Army Guy Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 The problem has never been with Brave Canadian soldiers doing their part, it has always been about Canadian citizens having their backs and their support, and that is never going to happen... these are not the same Canadians that once were, today they are interested in social programs and what can my country do for me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 point being tho, the two don't go hand in hand per se for examples you can be Communist & Globalist, like the Chinese or you could be Globalist but not Communist, like Singapore or you could be Communist but not Globalist, like North Korea so they are not the same thing, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 26 minutes ago, myata said: Not servicing Russian turbines could result in a terrible fate of Canadian jobs sorry children, got it! Just do as Russia says while strongly condemning and calling for, that worked so well with Hitler! Didn't Justine just say the same thing though a funny coincidence. No just funny like in shamefully and unapologetically ridiculous. Where shall we go from here - no, don't even want to guess. myata...I understand your position on this while I must also acknowledge the irony of it all. Germany will freeze and not be able to power their nation, without those turbines driving the oil and gas to them. Our "ally" needs that fossil fuel. And why? Well that's simple. They went down that green garden path...and fucked up. In the mean time, the USA and Canada have reduced fossil fuel output. In short... They got what they paid for. Little kids being blown to bits in a war, is nasty stuff. Hell it even upsets me. But not enough for me to deny reality. And the reality of this whole situation right now...is fucking self-imposed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Army Guy said: The problem has never been with Brave Canadian soldiers doing their part, it has always been about Canadian citizens having their backs and their support, and that is never going to happen... these are not the same Canadians that once were, today they are interested in social programs and what can my country do for me... we are not citizen soldiers all that matters is that we have brothers in harms way behind the lines now and the Russians are seeking to kill/capture them no more politics then this is family in the breach Regiment, Corps, Commander-in-Chief Godspeed, Viam Invemiemus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 19 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: no, at its root Communism is a Post Scarcity Utopia Communism is the end state of the World Socialist Revolution a One World Government without any class divisions, perfectly egalitarian so it is a religion in fact, a secular Heaven on earth rather than in the next world to come Huh...and you figure those who will find themselves in positions of power, once this great utopia is achieved, will not carve out a "special" class for themselves? Communism is nothing more than a camouflaged term meaning "dictatorship". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: Huh...and you figure those who will find themselves in positions of power, once this great utopia is achieved, will not carve out a "special" class for themselves? Communism is nothing more than a camouflaged term meaning "dictatorship". no, Communism is an end state Communism is like saying "Heaven" the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is only a means of effecting the World Socialist Revolution once said revolution has been effected, and the Communist Heaven has been achieved in theory, there is no need for authoritarianism at all as once you are in Communist Heaven, it is so perfected, there would be no reason for you to dissent against it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: no, Communism is an end state Communism is like saying "Heaven" the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is only a means of effecting the World Socialist Revolution once said revolution has been effected, and the Communist Heaven has been achieved in theory, there is no need for authoritarianism at all as once you are in Communist Heaven, it is so perfected, there would be no reason for you to dissent against it "Communist Heaven" cannot exist in a human society...and you know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 Just now, Nationalist said: "Communist Heaven" cannot exist in a human society...and you know it. of course, thus why I am a British North American classically liberal monarchist Orangeman of Upper Canada all I am saying, is that to understand Communism, you have to recognize that it is an Utopian religion Socialism is supposedly the path to Communism but you don't actually get to Communism, until you have effected a perfectly egalitarian class free Utopia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 for example, even the most committed Soviet Communists never said that they had achieved Communism what they said is that there would be a World Socialist Revoltion and then they would wake up in this Communist Utopia in the wake of it, someday so when a government is Communist, that is aspirational they are Socialists, on the path to their perfectly egalitarian class free post scarcity Utopia, in the future it's like saying "Heavenism" you are not in Heaven now, you are simply on the path to a Communist Heaven promised someday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) bear in mind, that the National Socialists, the Nazis, also promised a secular Heavan the Nazis also promised a perfectly egalitarian class free post scarcity Utopia the only difference was, the Nazis said that their Heaven would only be for the "Germans" which is not actually a race, but simply a language group but whatever, the Nazis papered over that none the less, Nazism is simply racialized Communism, a Communist Utopia, but only for the Master Race this is why the Nazis were not actually Fascists they went way beyond Fascism all the way to Anti Communist Heaven this is why we could actually do business with Fascists, like Franco or Pinochet but there was no negotiating with the Nazis, because it was a fundamentalist religion Edited July 14, 2022 by Dougie93 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 34 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: of course, thus why I am a British North American classically liberal monarchist Orangeman of Upper Canada all I am saying, is that to understand Communism, you have to recognize that it is an Utopian religion Socialism is supposedly the path to Communism but you don't actually get to Communism, until you have effected a perfectly egalitarian class free Utopia I Am Canadian. I know a lot o' Brits over seas and...while we are great friends and have many things in common...we have very distinct differences. For instance...I can't stand fucking crab cakes...lol My allegiance is to my flag and the nation it represents. If "Queenie-Baby" gets in the way...my reaction would be to remove her influence. Which, IMO, should have happened right after WWI. But I think Canada was fairly dependant on Commonwealth commerce at the time and couldn't afford to cut that string. As for Communism...I agree with your assessment. Its a dream that the human condition makes impossible. Thus for the true thinkers...Communism is a tool. An empty promise. Unfortunately...there are so few independent thinkers among us humans. But that too has a good and bad side. Right now we see the bad side. It would sure be nice if these thinkers would accentuate the good for a while. We're killing people now with this bad side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 the Nazis also invented Environmentalism the NSDAP was the first ever Green Party they were a fusion of Nietzschean & Malthusian God is dead, and people are the problem so the Nazis would liquidate all the bad people so that the Master Race could frolic in a pristine Environmentalist Utopia this was all part of Nazi Heaven which is why Greta Thunberg is actually the epitome of the Nazi Youth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Nationalist said: I Am Canadian. I know a lot o' Brits over seas distinction without a difference Canada is the only Confederation of the British Empire the British Crown rules as the Crown of Canada now you can of course reject that but in doing so, you render yourself into an American by default not that there is anything wrong with that, perhaps you are an American at heart, and so be it as a Republican in the classical sense, I would invite you to join us therein the Party of Abraham Lincoln, the Abolitionists who freed the slaves the Party of Theodore Roosevelt, who freed the workers from the Guided Age in the beauty of the lllies, Christ was born across the sea and we are His chosen people New Jerusalem shining city on a hill Edited July 14, 2022 by Dougie93 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted July 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: Germany takes precedence over Ukraine in terms of Canada's security obligations Empty words just the same bullshit just as the Dear Leader's "difficult decision". What "security obligations"? Would not returning the turbine due to sanctions amount to an attack on Germany? OK that's one; what could be the "security obligations" for getting five more in the next two years? Almost every day children are killed by brutal Russian attacks; and they want to drag the exemptions to sanctions for 365 x 2 = 730 days! Here's another possibility: Germany, possibly with help from the good uncle shipped its stinky underwear to the developed world's sleepy backyard. OK, Justin will figure out how to wash it. Or some vague highly secret security obligations of course. Which one is more plausible? But it's getting scary too isn't it. Can anyone in this country still speak straight, meaning what they say? Or is it a thing long past too like the reality itself? No the Covid thing was no aberration no exception. Looks like the happy blind ride is coming to a natural conclusion. Nothing will be the same. Sure let's see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, myata said: Empty words just the same bullshit just as the Dear Leader's "difficult decision". What "security obligations"? Would not returning the turbine due to sanctions amount to an attack on Germany? OK that's one; what could be the "security obligations" for getting five more in the next two years? Almost every day children are killed by brutal Russian attacks; and they want to drag the exemptions to sanctions for 365 x 2 = 730 days! Here's another possibility: Germany, possibly with help from the good uncle shipped its stinky underwear to the developed world's sleepy backyard. OK, Justin will figure out how to wash it. Or some vague highly secret security obligations of course. Which one is more plausible? But it's getting scary too isn't it. Can anyone in this country still speak straight, meaning what they say? Or is it a thing long past too like the reality itself? No the Covid thing was no aberration no exception. Looks like the happy blind ride is coming to a natural conclusion. Nothing will be the same. Sure let's see it. there is negotiating with you so we are at an impasse Edited July 15, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted July 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Germany will freeze and not be able to power their nation, without those turbines driving the oil and gas to them. Our "ally" needs that fossil fuel. And why? Well that's simple. They went down that green garden path...and fucked up. In the mean time, the USA and Canada have reduced fossil fuel output. In short... OK here's a fine example. You read it and you eyes are wetting involuntarily drip-drip. Poor poor Germany children.. such a sad story surely someone will jump to the rescue anyone? please! can we let them freeze (and jobs too by the way; and dinners naturally). Until that is, the reality strikes (that's maybe and no, not guaranteed and not by far). Wait, isn't Germany like the greatest industrial nation or very near? Isn't it a German company? So where's the meaning here, does it make any meaning and sense to anyone who's still sane here? But then, do we still need it, reason and common sense? Aren't they the thing of the past before Covid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted July 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 For the sake of sanity, and credibility too going forward, because there will be a long way forward and the whole world is watching. Germany should have admitted an utter failure of the idea to recruit Russia into the normal, sane world by loading them with megatons of money for their resources. It should have made more exemptions to the ones already made and serviced the bloody things itself. That would have been a fair and responsible thing to do. Like taking responsibility for own mess. And credible too by the way. But we are past these notions as it seems and so begins another stupid pantomime. Who will help us in this affair? What could? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 minute ago, myata said: Who will help us in this affair? What could? "us" is the United Kingdom United States Security Agreement ( UKUSSA ) forged in the fires of the Second World War the Republic of the United States of America and our Commonwealth protectorates we are of course all locked in a frozen conflict with the Russians, at 15 minutes notice to launch on warning but Ukraine is not a signatory to our alliance so our commitment to defend Ukraine is entirely negotiable where it is in our interests, we might defend them where it draws us to the brink of a thermonuclear war with Russia we might abandon them just as we abandoned Hungary in 1956, or Czechoslovakia in 1968 realpolitik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted July 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 Great words but what would it have to do with a turbine that could and should have been serviced in Germany by Germany and for Germany? Where the need for a caricature solemn allied decision is coming from? Why is it necessary to play out the silly pantomime before the eyes of the entire world that may not be nice, but not likely that stupid to take it for real? And Canada is no UK as far as I remember but that's already minor. No, no need for more bull you can get it in any desired amount here just turn any radio or TV channel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 it's pretty simple the Germans cannot undo decades of relying on Russian oil overnight the Russians have them over a barrel, literally Canada is simply adhering to realpolitik this is not a contest of morality, only interests the Germans will require years to detach themselves from the Russians if the Ukrainians don't like it. too bad, the Ukrainians are not in charge, they get what we decide to give them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 think of the things that our Empire has done for realpolitik we sunk the French fleet at Algeria to keep it from Vichy France, on 3 July 1940 we opened fire on our French allies, killing 1,297 French sailors this is no holds barred, Ukraine is a just a proxy, and they are expendable downrange as necessary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: Greta Thunberg is actually the epitome of the Nazi Youth No limit to how low a Russian Troll will stoop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 minute ago, herbie said: No limit to how low a Russian Troll will stoop. you are the filthy Communist traitor I am the Soldier of the Crown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted July 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) Yeah me too am getting tired of the meaningless bull repeating itself ad infinitum. The question is simple: what Canada has to do with Germany servicing turbines for Hitler (2.0) or whoever else it wants/needs? Why did it need to be involved? Why could it not be uninvolved in the pantomime? At this point it's just stupid funny. Are they stupid enough to not understand a question that simple or hold us for too stupid to ask for a meaningful answer? I'm sure both is a possibility but a vague doubt lingers, could there be any others? Edited July 14, 2022 by myata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, myata said: Yeah me too am getting tired of the meaningless bull repeating itself ad infinitum. stop posting your inane bull then Canada is not a direct democracy Canada is a monarchy with representation your brand of politics are not welcome in Canada you may of course oppose government policy but you may not overthrow the monarchy, as that would be treason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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