First a trickle....Now a flood

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Will keep reading, looking for the new episode.

Whatever.

Just stop derailing the thread with your anti-science conspiracy theories.

[myata]

On 4/7/2023 at 1:32 PM, Contrarian said:

I will not dismiss the overwhelming evidence and consensus among medical professionals that COVID-19 is a serious public health threat and that vaccines and other preventive measures are effective in mitigating its spread.

We have to admit certain guilt before the general public, in sending it misleading or plain illogical messages. Science doesn't work this way.

Before a statement can be made, not even proven yet, all terms and notions must be defined precisely and unambiguously. What is "consensus"? How does it relate to "scientifically proven"? How do we define and measure it? Do we vote? Is voting equivalent to scientific evidence now, in what rate and proportion?

Short of following all these steps diligently, you end up with just empty words. And then, sure you can have your way with the words but they have no substance and carry no weigh. With time it'll be as clear as ever. Do the good doctors even think how their little tricks and efforts will look in the perspective of time?

[myata]

22 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Consensus among experts in a particular field is an important indicator of scientific validity and reliability. When a large majority of experts agree on a particular issue, it is a strong signal that the evidence supporting that position is robust and reliable. Please, do not give me examples from history. This is 2023. A global conspiracy of the scale that is alleged, is just ridiculous.

You are avoiding clearly asked questions and could it be because there isn't a more meaningful answer? We are not talking about conspiracies here at least I wouldn't want to. But there are clear, and importantly, factual indications that a powerful group has been trying to promote its narrative and agenda, by way more and over than an open and objective scientific discussion. At this point, if one remains on the position of fact, logic, evidence and objectivity, and I'll vouch that "for their own greater good do it now we think later" has not anything to do with any of those qualities of science as the history clearly demonstrated that and there's no point in going back, one cannot avoid the question what is the meaning of proclaimed "consensus"? Is it still about science or, manipulation, subversion and control?

And here again, based on the same lessons, we don't need to guess. All that can be proven or supported in science has to stand up to open critical questioning. And accordingly, anything that doesn't, wherever and however published and by who, is not science, and cannot be.

[myata]

8 hours ago, Contrarian said:

However, it should not be used to dismiss a consensus that is supported by a large body of evidence and expert agreement.

Obviously, you have no answer. Who declares the "consensus", on what grounds and by what process? "Consensus" is only a word of nine letters in English, but what is the meaning? Can anyone declare a consensus of experts on any issue of their choice? Try again?

For example it's a fact that there's no "consensus" on use of q-vaccines in children under 18. Some countries, a growing number with experts in them by the way, decided against it, so no, not a consensus. Some of those that insisted saw a steep increase in the number of fatalities in these age groups, real people children died for the sake of the holy consensus. Reminds of something, in the earlier history? Where did the professional standard, the oath go, under the consensus?

Edited April 9, 2023 by myata

[myata]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

where the main experts agree!

Yep could have said as much three posts earlier, nothing new. Who is the "main" expert by the way? Who defines and declares, in what process? Do main ones have to bother with the process or just cut to the fun part, the conclusion that they already know being the (self-appointed) "main" ones?

That sure will work better than the method tested and verified in millennia and generations. Or you'll just get another of those blowbacks. One or the other. Good luck.

[myata]

7 hours ago, Contrarian said:

My approach to navigating the pandemic has been different. While some people had the luxury

No answer, short. The ones spending most time on TV screens with an obvious agenda have to be the "main" ones. Decided by, appointed, overseen by...? No answer.

[myata]

7 hours ago, Contrarian said:

that every pandemic is accompanied by the same noise from skeptics.

This one just may be different: it could have been created artificially and even the good doctors, being caught in an attempt of subverting scientific investigation by calling it "conspiracy" will not deny it any longer. So should the episode be shrugged off to "just trust your doctor" and we'll see what happens the next time? Or do we, as citizens from whose pockets the doctors are paid have the right to establish and know the truth?

[myata]

16 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I have no doubt there are some things we don't know and we will never know.

You don't care to know if this one in particular or any part of it, was created artificially, and if so, establish strict checks and controls to make sure it never happens again? Wow... good luck (and we'll need it).

[OftenWrong]

6 minutes ago, myata said:

You don't care to know if this one in particular or any part of it, was created artificially, and if so, establish strict checks and controls to make sure it never happens again? Wow... good luck (and we'll need it).

Forcing people to take an untested vaccine that was based on already failed mrna technology is what convinced me they're all nuts.Giving it to children, babies, pregnant women. 

Their magic bullet failed to work, and most people are smart enough to know it by now. That's the main issue.

[OftenWrong]

You didnt need to be a doctor or vaccine expert. It fell under good old common sense. Your grandma knew better than the self-appointed experts and those who sought to make a name for themselves,  or getting their PhD.

It affected elderly, weak and sick. For the rest of us, a mere inconvenience to be sick for a few days. I had a slightly sore throat and a headache.

Edited April 9, 2023 by OftenWrong

[myata]

11 hours ago, Contrarian said:

However, just blaming my personal struggles on global events like the pandemic will only hold me back from moving forward. I don't want to be stuck ten years from now still talking about it while others have gained.

A good citizen! Exalted politicians and experimental syringe-happy good doctors will like you. Don't care about critical matters, expect and demand no accountability and responsibility works just great for them.

[Goddess]

On 4/8/2023 at 12:05 PM, Contrarian said:

The scientific method is designed to be self-correcting, meaning that as new evidence and data become available, scientific consensus may shift or change. 

Given this fine definition, is it normal in science to censor new evidence and data and to silence and cancel the careers of doctors and scientists who provide that new evidence? 

Is what we've seen happen to science for the last 3 years normal? My view is that it is not.

Because of scientific censorship, the public was misled about both covid and the inoculations.

While some of these can be "mistakes" or new evidence coming in, I think the sheer volume of misleading and incorrect information that the public received, goes far beyond "mistakes."  Partly because the "mistakes" are never corrected.

I think of Trudeau campaigning in the last election and his insane Hitler-like screaming about how unvaxxed people had NO RIGHT to move about freely in society and put his or YOUR children in danger.

It was all rubbish.

By spring of 2020, we already knew the risk to anyone who was not very elderly, morbidly obese or already with a foot in the grave was extremely low and that children's risk was even lower than that.

By the time Trudeau screamed the above to a cheering crowd, we already knew the jabs weren't preventing anything.

We were lied to, misled and manipulated by hate-filled propaganda, scientific censorship and a steady diet of fear-porn.

I'm not surprised that gullible people have trouble admitting it. 

It was shameful. 

Edited April 10, 2023 by Goddess

[Goddess]

On 4/9/2023 at 12:23 PM, myata said:

No answer, short. The ones spending most time on TV screens with an obvious agenda have to be the "main" ones. Decided by, appointed, overseen by...? No answer.

He is saying he was content to be led along during the pandemic like a pig with a nose ring and that he had zero interest in understanding anything himself, so he took the intellectually lazy route of getting his science from CBC headlines.

[eyeball]

On 4/8/2023 at 10:01 AM, Goddess said:

 eyeball talks breathlessly and excitedly about the possibility of firing squads 

?

Bullets are way to fast.

 

[Goddess]

3 hours ago, Contrarian said:

The scientific method is not based on censorship and silencing of evidence. It is a process of hypothesis, experimentation, and peer review that allows for the best possible understanding of the natural world.

Then why do you reject the scientific method? And why do you advise others to reject it? And why you support scientific censorship? 

Edited April 10, 2023 by Goddess

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

SEE THE FAMILY DOCTOR."

Doctors are not gods. Doctors orchestrated the holocaust. Doctors are not immune to government propaganda. When the German government wanted to exterminate Jews, it was doctors who suggested using the gas chambers they had invented to get rid of the disabled.

50% of doctors graduated in the BOTTOM half of their class.

[OftenWrong]

5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Doctors are not gods. Doctors orchestrated the holocaust. Doctors are not immune to government propaganda. When the German government wanted to exterminate Jews, it was doctors who suggested using the gas chambers they had invented to get rid of the disabled.

50% of doctors graduated in the BOTTOM half of their class.

Family doctors didn't really know much more about mrna vaccines than anyone else did, as our government and the companies who made these vaccines kept their test data a secret. Instead they listened to the advice coming from the "Top Doctor" - a government appointed position.

Alright, fine. Let's say they all made a big mistake there, and that's all it is. "Emergency". "No other choice". What's even more unconscionable is the reaction to the data coming out once the vaccines were given to the public. Total denial that anything is wrong, or that it even COULD go wrong. But still... Astrazenica... women's periods... reports of palsy, myocarditis and arrhythmia. Some people being incapacitated. Died suddenly became a thing. All of these reports were denied vehemently by the Top Doctors.

If you don't know that, you's an i d i o t. Go back in your rabbit cage.

[OftenWrong]

3 hours ago, Contrarian said:

1. mRNA vaccines went through rigorous testing and clinical trials, and the results were published in peer-reviewed journals for all to see. The data is publicly available and transparent.
2. Reports of adverse reactions to COVID-19 vaccines are being thoroughly investigated and monitored by regulatory agencies like the FDA and CDC. These agencies regularly update the public on the latest safety information.
3. Dismissing someone as an "id iot" or resorting to insults does not advance the conversation, but just helps the strength of my argument. 
4. I have some time today, tomorrow will be busy, tomorrow, you people can be free to post as in China and Russia, without opposition.  

3. Your "argument" has no strength at all. I didn't call you out, did I? Or did you feel you were announced, when I refer to such low-brow types. Yes, surely you are included, if you insist.

4. I'm sure you have lots of time. Lots and lots of time. Unemployed and living in a shack. But goes on the internet.

Maybe look for honest work, instead of posting 50 times/ day useless filler material and mirrored self-gazing?

[OftenWrong]

1 minute ago, Contrarian said:

So, no logic, no data,  no effort.

Just says what I said but reverse.

You are a good copy machine. 

Because you presented no data and went back to stuff that helps me, here it is:

Honest work? In 1 hour on the computer, I produce more than the cheque you get from Uncle Sugar. The reverse psychology is so weak. Like you, a troll with no arguments. Poor soul.

You like the others here view this as some sort of a personal contest, to "best" your "opponent". But your words mean absolutely nothing. Once you get over that fact you might stop being a troll and jackazz. But it's not looking hopeful.

You can either be part of the problem, as in identify yourself with the phrase  i d i o t, or you can be helpful.

But whatever you do, doesn't matter to me because you're just another sad troll. Drunken, polish sod.

All I ask is that you STFU...

[OftenWrong]

2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Today, I enjoyed rattling the cage of your echo-chamber. You are a pathetic loser, read your posts here and other ones. I even saved a few from years ago, amazing. 

The stuff that you gotten away with no opposition while people worked and still are working for your welfare cheque.

My, my, weak machine. The time is over for trolls like you. I can make a living while AT THE SAME TIME combating elements like you online, not a problem. I achieved enough to what I needed.

And will continue posting daily.

You achieved... absolute nothing. Which is probably the story of your entire life. Just look at you now.

How big is the tent?

I could go on, but it's getting late and I have to get up early for work again.

To pay income tax for the welfare checks for you bums, so you can have your free soup and money to pay for your cell phone. So you can keep coming here spending all day, writing bad things about me.  

[myata]

16 hours ago, Contrarian said:

in 10 years' time, if I am still able to, I will

Repeat as ever: the good doctors know best! Never ask any questions because they already know everything. Put on your mask while sleeping because they said so. Line up for quarterly experimental RNA injections. Gotcha. A good citizen.

[OftenWrong]

1 minute ago, Contrarian said:

Later on will post to update some threads here. 

Yes, no doubt you have lots of time for that...

[OftenWrong]

Thanks for warning. I'll turn on the ignore filtre.

Cuts out 90% of the bullshit around here, I tell you...

[OftenWrong]

2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

since the early 90s I started working with MsDos, do you know it?!

I know Motorola 6800 machine language, if it helps.

[OftenWrong]

1 minute ago, Contrarian said:

Present your answer to this below like a man and allow me to answer or use the ignore, the easy choice:

1. mRNA vaccines went through rigorous testing and clinical trials, and the results were published in peer-reviewed journals for all to see. The data is publicly available and transparent.

2. Reports of adverse reactions to COVID-19 vaccines are being thoroughly investigated and monitored by regulatory agencies like the FDA and CDC. These agencies regularly update the public on the latest safety information.

You talk with logic, I will talk like Switzerland or we can talk Trump style. I can do that.

Sure, go back in the thread and find all the answers you need. But as I recall, NO. The data was only fully revealed in the past year to 6 months. There was a scandal of sorts when they released the full documentation, different groups clamouring and making claims, pointing fingers. I look at it from a back seat view. What happened next is very telling- the government has completely backed off of mandating and promoting the vaccines as they so eagerly did before that.

Answer- too many people reported vaccine injury. And the government could become liable if they promote the vaccine. This news was not being admitted to for a long time.

Rather, the next step they took was to recommend it only for those who are at risk. Blah blah blah.

I am not here to educate. You don't know? Too effin bad Jack Astor. Go get your vaccine, I am not in your way. But... don't you come here telling me anything.

Interesting that anecdotal information became more reliable than government reporting. We know several women in our small social circle who had sudden onset of menstrual problems. It blows your mind if you know anything about statistics... there must be thousands then. We even know one person who became disabled by the vaccine. Again, it seems incredible given the small sample size. But when we ask our friends if they also have anyone at their place of work or whatever who's had issues, the answer is yes, a few. Anecdotal evidence?

What else did you ask, I can't remember. I'm not here to educate. It's old news already, everyone has moved on. No one cares about the vaccine anymore, no one wants it. The last ridiculous thing I heard was you'll need it every 2 -4 months. You are free to do that if you want, my friend.

Reports came out but early reports were completely disregarded. It is only when the number of injuries became very noticeable, that they put a stop to it. That is what is happening now. Canada is behind other countries due to heavy bureaucracy. The sad federalis are still trying to peddle the last of the vaccine they paid top dollar for. Not because you need it, not because it's good for you, but it helps to balance their spreadsheet. Again, you want the vaccine go fill your boots.

People dying on the ice, on the soccer field, football. All within a short time of getting the shot. I wonder why it happened so much all of a sudden. "Died suddenly". But now it's not heard very much again. Coincidence? Anecdotal Information?

Tell you what, so-called contrain. You don't even know what a contrarian is. If you at least were one I could respect that. But you are not. You're just nothing.