 Do you?

Nationalism and mathematics. Something about these 2 terms being in the same sentence bothers me. 

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On 7/30/2022 at 7:46 AM, ExFlyer said:

based on the spread and situation in that area.

OK, a simple question: how do you know what it's based on? Do you have information and meaningful (important!) explanation of policies? Can you ask questions and obtain meaningful, that's very important, answers? Or is it because you or someone just said so?

There are essentially to types of democracy, the one based on reality and the result; and the other, on pretty paper and words, often and then always, in place of results. Can you see the difference, between two? Are you surprised that one of them invariably, without almost eventually leads to stagnation, decay and trouble?

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23 minutes ago, myata said:

OK, a simple question: how do you know what it's based on? Do you have information and meaningful (important!) explanation of policies? Can you ask questions and obtain meaningful, that's very important, answers? Or is it because you or someone just said so?

There are essentially to types of democracy, the one based on reality and the result; and the other, on pretty paper and words, often and then always, in place of results. Can you see the difference, between two? Are you surprised that one of them invariably, without almost eventually leads to stagnation, decay and trouble?

"And each jurisdiction controlled it differently based on the spread and situation in that area. "

To make comparisons you need to look at each area/district.jurisdiction/country etc and base it on that.

As well as the policy of all those places.

All were different.  You cannot generalize.

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14 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Nationalism and mathematics. Something about these 2 terms being in the same sentence bothers me. 

Well...you can always find a nice safe space, I'm quite sure. 

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48 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Well...you can always find a nice safe space, I'm quite sure. 

What is nationalism? if not a safe space for people that think the same. I would go even further and say that nationalism is a safe space for people that are of the thinking that the so called "strong" should rule only. Trumpianian, Orbanistic, Putinistic way of thinking. 

Like communism, the nationalistic system was tried and failed everywhere in the long run. Not interested in short term results. 

 

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2 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Like communism, the nationalistic system was tried and failed everywhere in the long run.

Care to elaborate where it was tried and failed and why?

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45 minutes ago, cougar said:

Care to elaborate where it was tried and failed and why?

No but maybe they failed because of those evil one world one government folks a Trump supporter would say. Do you think George Soros has an army of trolls and from Switzerland he is the reason why all the good nationalists can not see their dreams come true?

In my view the mind of a nationalist is similar to a marxist mind. They both tend to search for that utopia perfect place and when they realize that practice is different than theory they end up blaming the exterior for their own failures. 

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1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

In my view the mind of a nationalist is similar to a marxist mind.

If there is no nationalism, why then do we need to have separate countries - borders, languages, etc.

Do you think we need this just so we can exploit the poor nations and be able to hide the money in other nations serving as tax free havens ?

There is no real reason for nationalism in a country to fail, except when it is sabotaged from the outside, or when there are traitors, instead of nationalists in key roles in the governmemnt.

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17 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

You cannot generalize.

But maybe you can compare? Or no, because someone says so? So that every bsh!t and crap has to be accepted because all are different and it just had to be so (as said by us).

A municipal retaining wall project done in weeks soon going on an anniversary. LRT system built in two decades is in a third shutdown in two years. Phoenix system. Rogers upgrade. Healthcare in a permanent rescue mode. General decline of quality and service. Are you not afraid that at some point the country would just grind to a standstill, at least the public part of it? The happy bunch would spend all on itself plus the reports. And why wouldn't it? Why wouldn't they?

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9 hours ago, Contrarian said:

No but maybe they failed because of those evil one world one government folks a Trump supporter would say. Do you think George Soros has an army of trolls and from Switzerland he is the reason why all the good nationalists can not see their dreams come true?

In my view the mind of a nationalist is similar to a marxist mind. They both tend to search for that utopia perfect place and when they realize that practice is different than theory they end up blaming the exterior for their own failures. 

Interesting.

So you can't name an example of a failed nationalist government. Why am I not shocked? 

But I sense a tad of TDS in your posts. Is that your thing? A "never Trumper" blowing off steam?

Soros stays in Switzerland because he knows he'd likely get his wrinkled, NAZI loving ass capped if he left.

As for utopia...it doesn't exist in this world. I see the globalist Libbies scrambling now to try to save their dreams, but its doomed and they know it I suspect. 

A "nationalist" is simply a person who believes the government of any nation should always act in the best interests of that nation. Not for some percieved "greater good" and certainly not because "AHHH...WE ALL GONNA DIE!"

Nationalists don't generally deal in fear-porn. We deal with reality and truth. I'd invite you to give it a try but, I don't think you have the individuality nor the principles to be a real nationalist. 

Oh well. Have a warm and fuzzy day anyway...

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6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I'd invite you to give it a try but, I don't think you have the individuality nor the principles to be a real nationalist. 

If I am law abiding and respect the land and its people that I am in I don't need to put a label on myself. 

I rather what an old Roman emperor said: “The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the passionate.” 

He used a different word than "passionate", being new to the forum I rather not use it might come across as an insult.:D

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36 minutes ago, myata said:

But maybe you can compare? Or no, because someone says so? So that every bsh!t and crap has to be accepted because all are different and it just had to be so (as said by us).

A municipal retaining wall project done in weeks soon going on an anniversary. LRT system built in two decades is in a third shutdown in two years. Phoenix system. Rogers upgrade. Healthcare in a permanent rescue mode. General decline of quality and service. Are you not afraid that at some point the country would just grind to a standstill, at least the public part of it? The happy bunch would spend all on itself plus the reports. And why wouldn't it? Why wouldn't they?

Yes, for sure you can compare but you need to make sure you are comparing equal or very similar situations.

You cannot compare Canada and it's geographical size and diversity and population with Sweden or New Zealand (just as an example).

Retaining walls, LRT, Salary software has nothing to do or even related to a world wide pandemic involving billions of people.

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12 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

If I am law abiding and respect the land and its people that I am in I don't need to put a label on myself. 

I rather what an old Roman emperor said: “The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the passionate.” 

He used a different word than "passionate", being new to the forum I rather not use it might come across as an insult.:D

The quote is...

"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane" ~ Marcus Aurelius."

Do you find it insane to think one's government should act in the best interests of the people of the nation who elected him/her and their nation?

Lad, everything gets labelled. That way we can use language to discuss. Had that not occurred to you?

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42 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

should act in the best interests of the people of the nation who elected him/her and their nation

This is a matter of perspective. The opposition always says this when they don't have power, then they get power, who knows maybe nationalism will come here one day, then you will get the power, after a few years when your system will collapse you will blame "traitors, communists, disloyalty", the usual. 

It is the same grievances that I hear from old communists from back home. "Americans, capitalists, greed"

As for the examples to where nationalism did not work, you can't be serious. How about we go reverse, since you are the one advocating for such a system. Please list the countries in which nationalism worked long term and produced results.

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1 minute ago, Contrarian said:

This is a matter of perspective. The opposition always says this when they don't have power, then they get power, who knows maybe nationalism will come here one day, then you will get the power, after a few years when your system will collapse you will blame "traitors, communists, disloyalty", the usual. 

It is the same grievances that I hear from old communists from back home. "Americans, capitalists, greed"

As for the examples to where nationalism did not work, you can't be serious. How about we go reverse, since you are the one advocating for such a system. Please list the countries in which nationalism worked long term and produced results.

Before we go on...I should inform you that I have a Soviet defector for a wife and we have a house in Bohemia. On top of that, I worked for the Canadian Embassy in Prague for many years. I know, all too well, what old Communists think. I also know, all too well, why the Soviet world collapsed. One simple word explains it all..."Greed".

As for your attempt to deflect from the question you've been asked...several times now without an answer...I'm not surprised you can't/won't answer. My advise to you, as Globalism fails miserably...

Wait for the sun to go down...wonder outside...and scream at the moon.

I understand it soothes the Libbie soul...somehow...

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1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

You cannot compare Canada and it's geographical size and diversity and population with Sweden or New Zealand (just as an example).

Yes you can compare Quebec and Ontario.

 

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Retaining walls, LRT, Salary software has nothing to do or even related to a world wide pandemic involving billions of people.

Transparency, openness, free competition based on merit not access to entrenched bureacracy and accountability have everything to do with the quality of decisions. And the results, obviously.

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21 hours ago, myata said:

Yes you can compare Quebec and Ontario.

 

Transparency, openness, free competition based on merit not access to entrenched bureacracy and accountability have everything to do with the quality of decisions. And the results, obviously.

OK, and what is your comparison and to what and when?

 

Holy shit man, you really do deflect a lot when you have nothing to say of any value LOL

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4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

OK, and what is your comparison and to what and when?

This day and age, just open the eyes. A democracy that runs for itself and feeds itself is not a rule by far, rather an obscure exception. And it won't last too, these types of structures just can't.. stop feeding themselves.

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8 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I also know, all too well, why the Soviet world collapsed. One simple word explains it all..."Greed".

Oh I see so old Karl Marx in between his drinking episodes wrote an actual good theory you think? Is us people that screwed up right? I told you, you nationalists are closer to your communists brethern that you would like to think so. Same mind to follow for a "greater good" and everyone that does not sing your tune is an enemy of the state? and when everything fails is the other side's fault. Where I am going wrong?

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Right off the waves:

Experts conference: Canada will not deliver on 2030 emission targets. Healthcare in another bout of permanent crisis. Need to bring more foreign trained blah no, no just can't train them here because that's how things have been since the times of Noah. OK great. So where will you bring foreign trained from? From Norway, Denmark - or Ethiopia?

How much sense does this make? When was the last time it made any sense? It's not when - only how bad will it be next time. A century long mindless ride will end some time and somewhere.

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1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

Oh I see so old Karl Marx in between his drinking episodes wrote an actual good theory you think? Is us people that screwed up right? I told you, you nationalists are closer to your communists brethern that you would like to think so. Same mind to follow for a "greater good" and everyone that does not sing your tune is an enemy of the state? and when everything fails is the other side's fault. Where I am going wrong?

Almost everywhere. Marx's manifesto was a response to the capitalism taking hold in Europe. More a philosophical argument. Some of the theory is in use today by Libbies. 

State dependence.

Dictation of acceptable ideas.

Mass media compliance. 

Increasingly aggressive controls. 

Engineering endless states of fear.

I told you, I've known a lot of old communists. When the Soviet union fell, most became capitalists quick to maintain their social and economic status. It was like watching a feeding frenzy.

People who do not sing my tune are many. So what? People who demand and enact aggressively destructive social and governmental policies...are obviously undesirable.

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