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ultimately, economic growth is population growth

what was the Post War Boom ?

that was the Baby Boom

if you're not going to have babies ?

you will need exponentially more immigrants

why will Canadians accept it ?

because the alternative will be wallowing in a depression forever

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6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

most of the immigrants who made America into a superpower went to New York City

you would have to accept some tumult, just as America did in the Long Depression

that's what it was, the Long Depression was driving all those immigrants to New York

people move out of Toronto gradually

the Italians move out and are replaced by Jamaicans, then the Jamaicans move, replaced by Somalis, etc

it's not a orderly process, but Canada is desperate for people

without a massive influx of immigrants, there will be a demographic collapse

America & Mexico will eat Canada's lunch, if Canada can't get out of the demographic collapse vector

True.  Just sad that in Vancouver and Toronto most of the people who grew up there can’t afford homes in their own cities unless they inherit them.  Basically these are international city states. Good and bad.  

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5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

True.  Just sad that in Vancouver and Toronto most of the people who grew up there can’t afford homes in their own cities unless they inherit them.  Basically these are international city states. Good and bad.  

i don't miss Toronto

I wouldn't even want to live there now

I've become used to no traffic and plenty of parking everywhere

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bottom line tho, demographics is going to become THE issue

China for example is going to collapse

China is going to go from 1.2 billion to just 750 million in the next fifty years

the Chinese economy is going to contract in lockstep with population contraction

Canada is in the same boat, but Canada has a hope of saving itself

same way America did, by bringing in massive numbers of immigrants through these "city states" as you call them

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I would also point out, that when my father moved us to Toronto in 1978

he could not afford to buy a $70,000 house then

Toronto has always been expensive

you should only live in Toronto if you are making big money

otherwise,  it's not worth the premium

it was Glenn Gould's Toronto

but Glenn was a millionaire in the 70's, when that was a lot of money

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as with all things inflation related, it's not about how much things cost

it's about how much things cost in relation to your income

and this is what is guaranteed to bring the Liberals down

they are doubling down on inflation

that will quickly outstrip what people are paid

then the Liberals will be wiped out

I don't think they care really

they know they are going to get wiped out in the end

the kind of scum who would serve the Liberal party, are just there to feather their own nests

they are just plundering what they can, before the shit hits the fan

but it's not going to be that long, they are not going to make it to 2025

at this rate of inflation, there will be civil unrest long before we get there

even the moronic NDP is going to realize that the Liberals are dead weight dragging them down

the harbinger has arrived, Doug Ford crushed the Liberals & NDP with ease

as Ontario goes, so goes the nation

the leftist lunacy is wearing very thin very fast, as inflation starts to bite

first the Democrats are going down in flames in November

that will spread to Canada soon after

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No, Canada must not exit any climate agreement.  In fact it should try to serve as a role model by reducing its use of fossil fuels and preventing any new pipelines from being built while phasing out existing ones and quickly as possible.

With some of the rest I may agree

 

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Just now, cougar said:

No, Canada must not exit any climate agreement.  In fact it should try to serve as a role model by reducing its use of fossil fuels and preventing any new pipelines from being built while phasing out existing ones and quickly as possible.

With some of the rest I may agree

 

the climate agreement is just a meme

it doesn't have any practical effect

I would hang leftists from the lampposts as the Communists traitors that they are

but not because of their silly memes which have no real world effects

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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

the climate agreement is just a meme

it doesn't have any practical effect

The climate problem is a global one and all countries should be on board.

What practical effect they achieve today may change tomorrow.

When you leave countries out of the agreement, you leave loopholes for the criminal capitalist structures (replace with "socialist", if this suits you better) to continue polluting and changing the climate.

 

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4 minutes ago, cougar said:

The climate problem is a global one and all countries should be on board.

What practical effect they achieve today may change tomorrow.

When you leave countries out of the agreement, you leave loopholes for the criminal capitalist structures (replace with "socialist", if this suits you better) to continue polluting and changing the climate.

this is not a negotiation

the masses are going to turn on the left in a mass murderous rage

it is infinitely beyond my control, I will simply make popcorn and enjoy the show

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On 6/20/2022 at 8:05 AM, myata said:

The problem of Canada is not stated goals, sometimes they are correct. It's the system of governance of public matters, on all levels to a varying extent that is: outdated or archaic; ineffective; inefficient; disconnected from the reality; averse to adaptation, improvement and change; unable to deliver practical results and come up with innovative solutions for new and existing problems.

The solution proposed here is instead of looking for ways of solving problems that are adequate and work in this century pretend that they, the problems do not exist. The well known ostrich solution, like it ever solved any problems.

The problem of Canada is ... unfulfilled promises.

Every PM since this shit stared has made spectacular promises and every on has spectacularly failed.

We are looked upon by the world as failures (in more than one avenue).

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4 minutes ago, herbie said:

But it's beyond time to turn on those who's politics are so stubbornly ignorant they label anything pro-environment as "left".

anybody supposedly on the "right" who sides with the left, is in a world of hurt

there will be no middle ground, no nuance, it will be war of annihilation without mercy nor quarter

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34 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

there will be no middle ground, no nuance, it will be war of annihilation without mercy nor quarter

Pure folly.  We're in a world where the parties are largely convergent on a centrist neo-liberal program.  Covid is fading and the world should eventually return to where it was.

War of annihilation ... over what exactly ?  

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1 hour ago, herbie said:

No they're not.

But it's beyond time to turn on those who's politics are so stubbornly ignorant they label anything pro-environment as "left".

 

 

That's the problem with Canada the left and right are entrenched in their beliefs, why is that? So much so that a lot of discussions are off-limits and only end in screaming matches. 

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48 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Pure folly.  We're in a world where the parties are largely convergent on a centrist neo-liberal program.  Covid is fading and the world should eventually return to where it was.

War of annihilation ... over what exactly ?  

the world will not return to where it was

demographic winter has begun

can't go back to before it began

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14 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Pure folly.  We're in a world where the parties are largely convergent on a centrist neo-liberal program.  Covid is fading and the world should eventually return to where it was.

War of annihilation ... over what exactly ?  

as I say, it is infinitely beyond my control, I am simply an observer extrapolating a trajectory

it is indeed going back to where it was

where it was in the 1930's that is

Weimarization on a global scale

war is not subject to rational arbritrage

if rational arbitrage was a deciding factor, there would be no wars at all

all war is miscalculation in the end

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13 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

the world will not return to where it was

demographic winter has begun

can't go back to before it began

this does seem to be the undying cause beneath it all

demographic collapse is economic collapse

the growth model is collapsing due to a lack of children

so the ruling elites everywhere pit the masses against one another to stave off revolution

until that fire burns out of their control

if you think of the last time this happened in the 1920's, demographics was the issue then too

what did the Treaty of Versailles take from the Germans in the end ?

it was people

the population of Germany was taken away, inciting a collapse

so it was people that the Nazis went to war to take back

Anschluss

the Nazis were obsessed with children

it was all about the Hitler Youth

because explosive population growth is the stuff empires are made of

as soon as you start shrinking, you are dying

and that is how the West is dying now

the Post War Boom was the Baby Boom

in the wake, it is all collapsing, decades of managed decline now

the vicious internecine fights are breaking out over who will have the pieces of the shrinking pie

the Russians now, are the first to take the fight to the military battlefield

it is the population of Ukraine that they are fighting over

and if they can't have it, they will deny it to the West, by destroying it, scorched earth

this has already brought the Demographic War to the brink of thermonuclear

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On 6/21/2022 at 11:11 PM, Michael Hardner said:

1. If you can find a post where I call myself 'smart' then let's see it.
2. I agree that it would make a difference but not that it would fix things as some have asserted.

1..." I" called you smart Michael, it was meant as a compliment, not everyone is trying to attack you, or accuse you of anything. Except for the "dick" part, that I did mean.  I implied that is why I joined this forum to learn more as I was not the smart guy in the room. 

 

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3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

1. as I say, it is infinitely beyond my control, I am simply an observer extrapolating a trajectory

2. it is indeed going back to where it was, where it was in the 1930's that is

 

1. Ok but you made a specific prediction.  
2. Ok, yes well the left had a huge ascension in North America in the 1930s.  Not the identity-politics left but the "Wages for Work" left.
 

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Ok but you made a specific prediction.  
2. Ok, yes well the left had a huge ascension in North America in the 1930s.  Not the identity-politics left but the "Wages for Work" left.
 

oh, the identity politics left was there

Antifaschistische Aktion ( Antifa ) was the militant wing of the Weimar German Communist Party

in fact, identity politics as we know it,  was born in the Weimar German conflagration

everything is coming full circle, it's "Nazis" v. "Commies" all over again

and the narratives on both sides are what could be described as "pre-genocidal"

in terms of making a prediction, prediction would be asserting a defined end state

I don't go that far, there's too many variables

as I say, I simply extrapolate the trajectory of where things are going

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On 6/22/2022 at 4:55 PM, Army Guy said:

 

That's the problem with Canada the left and right are entrenched in their beliefs, why is that? So much so that a lot of discussions are off-limits and only end in screaming matches. 

Just in Internet forums. I've voted Conservative & BC Liberal at times. Not when they're dominated by the extremists... have an in law that ONLY votes Tory - he grew up under communism, whatever that has to do with Cdn politics.

Family dinners have supporters of ALL parties and politics is openly discussed. Nobody hates or even dislikes each other over their preference.

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9 hours ago, herbie said:

Just in Internet forums. I've voted Conservative & BC Liberal at times. Not when they're dominated by the extremists... have an in law that ONLY votes Tory - he grew up under communism, whatever that has to do with Cdn politics.

Family dinners have supporters of ALL parties and politics is openly discussed. Nobody hates or even dislikes each other over their preference.

That's not in my experience, our park in Fredericton is used by a lot of different groups either protesting or just informing people of their cause, The park is also used by a lot of elderly people to go walking, etc, I've seen some of these groups harass people just out for a walk, most of these conversations end up in yelling matches or get physical with police being called.. So it is not just on the forums... Not many want to discuss anything, just lecture, and scream and shout. and it is not just the left the right has its wing nuts as well 

Step out of the family zone, and talk to someone in the streets or bar, and talk politics see where that goes..

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