Trudeau Government Single-handedly Destroying Tourism and Business Travel

[WestCanMan]

31 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

As for supporting my politics, you or anyone would have a difficult time with that as I have no political affiliation. Just because I do not support or believe your position does not make me wrong or you right.

You're a bit more see-through than you think. Your political affiliation is "whatever the MSM tells you it is."

You're kind of right when you say that your support for Zeitgeist's position doesn't make him right or you wrong, but the facts most certainly do arrive at that conclusion. That's why we talk about facts and you just make insults and post memes. 

If you actually brought a fact to this thread we'd be in shock. 

[ExFlyer]

16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Another fact-free post from the guy who whines about the amount of facts in posts here. So weird (boring & predictable).

You need to worry less about the cat from your post, and be more like the one below:

 

Don't need facts to make statements...then again, maybe the statement is the fact??

[ExFlyer]

13 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You're a bit more see-through than you think. Your political affiliation is "whatever the MSM tells you it is."

You're kind of right when you say that your support for Zeitgeist's position doesn't make him right or you wrong, but the facts most certainly do arrive at that conclusion. That's why we talk about facts and you just make insults and post memes. 

If you actually brought a fact to this thread we'd be in shock. 

See through for sure. There is no political affiliation to see.

I am right, facts that are current are worthwhile. Stale facts are just that, stake and most likely no longer valid as things change too quickly.

I make no insults, I call em as I see em. That is not insulting, that is my opinion, just like you have opinions on my take on things and voice them.

I have brought many current facts and information (and no, I will not play your you show me yours and I will show you mine game). I can call you out on your old news as you can call me out on my current info anytime. That is what debate is all about.

[Zeitgeist]

Sitting on an Air Canada plane looking at the sad frustrated eyes of masked faces.  These people have sat in lines and had flights canceled all day, including me.  What possible justification can there be for these kinds of oppressive travel conditions?  Masks?   Really?  The Canadian government treats Canadians like slaves.  

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Don't need facts to make statements

That's the story of your life - accepting statements with no supporting facts. 

Anyone with any common sense understood why your opinions weren't valued even before you admitted to that. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

See through for sure. There is no political affiliation to see.

I am right, facts that are current are worthwhile. Stale facts are just that, stake and most likely no longer valid as things change too quickly.

I make no insults, I call em as I see em. That is not insulting, that is my opinion, just like you have opinions on my take on things and voice them.

And what 'current facts' do you have that support your position that the Pflacebo is necessary or even worthwhile? 

You keep referring to these mystical 'facts' but you never trot them out. 

Is it just Fauci's opinion again? Fauci may be "science" to you, but stats are my science, and stats and Fauci are always at odds. 

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I have brought many current facts and information (and no, I will not play your you show me yours and I will show you mine game). I can call you out on your old news as you can call me out on my current info anytime. That is what debate is all about.

Where did you bring facts? 

I feel sorry for your children and anyone else who was ever in a position of having to take direction from you, because what you consider to be 'facts' is nothing more than your own unsupported beliefs. 

[WestCanMan]

9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Sitting on an Air Canada plane looking at the sad frustrated eyes of masked faces.  These people have sat in lines and had flights canceled all day, including me.  What possible justification can there be for these kinds of oppressive travel conditions?  Masks?   Really?  The Canadian government treats Canadians like slaves.  

In 2015 we didn't want Trudeau elected because we knew that he lacked wisdom, foresight, intelligence and integrity, but I never knew he could screw our country up so badly in just 7 years. This place is a catastrophe now.

The US is going the exact same way under Biden and the Dems. 

It's a not-so-gentle reminder that our democracy isn't infallible and our standard of living isn't a gift from God. There's a huge price to be paid for having weak leadership, and we're gonna be paying it for generations to come. 

[Zeitgeist]

18 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

In 2015 we didn't want Trudeau elected because we knew that he lacked wisdom, foresight, intelligence and integrity, but I never knew he could screw our country up so badly in just 7 years. This place is a catastrophe now.

The US is going the exact same way under Biden and the Dems. 

It's a not-so-gentle reminder that our democracy isn't infallible and our standard of living isn't a gift from God. There's a huge price to be paid for having weak leadership, and we're gonna be paying it for generations to come. 

Yes.  He gets away with it by stoking health and safety fear through state-funded media.  Instead of focusing on critical bread and butter issues like the cost of living and having efficient infrastructure ant travel, Trudeau plays a sick political game of making people wear masks unnecessarily and operate travel apps to enjoy basic rights.  The elderly are screwed.  Trudeau cares more about scoring political points by sharing his opinions on US, UKraine, and other external issues.  Stop throwing our money, resources, and government time at foreign issues you don’t understand, Trudeau.   Fix your economic and constitutional problems at home because they are legion.  

Edited June 25, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 Fix your economic and constitutional problems at home because they are legion.  

the political elites in Canada don't have a fix

it's all managed decline

because the economy is fuelled by exponential debt

and the constitution failed to launch when Quebec refused to sign it

[Zeitgeist]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the political elites in Canada don't have a fix

it's all managed decline

because the economy is fuelled by exponential debt

and the constitution failed to launch when Quebec refused to sign it

They need to play hardball with Quebec over anglophone minority rights and Energy East.  Time to reopen the transfer payment formula.  Chrétien and Trudeau Sr.  were sharper on Quebec.  Junior is weak…

[Dougie93]

35 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

They need to play hardball with Quebec over anglophone minority rights and Energy East.  Time to reopen the transfer payment formula.  Chrétien and Trudeau Sr.  were sharper on Quebec.  Junior is weak…

they have no leverage over Quebec

English Canada is deeply divided and entirely Americanized

it's not even Canada anymore, it's the Post National State

Quebec is the only nation in Canada

Quebec holds all the cards, Quebec has Canada over a barrel

because Canada is,  as the Americans say, a fake country for all intents & purposes

it was never designed to function without the British Empire

Canada has simply not survived the relentless onset of Americanization

but since Canada is not actually America, it's inherently dysfunctional now

I mean, if there was a war, Quebec would beat feeble Canada in a stand up fight

Canada can't even tie its own shoelaces without help from the Americans

decades of being totally reliant on the Americans have reduced Canada back to colony status

you don't even have Canadian politics, Canadian politics are American politics

Trudeau is literally running for the Democrat party, Canada is not even an afterthought

Canada is not actually the 51st state, Canada is getting frozen out of America

but Canadians don't have any other imperial master to report to, so it's a basket case

Canadians don't uphold their own Crown, Canadians don't uphold their own constitution

Post National State is the truth, but that is in fact an abyss, there's no there there

Trudeau is not the cause, Trudeau is the result of the delusional Canadian lunatic asylum

this ridiculous pathologically lying fop is the poster child, Trudeau is Canada incarnate

Edited June 25, 2022 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

they have no leverage over Quebec

English Canada is deeply divided and entirely Americanized

it's not even Canada anymore, it's the Post National State

Quebec is the only nation in Canada

Quebec holds all the cards, Quebec has Canada over a barrel

because Canada is,  as the Americans say, a fake country for all intents & purposes

it was never designed to function without the British Empire

Canada has simply not survived the relentless onset of Americanization

but since Canada is not actually America, it's inherently dysfunctional now

I mean, if there was a war, Quebec would beat feeble Canada in a stand up fight

Canada can't even tie its own shoelaces without help from the Americans

decades of being totally reliant on the Americans have reduced Canada back to colony status

you don't even have Canadian politics, Canadian politics are American politics

Trudeau is literally running for the Democrat party, Canada is not even an afterthought

I’m not sure anymore about the value of Canada as a nation state larger than the sum of its parts.   It’s interesting because even on the right there are staunch Canadian nationalists.   Conrad Black lauds Canada as one of the longest running and most peaceful and prosperous democracies.  We’re also unique as a bilingual democracy. I think post-national state is a creepy dystopian take on the melting pot.  Too totalitarian China.  Cultural mosaic is better, but it probably resists a Canadian identity that is, what?  Constitutional and polite?   Hockey and coffee?   We try to make English Canada speak French — with some success.  Quebec rejects English language rights even for federal services.  Interesting that the remaining Catholic (New France roots) publicly funded education systems are in English Canada: Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario.., French and Irish Canada rejected it (Quebec, Newfoundland, NS, New Brunswick).  The most English part of Canada, British Columbia, finds common cause with the socialist green fascists in Quebec.  The far north is like another country and totally self-determined by Indigenous (with lots of federal infrastructure funding).

Canada is largely a redistribution of wealth program from the booming southern cities to the old ethnic and rural enclaves.  The new booming Canada is woke-green to the point of self-destruction.  If anti-colonial rhetoric and cost of living get out of control, the booming cities will be de facto blue states and the rest of the country will revert to ethno-nationalist enclaves. The Trudeau government’s woke-green rhetoric and overspending seems hell bent on getting us there.  Our natural resources, educated workforce, peace, and growing cities are saving us. 

Edited June 25, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

10 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Conrad Black lauds Canada as one of the longest running and most peaceful and prosperous democracies.

Canada's peace & prosperity is entirely a product of the American hegenomy

prior to that, Canada had been fighting the Boer War, the First World War & the Second World War

and Canada was in a Depression

so if America was hostile to Canada as it had been before 1925, Canada would not be peaceful & prosperous

and actually, Canada is no longer a partner, but rather a competitor to America, aligning itself with the Chinese

thus America is becoming increasingly hostile to Canada once again, so buckle up, Commie Canada

Edited June 25, 2022 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’m not sure anymore about the value of Canada as a nation state larger than the sum of its parts. 

an archaic institution of the British Empire to keep the French in, the Americans out & the Indians down

not only is that a failed state, it's not even a noble cause by contemporary standards

the entire purpose of Canada has been rendered obsolete

[Dougie93]

39 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 a Canadian identity that is, what? 

I only have my Canadian identity

tracing back to my ancestor Jacob Smith at Halifax harbour in 1757

press ganged into the Royal Navy to fight the Seven Years War, founding the British Empire

a Scots German Empire to find a Northwest Passage to the Far East

more British than the British themselves, in the face of the American revolution

then my great grandfather, a 72nd Seaforth Highlander of Canada

a nation forged in fire on the Western Front in the Great War, from Second Ypres to Mons

and then there is me, an Orangeman of Upper Canada, 48th Highlander & RCR

Victoria Queen & Empress, Mother Canada

faithful unto Judgment Day

at the going down of the sun and in the morning, every day is remembrance day

behold, the Vimy Cross, the story of my people

Edited June 25, 2022 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

36 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

an archaic institution of the British Empire to keep the French in, the Americans out & the Indians down

not only is that a failed state, it's not even a noble cause by contemporary standards

the entire purpose of Canada has been rendered obsolete

That’s a particular viewpoint that most Canadians don’t share though.  Much of the world perceives Canada as an accepting, harmonious, and prosperous country, which is why millions want to be here and our major cities are growing fast.  The Greater Toronto Area has been adding 100,000 a year for years and even more are in the pipeline.  Trump’s rhetoric actually benefited Canada’s image as welcoming and diverse.

The problem now is that the far-left agenda has pushed America — Canada included — beyond the pale of reasonableness.  We’re losing our recipe for success through cancel culture, overspending on unproductive social programs, attacks on all institutions (country, family, science education), because anyone who is perceived as culturally dominant for good reasons or bad, is under attack from a far-left vocal segment of society that has been empowered beyond what is fair or reasonable.  The Liberals have shifted left to steal NDP support.  The Democrat radicals have bulldozed sleepy Joe who knows he’s too compromised and demented to resist.

The political centre has disappeared and, in Canada at least, the whole spectrum needs to shift right.  People have forgotten the origins of prosperity: hard work, strong values, political rights and freedoms, including free expression.

Canada is too dependent on exports to the U.S. and military protection from the US.  True.  However, we have the wealth and population to restore our defence and grow more economically independent.  It’s a matter of political will.  Many Canadians simply want a prosperous free life.  Now that freedom and prosperity are under threat in Canada, I think a political shift is necessary and inevitable.  

Edited June 25, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

32 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I only have my Canadian identity

tracing back to my ancestor Jacob Smith at Halifax harbour in 1757

press ganged into the Royal Navy to fight the Seven Years War, founding the British Empire

a Scots German Empire to find a Northwest Passage to the Far East

more British than the British themselves, in the face of the American revolution

then my great grandfather, a 72nd Seaforth Highlander of Canada

a nation forged in fire on the Western Front in the Great War, from Second Ypres to Mons

and then there is me, an Orangeman of Upper Canada, 48th Highlander & RCR

Victoria Queen & Empress, Mother Canada

faithful unto Judgment Day

at the going down of the sun and in the morning, every day is remembrance day

behold, the Vimy Cross, the story of my people

You know I love all this shit.  Battle of Queenston Heights, Vimy…

Ontario’s coat of arms: Started loyal, remains loyal.

However, a new Canada is emerging.  Will it be independent, strong and free?  Proud of its cultures and history?  Open, welcoming, productive, wise, forward looking while respecting the struggles and virtues of the past?   Or will it be a country of handouts and unquestioning sheep waiting for a government led by others (WEF, China, even America) to tell us what to do and think, without a real free press, pandering to certain ethnic groups or special interests?

We can be as strong as or stronger than Britain eventually. The potential is there.  We could also act like a colonial protectorate that wears democracy like a cheap badge that gets discarded when the going gets tough.

 

Edited June 25, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

That’s a particular viewpoint that most Canadians don’t share though.  Much of the world perceives Canada as an accepting, harmonious, and prosperous country, which is why millions want to be here and our major cities are growing fast.  The Greater Toronto Area has been adding 100,000 a year for years and even more are in the pipeline.  Trump’s rhetoric actually benefited Canada’s image as welcoming and diverse.

again, that is all the American Hegenomy

the immigrants are coming to America in their minds, they don't really make much distinction

only Canadians can tell the difference between Americans & Canadians, the rest of the world doesn't see it

[Zeitgeist]

13 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

again, that is all the American Hegenomy

the immigrants are coming to America in their minds, they don't really make much distinction

only Canadians can tell the difference between Americans & Canadians, the rest of the world doesn't see it

I don’t really disagree.  I’m not sure most Canadians see a distinction, which is why US narratives drive a lot of current Canadian federal policy on firearms, wokism, etc. We’re not paying lower American tax levels and fuel prices though.  We won’t allow our resource sector to thrive because we’re so on board with international climate and other narratives, including Biden’s.  We need our government to stand up for Canadian interests.  If human-made climate change is really something important that we can actually impact through affordable policy, great. The carbon tax scheme and regulatory environment isn’t working for Canada, a country that would actually be a net beneficiary of climate change anyway as more land becomes arable and northern ports become viable. Trudeau doesn’t understand or defend Canadian interests.  It’s all about looking good among the Davos elites.  

Edited June 25, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You know I love all this shit.

Regiment, Corps, Commander-in-Chief

the brothers to the left & right of you

last of the Hanoverians

warrior poets

[Dougie93]

16 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

We need our government to stand up for Canadian interests.

but the government is standing up for Canadian interests

keep the French in, Quebec is encouraged to do as it pleases to appease them

keep the Americans out, the government fosters knee jerk anti-American hysteria at all times

keep the Indians down, the government does everything it can to keep them under the thumb of the Indian Act

mission accomplished, by the terms of Confederation 1867

[Zeitgeist]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

but the government is standing up for Canadian interests

keep the French in, Quebec is encouraged to do as it pleases to appease them

keep the Americans out, the government fosters knee jerk anti-American hysteria at all times

keep the Indians down, the government does everything it can to keep them under the thumb of the Indian Act

mission accomplished, by the terms of Confederation 1867

Fck the Indian Act.  I like the Americans and it’s a toss now as to whether my province is better off under the Yanks or the government of Canada.  Probably best off on its own.  Ontario is the giving tree.  

[Dougie93]

38 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

  Probably best off on its own.  Ontario is the giving tree.  

Ontario's fate is entirely at the mercy of the Americans

88% of Ontario's exports are manufactured goods, 11% resources

80% of Ontario's exports are to the United States, accounting for 40% of all Canadian exports

the highest valued being motor vehicles & gold, accounting for 28% of total exports

hence why Doug Ford went tyrannical, soon as the Truckers blocked the Ambassador Bridge

when the inflationary debt crisis worsens however, might not be so easy to clear the barricades

everybody knows now, how easy it is to take Canada hostage, just have to block one bridge in fact

if you could hold it for even just a couple weeks, the Canadian market & currency could free fall

Canada is a house of cards, even a mild insurgency will bring Canada to its knees

because contrary to popular sentiment, Canada is highly unstable, and always has been

Edited June 25, 2022 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

21 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Ontario's fate is entirely at the mercy of the Americans

88% of Ontario's exports are manufactured goods, 11% resources

80% of Ontario's exports are to the United States, accounting for 40% of all Canadian exports

the highest valued being motor vehicles & gold, accounting for 28% of total exports

hence why Doug Ford went tyrannical, soon as the Truckers blocked the Ambassador Bridge

when the inflationary debt crisis worsens however, might not be so easy to clear the barricades

everybody knows now, how easy it is to take Canada hostage, just have to block one bridge in fact

if you could hold it for even just a couple weeks, the Canadian market & currency could free fall

Canada is a house of cards, even a mild insurgency will bring Canada to its knees

because contrary to popular sentiment, Canada is highly unstable, and always has been

That “blockade” was overblown.  A lane was opened early on in the protest.  All of this could’ve been averted, including the occupation in Ottawa and certainly the Emergencies Act, if Trudeau had the balls to meet with protest organizers and hammer out a reasonable compromise, as Harper and Chrétien would’ve done.  Failed leadership.  

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

That “blockade” was overblown. 

because it is the third rail

the protesters touched Canada where it hurts

doesn't take much of that at all, to incite hysterical panic in inherently unstable & dependent Canada