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11 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

use them on the Russians

if America goes, Ivan is coming with us

 

As long as US does not involve rest of the world, they can nuke each others.

In fairness if instead of having proxy wars in Vietnam and Afghanistan, if Russian and the US nuked each others, it would not be too bad. 

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4 hours ago, rectum said:

As long as US does not involve rest of the world, they can nuke each others.

the Russians don't stand a chance in a shooting war

they have no early warming, most of their missiles would be taken out in the counterforce strike

whatever they had left, they would launch at major population centres in a countervalue retaliation

they would take out New York, Chicago & Los Angeles

so the Russians would wipe themselves out, and the Democrats too, in one fell swoop

huzzah

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11 minutes ago, rectum said:

As long as it is the Russian and the Americans taking each others, i don't care.

oh, well,  Canada is not going to survive

Canada is actually the no man's land in between America & Russia

and Canada is downrange from the fallout

the fallout plume from Chicago alone would wipe eastern Canada out

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Just now, rectum said:

Europe will not survive. 

it might mostly Africa that would survive. 

the safest place in the event of thermonuclear war in the northern hemisphere

based on the prevailing winds

is actually Cuidad del Este in Paraguay

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3 minutes ago, rectum said:

I knew I loved Paraguay.

it's sheltered by the Andes, the west to east winds don't go past the mountains

then you've got the water supply from the Parana river

there's a strong crop base and plenty of livestock for food

 you don't want to be in the middle of nowhere in the event of, you need economy to survive

and Cuidad del Este is a vibrant city with all the amenities, critical mass

ready made, for Mad Max World

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here's the prevailing winds map

these arrows are where the fallout is going to go

you can see, that in Africa, the winds are coming down from Europe into North Africa

and coming across the Ocean from Australia into South Africa

but notice that sweet spot there in South America ?

right there in Paraguay, no prevailing winds directed towards it

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10 hours ago, rectum said:

I just don't like the when people: Everything we do is good, everything others do is bad. 

everything we do is bad, everything others do is good

is even dumber

downplaying the heinous actions of Russia while upplaying the bad actions of western globalists is asinine identity politics

and those who do so, should be ridiculed as the NPCs they are

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So Ukraine hits command centers, tanks, positions, munitions depots and such. And RuZZia hits apartment buildings, shopping malls, hospitals, railway stations, kindergartens. Not just in Ukraine, in Syria, everywhere. No rules, no honor, a gang of thugs, robbers and murderers, only in uniform. That defines a terrorist state. Try to find a better example.

And so, we have a proven terrorist state, by its own act in our planet's Security Council. What does this fact make of us? Somebody was citing Higher Powers as the reason to restrict and impose this and that, but if They existed, wouldn't They be watching us, this very moment with our "Security Council" and what would they think? A joke, parody on intelligent species? Another experiment that went sideways, to scrap? What would be a better option, if They existed, or otherwise?

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Why should Canada or western NATO countries stop funding and supplying weapons in Ukraine, which wants to be part of the democratic western nations?  Without NATO and the west's help, a brutal, authoritarian dictatorship may completely destroy and take over the Ukraine and then what is next as it would have expanded it's size and control of the world?  Russia, China, N. Korea, and Iran are the great Axis of Evil that are in fact a real threat to freedom in the world.

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20 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

the issue is really what are we going to do about the loose nukes when Russia totally collapses into ruin this time  ?

What should have been done in the early 1990s when stars of peace, friendship, profits and GDP went up in the eyes and eclipsed all rational thought: buy them out for food and some cooperation, or lock inside under heavy isolation and buy out one at a time. Totalitarian, dictatorial states should not be allowed to have the nukes, especially in these quantities. We are literally living the proof that this was the only rational option back then. Maybe we can afford another thought back to our time in the future. Or maybe not.

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7 minutes ago, myata said:

Totalitarian, dictatorial states should not be allowed to have the nukes, especially in these quantities.

well, nukes are actually 1940's technology

so it's not that hard to make them, soon as you have the plutonium

they're actually cheap compared to conventional weapons

thus a robust deterrence posture is your only real control lever

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5 hours ago, myata said:

And so, we have a proven terrorist state, by its own act in our planet's Security Council. What does this fact make of us? Somebody was citing Higher Powers as the reason to restrict and impose this and that, but if They existed, wouldn't They be watching us, this very moment with our "Security Council" and what would they think? A joke, parody on intelligent species? Another experiment that went sideways, to scrap? What would be a better option, if They existed, or otherwise?

Well, a Shining Beacon for Liberty and Democracy on the Security Council didn't make much difference so...

How about benevolent aliens speeding their way to rescue us from our adolescent blunders and before we blow ourselves up?  At least that's a more realistic possibility than some Higher Power suddenly showing up.

So I wonder what He, She, It would say - something like "WTF are you dingbats think/doing" or something more forgiving?

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21 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

at the geostrategic level, the issue is not even beating Russia

the issue is really what are we going to do about the loose nukes when Russia totally collapses into ruin this time  ?

We should probably be wondering the same thing about the breakup of the once super-duper power to the south of us that appears to be heading in the same direction.

What will a nuclear armed Jesusland mean at the geostrategic level?  Probably a spearpoint for a battle shaping up at a more Biblical level would be my guess.

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

So I wonder what He, She, It would say - something like "WTF are you dingbats think/doing" or something more forgiving?

Might have thought that in the times of inquisition but that was awhile back.

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

How about benevolent aliens speeding their way to rescue us from our adolescent blunders and before we blow ourselves up?

If they by some unlikeliest of miracles squeezed through this stage they would know that its such a rarest of impossibility that there's no point we'll be over with it before they even lift their bum.

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1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

thus a robust deterrence posture is your only real control lever

Would it work with a mad dictator with a sore desolation of a country he doesn't give a [email protected] about in a bunker worth all of its social programs while you have dozens if not hundreds of million-population cities? Maybe time to think about something more robust?

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21 minutes ago, myata said:

Would it work with a mad dictator with a sore desolation of a country he doesn't give a [email protected] about in a bunker worth all of its social programs while you have dozens if not hundreds of million-population cities? Maybe time to think about something more robust?

for the scenario where countervalue deterrence breaks down

the nuclear option becomes what is called a counterforce

you build a force which strikes the adversary missiles premptively

with a global ballistic missile system to shoot down whatever missiles launch before you can take them out

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7 hours ago, myata said:

So Ukraine hits command centers, tanks, positions, munitions depots and such. And RuZZia hits apartment buildings, shopping malls, hospitals, railway stations, kindergartens. Not just in Ukraine, in Syria, everywhere. No rules, no honor, a gang of thugs, robbers and murderers, only in uniform. That defines a terrorist state. Try to find a better example.

That's all propaganda.

No one will ever admit to anything their side did that was wrong or which escalated tensions to the point of war.

The Biden administration drone-striked a carload of civilians and lied about its occupants for two weeks. The US nuked Japan twice. The second Iraq war was based on lies. 

Depending on whose stats you use or what metric you use to count war deaths, there were maybe 110,000 violent deaths in Iraq, maybe 300,000 violent deaths in Iraq, 600,000 excess deaths in Iraq, over 1M excess deaths in Iraq... Who knows?

Did the US bomb the only baby formula plant in Iraq, leading to the deaths of thousands of children, or was that plant making chemical weapons? Did 500,000 Iraqi children die as a result of bombing that plant + economic sanctions, or is that number far lower? 

Don't believe me, your mom, CTV, Fox News, The PCs, GOP, Dems, Libs, CNN, Al-Jazeera, or anyone else if they tell you they know, because either they really don't know, or they know because they have top secret security clearances and it's their job to keep secrets (lie)

Ukraine is not the pure, innocent victim that our MSM will have you believe. The Americans would have attacked Ukraine too if they were in Russia's position, don't kid yourself. 

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