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1 hour ago, Goddess said:

Quarantining the healthy:

In addition to what you wrote, it makes the healthy more vulnerable to diseases.

Closing gyms, encouraging to stay home for extended periods ( weeks to months), not allowing use of outdoor playgrounds and skating rinks, all contribute to increased demise.

Yet somehow this is trotted out by "Top Doctors" as good health advice.

Heck even my Grandma knows better than the garbage these people are pushing on the public, and kids.

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1 hour ago, Goddess said:

I've addressed and expanded on each point already in this thread.

You're about a year and half too late to address any of these points.

You did a great job.

Congratulations on proving, scientifically, everything my grandmother already knows.

;) 

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53 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

You did a great job.

Congratulations on proving, scientifically, everything my grandmother already knows.

;) 

Thanks. 

Part of it was that I already had a basic knowledge of how immune systems function and other medical knowledge. It allowed me to identify the science charlatans quickly, follow the true science, avoid propaganda and to assimilate and add to information I already knew was scientifically correct.

I'm also a very good researcher. If I don't know something, I at least know how and where to find the information.

Contrary to what I've been accused of here - while my sister's vax injury did contribute to my search for answers - I've been a truth seeker for most of my life and some of my life experiences have sharpened my bullshyte detector quite well.

The lies were obvious from the beginning, ie: Ivermectin as horse dewormer. It was literally shocking to see the CDC outright lie to the public on that one.

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Here's a question for your doctor:

Why did the death rates for covid in Ontario go UP by 39%, the year after the vaccines rolled out?

Why did the hospitalizations for covid in Ontario go UP by 31% after the vaccines rolled out?

Weren't the vaccines supposed to reduce hospitalizations and deaths?

It's especially odd, given the "variants of concern" by this time were less deadly that the original strain.

Comparison of COVID-19 Hospitalizations and Deaths in 2022 and 2021 (publichealthontario.ca)

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PS - The answer is in the studies I've posted here.
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The next generation will correctly judge this generation as among the most selfish in human history.

We didn’t just waste three years because of covid policies. We wasted more like 30. Decades of progress in education made by the poorest kids, has been basically erased. It’s even worse in the third world.

India boasts one of the longest school closures in history with an average of 82 weeks or 574 days. Even more mind-boggling when you consider that only 24% of households have internet access.  The damage done there will be, without exaggeration, inestimable.

Destroying the economy doubles that effect, as more kids will now grow up in poverty. Dam’s about to break.

 

Lockdowns reversed decades of progress in education, human rights, and the global war on poverty in an instant, for absolutely no benefit, without a peep from the supposed human rights community, so billionaires could stuff more money in their already burgeoning pockets, cheered on by ID-iots.
 
Lockdowns will, in the end, prove more deadly than if we had done NOTHING.
 
 
History will write that we destroyed the lives of children, adults, the elderly and those who refused an experimental drug for a virus that has a 99%+ survival rate for the healthy.
 
And those of us who predicted this devastation were called granny killers who valued the economy over lives.
 
What an anti-scientific farce.
 
 
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Great lecture by Naomi Wolf, who started the website Daily Clout, when she realized how MASSIVE the document dump would be when Pfizer was finally forced by the courts to release its trial data.  She put out a call to experts to read through it all and received 2500 volunteers.

Here she was invited by Hillsdale Campus to speak on "What's In the Pfizer Documents?"

What's in the Pfizer Documents? | Hillsdale College Freedom Library

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@Goddess Contrarian keeps pointing to this thread as some kind of evidence that he has addressed the issue of why covid deaths were 24% higher in 2022 than in any previous year, even though 85% of Canadians had vaxed prior to Jan 1 2022, and why the multi-vaxed accounted for 85.7% of our covid deaths in 2022.

The last thing I want to do is sift through more of his drivel. If he has posted anything worthwhile in this thread could you point me to it?

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I really wish you had taken my advice to read through the studies and data in this thread before doing this.  

As you pointed out yourself - the studies you are posting are far out of date.  I have tried to post the most recent studies and datasets here.

Your "centrist's view"  while seemingly showing a neutral stance, is also disingenuous.  A "centrist's view" has not been taken by those in authority at ANY time during the "pandemic" or regarding any of the mitigation measures imposed.  It's easy to look back in hindsight and say, "Here is the centrist view" of this point - but in reality - NONE of that was done during the "pandemic", nor did you support any kind of "centrist views" of anything that was done, until now.

Did you pay for the PDF copy of your first link on PCR tests?  How did you research this article?  It's from 2 years ago.  Did you read any of the posts I have made here about the PCR tests, how they are run, why the results were controversial, what their intended purpose was, explained the problems with the cycle thresholds, quoted the scientist who actually invented them to see what he had to say?  I wish you had read those first and then commented something useful or worthy of discussion.

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The second link, shows that S. Korea did a lot of testing, but no where in the article does it say what you said it did:

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The study reported that aggressive testing, tracing, and isolation measures helped to reduce the spread of the virus, even without the need for strict lockdowns.

 

As I feared, it appears you are just doing a quick google and now you're mucking up my thread with no real research, not even caring whether the information is current, just that it supports that narrative from the last 3 and half years.

In addition, you are frequently missing the actual point of each point that I made.

For instance, the point about early treatment was NOT about Vit. D.  It was about earlly treatments in general and just used Vit D as an example. And then you disingenuously insinuated that the claim was that Vit. D CURED covid.  No one has ever said that.

And this:

13 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Additionally, a study published in JAMA found that high-dose vitamin D supplementation did not significantly reduce hospital length of stay, ICU admission, or mortality in hospitalized COVID-19 patients.

https://www.bmj.com/content/356/bmj.i6583

Do you think that maybe that study doesn't show that Vit. D has any benefit in treating Covid-19 because it's from 2016?

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Please, I'm asking you nicely - unless you're going to do this correctly, stop mucking up my thread with nonsense.  Start your own thread if you want to continue.

I have provided over 50 pages of how to post studies and data and how to read and understand and evaluate them.  I post the link to the actual study and make sure it's accessible, no paywall.  When I make a statement about what the study shows, I quote the parts of the article that actually show that. 

When I post a study or dataset, I also provide an explanation and discussion of it.  You post a sentence or two about what the study shows, and I'm finding in most instances, that's not what it shows.  No quotes, so I don't know where you're seeing what you claim the article is about.

I also post information about the authors of the studies I post.  Do you find out any information on the authors of the studies you are posting?  Like maybe who funds them?  Do you compare what the written end points of each study is, to whether their methodology used for the study enabled the ability to reach the stated end points?

I'm sorry, but what you are doing here is very poor research.

 

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4 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

This is what I zero-ed in. 

Will continue to do it, daily for 22 days, and then will move on. 

You are welcome to respond, and the audience to be the judge. 

Listened enough to every degenerate and low IQ over the internet, will not stop you hear me? Who are you exactly? Because you are a woman, you want me to show less sympathy? 

Daily, for 20 days (+ 2 days). 

So, you're NOT going to read any of the 50 pages of studies and datasets I've posted here, just going to muck up a thread for pages and pages with out of date nonsense, no effort posts with 2 sentences and a random link with no quotes or discussion, which I have to reply to and correct because you refuse to read the most current info, which has already been posted and discussed by me.

Have I got that right?

 

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26 minutes ago, Goddess said:

So, you're NOT going to read any of the 50 pages of studies and datasets I've posted here, just going to muck up a thread for pages and pages with out of date nonsense, no effort posts with 2 sentences and a random link with no quotes or discussion, which I have to reply to and correct because you refuse to read the most current info, which has already been posted and discussed by me.

Have I got that right?

 

He may have come late to this but at least he's responding with a degree of respect, something you've been demanding.  Perhaps try engaging in the discussion you claim to want, instead of b1tching.

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On 4/14/2023 at 3:23 AM, Contrarian said:

The delay in recognizing the potential for asymptomatic spread was due in part to the novelty of the virus and the rapidly evolving understanding of its transmission dynamics.

Yes, the "novelty" of the virus has been the excuse used to justify imposing draconian measures on humanity and also a convenient excuse for why they were wrong on everything.

So let's look at that "novelty".

There is no doubt, SARS-CoV-2 can be a nasty virus at the individual level. But, why hasn’t the same cataclysm hit our highly connected world? As far as deadly diseases and "things that kill humans" go, it's the LEAST of our worries.

SARS-CoV-2 was absolutely not novel.  Everything has been blown out of proportion with some very dire consequences for public health and for public liberties.

Having allegedly killed 0.05% of the world population in 18 months, SARS-CoV-2 is evidently not particularly lethal to the community. A simple comparison with the ravages of other viruses suggests that SARS-CoV-2 isn’t novel after all, and that populations were originally largely immune to it from the beginning.  

There is no question that, if we had absolutely NO immunity against this virus, all the conditions would have combined for a catastrophe of epic proportions. An epidemic that would have made the Aztec extinction look small.

But, this pandemic had no fuel. In other words, people were somehow “immune”, and indeed many were asymptomatic.

Prior to March 2020, doctors had treated covid so well that most didn't even realize it was prevalent.  But then the panic began - the ban on early treatments, use of intubation, financial incentives to diagnose covid, the inflated death counts and cases! cases! cases! fear porn crammed down our throats.

Most researchers are focused on the many viral and immune intricacies of SARS-CoV-2, but essentially, they miss out on taking a more systemic perspective that explains quite simply what has occurred:  there is nothing particularly new with SARS-CoV-2.

COVID-19: an ‘extraterrestrial’ disease? - International Journal of Infectious Diseases (ijidonline.com)

Covid 19 unfolds in the body's respiratory system exactly the same way the flu does.

In other words, minimising the clinical impact of COVID-19 is all about early intervention, either therapeutic or immunological, and also about avoiding high dose contamination as much as possible. That is true of all coronaviruses and of the flu, and any decent doctor knows that.

Covid 19 shares 65-82% of its genome with the main coronavirus family.

Table - PMC (nih.gov)

Roughly 21,000 nucleotides are shared between SARS-CoV-2 and other coronaviruses, that’s nearly 15 times more than the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines. Common coronavirus colds permanently circulate the planet, and have been infecting people for centuries.  Billions of people have had to gain immunity against the most immunogenic parts of this long string of RNA. 

Past infections act as yearly “vaccination campaigns”. Year after year immunizing the population. Even before it ever existed, people were largely immunized against COVID-19. This is a well-known concept called cross-immunity that  also exists for the flu. Cross-immunity is a natural immunological safety net, most likely, the principal reason for the relative mildness of this pandemic.

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I previously posted stats on this thread from ICHOR, a testing facility in Alberta, that showed well above half of people had some immunity against this "novel" virus.

The captured medical, political and media establishments has NOT addressed the topic that SARS-CoV-2 is absolutely not new. In fact, many scientists have been aggressively trying to discount it: Interestingly, some contend circulating antibodies and T-cells triggered by the vaccines are a proof of immunity, but that pre-existing cross-reactive antibodies and T-cells aren’t… as if the immune system was able to discriminate.

Cross-immunity and vaccines are based on the same immunological processes. Natural and vaccine-induced immunity are simply two instances of the same biological platform.

If one believes in vaccines against COVID, one necessarily needs to believe that past coronaviruses have already immunized a big part of the population. 

This survey:  Cross-reactive CD4+ T cells enhance SARS-CoV-2 immune responses upon infection and vaccination (medrxiv.org)  found that 80-98% of blood samples taken throughout the globe had cross-reactive T-cells. Cross-reactive cells are immune cells that can target shared elements between distinct viruses, notably all the commonalities within the coronavirus family.

You can go back and read that again: 80-98% of the world population likely has a significant degree of pre-existing immunity against SARS-CoV-2, and that surely explains the overall low fatality rates. 

This has been confirmed by more than 20 different papers in all continents.  It confirms that this virus is not at all novel to our immune systems, and why this pandemic is in fact relatively mild, contrary to what some fear-mongers predicted.

JCI Insight - A majority of uninfected adults show preexisting antibody reactivity against SARS-CoV-2

Selective and cross-reactive SARS-CoV-2 T cell epitopes in unexposed humans | Science

 

Cross-immunity is well established fact in science, its a safety net that protects humans against real pandemics.

Cross-immunity was another part of established science that was thrown out the window, in favour of mega-profits.

I can expand on this topic if anyone is interested.  Or you can use the information here to further research on your own.

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12 minutes ago, dialamah said:

He may have come late to this but at least he's responding with a degree of respect, something you've been demanding.  Perhaps try engaging in the discussion you claim to want, instead of b1tching.

Please see my post to him above about why his posts are lazy and incorrect.

"Respectful" would be reading my posts, responding and discussing them.  Not commandeering someone else's thread, making it into something else, shitting all over it and refusing to do any real research, given the effort I have put in here.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Incorrect? Lady, have some respect for those institutions, you are a hurt person that uses the tragedies of close ones to write nonsense on the internet, and now you are screaming because someone is challenging you.

Welcome to democracy. 

22 days. 

Please read my post to you about why your posts are intellectually lazy and incorrect.

You are not challenging me in any way.  You are posting the same propaganda we've all had crammed down our throats, unable to question or discuss it.   

I understand that you are going to be here posting crap for 22 days.

I thank you for at least acknowledging to the "audience" that you do not care whether what you post is current or correct.  Thank you for acknowledging that your intention is to read and rebut none of the studies or datasets I've posted here - WHICH IS WHAT THE THREAD IS ABOUT AND FOR.

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have some respect for those institutions

If you had read any of this thread, you would have seen that I have posted many articles from THOSE SAME INSTITUTIONS.  

But I actually read the studies.  You clearly do not. 

Because you posted a paper claiming it had information about covid 19, that was from 2016.

So at least the "audience" knows the quality of your research.

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4 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

After 22 days, you may have your thread back and manipulate it as you please.

Excuse me?

Who the fuque are you, besides a drunk?

Thank you for admitting that your purpose here is to ruin my thread for 22 days.

 

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I'm sure that any of the "audience" with a modicum of critical thinking will see the difference in the quality of our posts.

Thank you again for saying that your purpose is to ruin this thread for 22 days by commandeering it for your own purposes, and for stating outright that you have no intention of ensuring what you post is current or correct and that you have refused to read or discuss the current, correct material.

I don't troll my own thread. I stated what its purpose was in the first post.

I've already pointed out with examples that your links are out of date and do not say what you say they say.

You are the one who is the troll.

People can read the studies and datasets or they can read your drunken postings.

Entirely up to them.

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On 4/13/2023 at 4:41 PM, WestCanMan said:

@Goddess Contrarian keeps pointing to this thread as some kind of evidence that he has addressed the issue of why covid deaths were 24% higher in 2022 than in any previous year, even though 85% of Canadians had vaxed prior to Jan 1 2022, and why the multi-vaxed accounted for 85.7% of our covid deaths in 2022.

The last thing I want to do is sift through more of his drivel. If he has posted anything worthwhile in this thread could you point me to it?

Unfortunately no.

He has decided to take over my thread for the next month and post articles that he has quickly googled and done zero research on, stating he does not care if they are current or correct.

I haven't clicked on all his links, but the smattering of them that I have clicked on, are both far out of date and do not address any of the points I've made here.  In fact, he has stated that he refuses to read any of the studies or datasets I've posted on this thread and will instead post his un-researched crap for the next month.

I suspect this has more to do with the fact that he is a drunk, than anything else.

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12 minutes ago, Goddess said:

haven't clicked on all his links, but the smattering of them that I have clicked on,

The smattering of links I clicked on of yours were garbage - Twitter "doctors", conspiracy theorists, manipulated videos, outright lies.  That your supporters are so easily fooled is hardly surprising, given the lack of critical thinking endemic on this forum.

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13 minutes ago, dialamah said:

The smattering of links I clicked on of yours were garbage - Twitter "doctors", conspiracy theorists, manipulated videos, outright lies.  That your supporters are so easily fooled is hardly surprising, given the lack of critical thinking endemic on this forum.

Like when I posted about how restrictions and mandates affected children, linked to articles from child psychologists and then you posted that I was an ID-iot and that lockdowns, school closures and bankrupting parents were going to have NO effect whatsoever on children?

Like when you posted that anyone claiming to be injured or had a loved one die from the jabs - they were all liars, fakers and attention-seekers and then you mocked the father who lost his 17 year old son 2 weeks after the jab?  And now teenagers and young adults are keeling over from heart attacks and strokes and I just posted a paper that addressed the issue.

Like when I posted all the studies about myocarditis and then you posted that myocarditis was caused by covid and had absolutely nothing to do with the vaccines and then a few months later the CDC finally admitted that OOOPS! the vaccines DO cause myocardtis after all.

Like when you accused anyone who thought ivermectin was beneficial of taking horse de-wormer.

Like how you said the jabs were a miracle cure and were going to end the pandemic and now excess deaths are up 20% in every country and more people are dying from covid now than were dying BEFORE the jabs.

Like when you advocated for perfectly healthy people to be ostracized from society so you would be "safer", even though you're what 4 or 5? jabs in and still not safe?

Like how you ignore every study and dataset here and still think the CBC is the best place to get medical information from.

I could go on since you've been wrong about literally everything.

You sure love the misinformation and lies.

I'm sure you will be here for the next month, cheering on more of the drunken misinformation and propaganda we've had crammed down our throats for over 3 years. 

But I'M the "conspiracy theorist.

Riiiiiiiiiiigggggghhhhht. ?

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4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Like when I posted about how restrictions and mandates affected children, linked to articles from child psychologists and then you posted that I was an ID-iot and that lockdowns, school closures and bankrupting parents were going to have NO effect whatsoever on children?

Like when you posted that anyone claiming to be injured or had a loved one die from the jabs - they were all liars, fakers and attention-seekers and then you mocked the father who lost his 17 year old son 2 weeks after the jab?  And now teenagers and young adults are keeling over from heart attacks and strokes and I just posted a paper that addressed the issue.

Like when I posted all the studies about myocarditis and then you posted that myocarditis was caused by covid and had absolutely nothing to do with the vaccines and then a few months later the CDC finally admitted that OOOPS! the vaccines DO cause myocardtis after all.

Like when you accused anyone who thought ivermectin was beneficial of taking horse de-wormer.

Like how you said the jabs were a miracle cure and were going to end the pandemic and now excess deaths are up 20% in every country and more people are dying from covid now than were dying BEFORE the jabs.

Like when you advocated for perfectly healthy people to be ostracized from society so you would be "safer", even though you're what 4 or 5? jabs in and still not safe?

Like how you ignore every study and dataset here and still think the CBC is the best place to get medical information from.

I could go on since you've been wrong about literally everything.

You sure love the misinformation and lies.

I'm sure you will be here for the next month, cheering on more of the drunken misinformation and propaganda we've had crammed down our throats for over 3 years. 

But I'M the "conspiracy theorist.

Riiiiiiiiiiigggggghhhhht. ?

You lie so much, it beggars belief.

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1 hour ago, Goddess said:

In fact, he has stated that he refuses to read any of the studies or datasets I've posted on this thread and will instead post his un-researched crap for the next month.

Contrarian outed himself as a cultist in the leftism as a religion thread. 
 

He literally can’t even talk about the topic of covid deaths in 2022, he just calls people names if they bring it up.
 

If that’s not a frothy mouthed cultist I dunno what is. 
 

I get it if people have a confirmation bias, it’s normal to some extent, but when an adult has an outright rejection filter, and they plug their nose and stomp their feet like a child instead of acknowledging facts that are firmly established, it’s cultism. 
 

He sees this thread as a threat to his cult, and now he wants to spam it with his disinformation. He doesn’t care if he’s posting outright lies or disinformation that was outed long ago, he never had any relationship with facts from the beginning. He has no shame.  

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