Trump and his supporters supporting the NRA and gun lobby total madness.

[Aristides]

I'll ask one more time. Why are Senate Republicans stopping a vote on HR8 which is intended to correct shortcomings in the current federal background checks?

The US has 45K firearms related deaths and 36K traffic  fatalities every year

Canada has about 800 firearms related deaths and  about 1,800 traffic fatalities yet there are some fools in Canada who think we should copy the US. 

Edited May 30, 2022 by Aristides

[Aristides]

On 5/27/2022 at 3:31 PM, Faramir said:

Canada doesn't have truly conservative towns.  At best the most conservative canadian is just right of Mitt Romney.

The current Republican (Trump) party gives conservatives a bad name.

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, Aristides said:

The current Republican (Trump) party gives conservatives a bad name.

Tsk tsk tsk...another TDS victim. 

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Tsk tsk tsk...another TDS victim. 

I don’t have Trudeau Dementia Syndrome

[Robert Salyers]

On 5/27/2022 at 12:55 PM, blackbird said:

It is shameful that the NRA is holding it's convention in Texas a few days after the massacre of 19 children and 2 teachers at the school in Uvalde, Texas.  And it is equally deplorable that Trump is scheduled to make an appearance at the NRA convention.  Many Americans still don't get it that the widespread number of guns and the easy availability of assault rifles is killing countless Americans.  The 18 year old suspect that killed all the children and teachers could not go into a bar to buy liquor, but he could easily go into a gun shop and buy two AR-15 assault rifles and ammunition.  Madness.  Americans reportedly own 900 million guns in the population of 337 million people.  Total insanity.

whats wrong with supporting the nra ? Yes the kid told people 4 years ago he was going to shoot up a school when he turned 18 and the police and court system did nothing . He has  history of being bullied because of a speech impediment and the school, did nothing . He had a history of mental issues and his family did nothing .  He posted on social media and nothing was done. If the school doors had been locked he wold of been delayed  till the police got there .

Stop blaming the gun its like blaming your pencil because you failed your math test.No we do not own 900 million guns that a lie closer to 300 million to 400 million and  some  of those date back to the 1800 

whats wrong with trump appearing at a convention is that illegal ?

[Robert Salyers]

On 5/30/2022 at 8:14 PM, Aristides said:

The current Republican (Trump) party gives conservatives a bad name.

Yea and joe biden and pelosi give the democrats a great name lol moron and pin head

[Infidel Dog]

Also, weren't the TDSers all the time telling us Trump wasn't a Conservative? Except when it's convenient to think of him as one, I guess. 

Prog logic.

[Infidel Dog]

On 5/30/2022 at 4:55 PM, Aristides said:

I'll ask one more time. Why are Senate Republicans stopping a vote on HR8 which is intended to correct shortcomings in the current federal background checks?

As I understand it they're fine with well administered red flag laws but they worry the bill as it stands could be a path to federal gun registration.

https://www.quora.com/Why-isnt-HR-8-being-voted-on-by-the-Senate-one-way-or-the-other-after-it-was-sent-there-by-the-House-in-February?share=1

Edited June 1, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Robert Salyers said:

whats wrong with supporting the nra ? Yes the kid told people 4 years ago he was going to shoot up a school when he turned 18 and the police and court system did nothing . He has  history of being bullied because of a speech impediment and the school, did nothing . He had a history of mental issues and his family did nothing .  He posted on social media and nothing was done. If the school doors had been locked he wold of been delayed  till the police got there .

Stop blaming the gun its like blaming your pencil because you failed your math test.No we do not own 900 million guns that a lie closer to 300 million to 400 million and  some  of those date back to the 1800 

whats wrong with trump appearing at a convention is that illegal ?

• Author

Posted Monday at 11:20 AM (edited)

  On 5/30/2022 at 11:08 AM, Infidel Dog said:

Don't then but I'd say preparedness is one possible solution when all others don't work.

But as to this:

Do you realize you're arguing against yourself? Those guys represent the protection you've got. Those were the local police. Not much were they? The same thing happened in Parkland.

Remember Parkland's 'Officer Smugly' or whatever he was called on every liberal talk show for weeks then it turned out his incompetence and his officer's cowardice was a major part of the death count. He got fired. Hope they're better prepared now because, yeah, preparedness is an obvious reaction when nothing else works.

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You're not thinking rationally at all.  Just firing from the hip so to speak like the wild west gun slingers in the cowboy movies.   Wake up!   Something like 20,000 innocent Americans are killed per year by guns and tens of thousand more wounded.  The rare case where someone is able to defend themselves with a gun in no way justifies allowing 20,000 innocent people to be murdered every year.  That is the problem in a nutshell.  Guns need to be removed from most American hands and only made available to hunters and such under strict controls and conditions.  The present system is not working and you should be concerned about the enormous senseless loss of life. 

The chart at this website shows the actual numbers:

Firearm Deaths, All Ages: 1999-2016
	Suicides		Homicides		Unintentional		Legal Intervention		Undetermined Intent
Year	% of Total Firearm Deaths for Year*		% of Total Firearm Deaths for Year		% of Total Firearm Deaths for Year		% of Total Firearm Deaths for Year		% of Total Firearm Deaths for Year		Total
1999	16,599 57.5%		10,828 37.5%		824 2.9%		299 1.0%		324 1.1%		28,874
2000	16,586 57.9%		10,801 37.7%		776 2.8%		270 0.9%		230 0.8%		28,663
2001	16,869 57.0%		11,348 38.4%		802 2.7%		323 1.1%		231 0.8%		29,573
2002	17,108 56.6%		11,829 39.1%		762 2.5%		300 1.0%		243 0.8%		30,242
2003	16,907 56.1%		11,920 39.6%		730 2.4%		347 1.2%		232 0.8%		30,136
2004	16,750 56.6%		11,624 39.3%		649 2.2%		311 1.1%		235 0.8%		29,569
2005	17,002 55.4%		12,352 40.2%		789 2.6%		330 1.1%		221 0.7%		30,694
2006	16,883 54.6%		12,791 41.4%		642 2.1%		360 1.2%		220 0.7%		30,896
2007	17,352 55.6%		12,632 40.5%		613 2.0%		351 1.1%		276 0.9%		31,224
2008	18,223 57.7%		12,179 38.5%		592 1.9%		326 1.0%		273 0.9%		31,593
2009	18,735 59.8%		11,493 36.7%		554 1.8%		333 1.1%		232 0.7%		31,347
2010	19,392 61.2%		11,078 35.0%		606 1.9%		344 1.1%		252 0.8%		31,672
2011	19,990 62.0%		11,068 34.2%		591 1.8%		454 1.4%		248 0.8%		32,351
2012	20,666 61.6%		11,622 34.6%		548 1.6%		471 1.4%		256 0.8%		33,563
2013	21,175 63.0%		11,208 32.8%		505 1.5%		467 1.4%		281 0.8%		33,636
2014	21,386 63.7%		11,008 32.6%		461 1.4%		464 1.4%		275 0.8%		33,594
2015	22,018 60.7%		12,979 35.8%		489 1.3%		484 1.3%		282 0.8%		36,252
2016	22,938 59.3%		14,415 37.3%		495 1.3%		510 1.3%		300 0.8%		38,658
Total	336,579 58.8%		213,175 37.2%		11,428 2.0%		6,744 1.2%		4,611 0.8%		572,537
Average Per Year	18,699		11,843		635		375		256		31,808

 

I got the figure of 900 millions guns from some website but it is likely incorrect.  Another website says 339 million guns are owned by Americans.  That sounds more accurate.  But that is still a massive number of guns.  The population is only 335 million.  The problem is a gun mentality.  It is the wild west continuing.   The number of people murdered every years is staggering.  97% of people murdered every year are criminal in nature and suicide.  Only 1.2% of the deaths are legal intervention.  So the gun culture is illegally killing approximately 20,000 Americans per year illegally.  Nobody in their right mind could justify that under some kind "right to bear arms".  That is total and complete insanity to my way of thinking.  Anybody who believes that is ok needs to get counselling help.  America is the only country in the world with that number of guns per capita population.  Sadly I don't see it changing.  Large numbers of people will continue to shoot other Americans.  America is a sick society.  It is time to admit it.

US Gun Deaths by Year - Gun Control - ProCon.org

 

[Infidel Dog]

53 minutes ago, blackbird said:

• Author

Posted Monday at 11:20 AM (edited)

  On 5/30/2022 at 11:08 AM, Infidel Dog said:

Don't then but I'd say preparedness is one possible solution when all others don't work.

But as to this:

Do you realize you're arguing against yourself? Those guys represent the protection you've got. Those were the local police. Not much were they? The same thing happened in Parkland.

Remember Parkland's 'Officer Smugly' or whatever he was called on every liberal talk show for weeks then it turned out his incompetence and his officer's cowardice was a major part of the death count. He got fired. Hope they're better prepared now because, yeah, preparedness is an obvious reaction when nothing else works.

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You're not thinking rationally at all.  Just firing from the hip so to speak like the wild west gun slingers in the cowboy movies.   Wake up!   Something like 20,000 innocent Americans are killed per year by guns and tens of thousand more wounded.  The rare case where someone is able to defend themselves with a gun in no way justifies allowing 20,000 innocent people to be murdered every year.  That is the problem in a nutshell.  Guns need to be removed from most American hands and only made available to hunters and such under strict controls and conditions.  The present system is not working and you should be concerned about the enormous senseless loss of life. 

The chart at this website shows the actual numbers:

Firearm Deaths, All Ages: 1999-2016
	Suicides		Homicides		Unintentional		Legal Intervention		Undetermined Intent
Year	% of Total Firearm Deaths for Year*		% of Total Firearm Deaths for Year		% of Total Firearm Deaths for Year		% of Total Firearm Deaths for Year		% of Total Firearm Deaths for Year		Total
1999	16,599 57.5%		10,828 37.5%		824 2.9%		299 1.0%		324 1.1%		28,874
2000	16,586 57.9%		10,801 37.7%		776 2.8%		270 0.9%		230 0.8%		28,663
2001	16,869 57.0%		11,348 38.4%		802 2.7%		323 1.1%		231 0.8%		29,573
2002	17,108 56.6%		11,829 39.1%		762 2.5%		300 1.0%		243 0.8%		30,242
2003	16,907 56.1%		11,920 39.6%		730 2.4%		347 1.2%		232 0.8%		30,136
2004	16,750 56.6%		11,624 39.3%		649 2.2%		311 1.1%		235 0.8%		29,569
2005	17,002 55.4%		12,352 40.2%		789 2.6%		330 1.1%		221 0.7%		30,694
2006	16,883 54.6%		12,791 41.4%		642 2.1%		360 1.2%		220 0.7%		30,896
2007	17,352 55.6%		12,632 40.5%		613 2.0%		351 1.1%		276 0.9%		31,224
2008	18,223 57.7%		12,179 38.5%		592 1.9%		326 1.0%		273 0.9%		31,593
2009	18,735 59.8%		11,493 36.7%		554 1.8%		333 1.1%		232 0.7%		31,347
2010	19,392 61.2%		11,078 35.0%		606 1.9%		344 1.1%		252 0.8%		31,672
2011	19,990 62.0%		11,068 34.2%		591 1.8%		454 1.4%		248 0.8%		32,351
2012	20,666 61.6%		11,622 34.6%		548 1.6%		471 1.4%		256 0.8%		33,563
2013	21,175 63.0%		11,208 32.8%		505 1.5%		467 1.4%		281 0.8%		33,636
2014	21,386 63.7%		11,008 32.6%		461 1.4%		464 1.4%		275 0.8%		33,594
2015	22,018 60.7%		12,979 35.8%		489 1.3%		484 1.3%		282 0.8%		36,252
2016	22,938 59.3%		14,415 37.3%		495 1.3%		510 1.3%		300 0.8%		38,658
Total	336,579 58.8%		213,175 37.2%		11,428 2.0%		6,744 1.2%		4,611 0.8%		572,537
Average Per Year	18,699		11,843		635		375		256		31,808

 

I got the figure of 900 millions guns from some website but it is likely incorrect.  Another website says 339 million guns are owned by Americans.  That sounds more accurate.  But that is still a massive number of guns.  The population is only 335 million.  The problem is a gun mentality.  It is the wild west continuing.   The number of people murdered every years is staggering.  97% of people murdered every year are criminal in nature and suicide.  Only 1.2% of the deaths are legal intervention.  So the gun culture is illegally killing approximately 20,000 Americans per year illegally.  Nobody in their right mind could justify that under some kind "right to bear arms".  That is total and complete insanity to my way of thinking.  Anybody who believes that is ok needs to get counselling help.  America is the only country in the world with that number of guns per capita population.  Sadly I don't see it changing.  Large numbers of people will continue to shoot other Americans.  America is a sick society.  It is time to admit it.

US Gun Deaths by Year - Gun Control - ProCon.org

 

See here's the problem: you want all the guns but you don't want to tell us how you're going to get them.

Why is that? I'd say:

a) because you don't know - too many, it's an impossible task. 

b) totalitarian - starts with federal registration leads to the 3 o'clock knock on the door to be effective. Without a slippery slope leading to complete authoritarian rule on all levels it doesn't work. We tried it in Canada. Didn't work.

C) You've forgotten what you guys say on other issues - look for root causes. Guns aren't the root cause. They can't pull their own trigger.

But go ahead give a D) as to why you don't want to tell us how you plan to grab all the guns. I'd be surprised if you could. 

Because if you can't grab all the guns stop talking like you can as an easy solution.

Edited June 1, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

BTW I continue to be baffled by the way you and yours play with definitions.

What you call "Rationality" seems to depend on whether one agrees or disagrees with nutty "Prog Logic."

I'll give you an example. You want to build your argument on a foundation of "Boo Hoo 20,000 innocents" then later it becomes convenient for you reimagine the consequences of your stat by telling us "97% of people murdered every year are criminal in nature and suicide."

Now myself when I think of the gang wars in the "Progressive" run municipalities of say Chicago, Baltimore or St. Louis "Innocents" is not the word that screams out to me. Then I remember how suicides sky rocketed during the Prog-adored lockdowns and mandates of the pandemic and were rising even before that as Progressives gained more societal power I'm no longer sure it's true innocents that are being killed and even it is I can point a different finger than guns at what you and yours used to call "root causes" when it was convenient to avoid obvious causes that didn't jive with the Prog narrative.

Edited June 1, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[WestCanMan]

On 5/27/2022 at 3:15 PM, Aristides said:

Are those falling people being pushed? Do you think all these dead kids were an accident?

An accident like the car crash in Waukesha that killed 6 people and injured 40 others? 

Did you learn your lesson about gun deaths from my reply to your laughable post the other day or are you still in the dark about what the number of gun deaths actually means? 

[Robert Salyers]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

• Author

•  

Posted Monday at 11:20 AM (edited)

  On 5/30/2022 at 11:08 AM, Infidel Dog said:

Don't then but I'd say preparedness is one possible solution when all others don't work.

But as to this:

Do you realize you're arguing against yourself? Those guys represent the protection you've got. Those were the local police. Not much were they? The same thing happened in Parkland.

Remember Parkland's 'Officer Smugly' or whatever he was called on every liberal talk show for weeks then it turned out his incompetence and his officer's cowardice was a major part of the death count. He got fired. Hope they're better prepared now because, yeah, preparedness is an obvious reaction when nothing else works.

Expand  

You're not thinking rationally at all.  Just firing from the hip so to speak like the wild west gun slingers in the cowboy movies.   Wake up!   Something like 20,000 innocent Americans are killed per year by guns and tens of thousand more wounded.  The rare case where someone is able to defend themselves with a gun in no way justifies allowing 20,000 innocent people to be murdered every year.  That is the problem in a nutshell.  Guns need to be removed from most American hands and only made available to hunters and such under strict controls and conditions.  The present system is not working and you should be concerned about the enormous senseless loss of life. 

The chart at this website shows the actual numbers:

Firearm Deaths, All Ages: 1999-2016
	Suicides		Homicides		Unintentional		Legal Intervention		Undetermined Intent
Year	% of Total Firearm Deaths for Year*		% of Total Firearm Deaths for Year		% of Total Firearm Deaths for Year		% of Total Firearm Deaths for Year		% of Total Firearm Deaths for Year		Total
1999	16,599 57.5%		10,828 37.5%		824 2.9%		299 1.0%		324 1.1%		28,874
2000	16,586 57.9%		10,801 37.7%		776 2.8%		270 0.9%		230 0.8%		28,663
2001	16,869 57.0%		11,348 38.4%		802 2.7%		323 1.1%		231 0.8%		29,573
2002	17,108 56.6%		11,829 39.1%		762 2.5%		300 1.0%		243 0.8%		30,242
2003	16,907 56.1%		11,920 39.6%		730 2.4%		347 1.2%		232 0.8%		30,136
2004	16,750 56.6%		11,624 39.3%		649 2.2%		311 1.1%		235 0.8%		29,569
2005	17,002 55.4%		12,352 40.2%		789 2.6%		330 1.1%		221 0.7%		30,694
2006	16,883 54.6%		12,791 41.4%		642 2.1%		360 1.2%		220 0.7%		30,896
2007	17,352 55.6%		12,632 40.5%		613 2.0%		351 1.1%		276 0.9%		31,224
2008	18,223 57.7%		12,179 38.5%		592 1.9%		326 1.0%		273 0.9%		31,593
2009	18,735 59.8%		11,493 36.7%		554 1.8%		333 1.1%		232 0.7%		31,347
2010	19,392 61.2%		11,078 35.0%		606 1.9%		344 1.1%		252 0.8%		31,672
2011	19,990 62.0%		11,068 34.2%		591 1.8%		454 1.4%		248 0.8%		32,351
2012	20,666 61.6%		11,622 34.6%		548 1.6%		471 1.4%		256 0.8%		33,563
2013	21,175 63.0%		11,208 32.8%		505 1.5%		467 1.4%		281 0.8%		33,636
2014	21,386 63.7%		11,008 32.6%		461 1.4%		464 1.4%		275 0.8%		33,594
2015	22,018 60.7%		12,979 35.8%		489 1.3%		484 1.3%		282 0.8%		36,252
2016	22,938 59.3%		14,415 37.3%		495 1.3%		510 1.3%		300 0.8%		38,658
Total	336,579 58.8%		213,175 37.2%		11,428 2.0%		6,744 1.2%		4,611 0.8%		572,537
Average Per Year	18,699		11,843		635		375		256		31,808

 

I got the figure of 900 millions guns from some website but it is likely incorrect.  Another website says 339 million guns are owned by Americans.  That sounds more accurate.  But that is still a massive number of guns.  The population is only 335 million.  The problem is a gun mentality.  It is the wild west continuing.   The number of people murdered every years is staggering.  97% of people murdered every year are criminal in nature and suicide.  Only 1.2% of the deaths are legal intervention.  So the gun culture is illegally killing approximately 20,000 Americans per year illegally.  Nobody in their right mind could justify that under some kind "right to bear arms".  That is total and complete insanity to my way of thinking.  Anybody who believes that is ok needs to get counselling help.  America is the only country in the world with that number of guns per capita population.  Sadly I don't see it changing.  Large numbers of people will continue to shoot other Americans.  America is a sick society.  It is time to admit it.

US Gun Deaths by Year - Gun Control - ProCon.org

 

small towns just don't have the funds and man power to properly train the police dept . Funds for training and seminars is limited .And finding a boss and  who has had the experience and training to handle such events is not easy for the pay they get especially in small towns where you have a very limited pool of possible employees.

[Robert Salyers]

On 5/27/2022 at 12:55 PM, blackbird said:

It is shameful that the NRA is holding it's convention in Texas a few days after the massacre of 19 children and 2 teachers at the school in Uvalde, Texas.  And it is equally deplorable that Trump is scheduled to make an appearance at the NRA convention.  Many Americans still don't get it that the widespread number of guns and the easy availability of assault rifles is killing countless Americans.  The 18 year old suspect that killed all the children and teachers could not go into a bar to buy liquor, but he could easily go into a gun shop and buy two AR-15 assault rifles and ammunition.  Madness.  Americans reportedly own 900 million guns in the population of 337 million people.  Total insanity.

Liberals support blm and the crimes they commited and billions of damages clearly they are the beasts 

[West]

For all those yelling about Trump, just know the current occupier of the white house, sleepy Joe Biden, got his son off on what should've been a ten year jail sentence for lying on a background check form when purchasing a handgun