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Attention Pierre:

 

In due time, you will be debating Jagmeet Singh and Justin Trudeau. It is with a high degree of certainly that I predict that they will call you a racist and make claims that Canada is a racist country plauged by Nazis and " systemic racism".  Why? No legitimate reason, it is just their modis operandi to divide the people.

 

In preparation for this reality during the federal debaes, you should start researching the claim of system racism  in Canada. Here are some starting points.

 

Incarceration rates.

Asians make up approximately 20% of the nation's population yet represent about 6% of the incarceration rate.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_Canada#:~:text=the total population.-,In 2018-2019%2C the offender population included Caucasians at 54.2,overall Asian population at 17.7%

 

If White Canadians are over 50% of the incarceration rate, it does not seem they are escaping justice or benefitting from any racial bias.  If the question is are those incarcerated treated fairly with sentencing and being the subject of investigation then the government needs to release the race based data on why the incarcerated are there, what crimes. However,  no politician or media outlook will ask for this data to be released because it will eviscerate the " systemic racism " theory.

This would reasonably disprove any claim that systemic forces work against non-whites. This statistic demonstrably reveals that behaviour, not race, determines incarceration.  It further contradicts the theory that there are  biases working to oppress and marginalize people based on race. You can ask Jagmeet and Justin to explain how systemic racism can exist without impacting Asians. 

Employment Data.

In examining third generation immigrants,  which accounts for variables that a group total would not, the data shows that the top earning males are non-whites and the white females are in the lower half of the income averages and are outperformed by almost every other group. 

 Any claim of systemic racism in employment cannot provide a logical defense to the data that shows whites earn either in the middle or bottom half of Canadian averages. You can ask your two counterparts to explain how a system designed to " keep whites in power and favour Whites " produces results that reflect meritocracy and effort,  not race determine income earnings.

 

Nazis and white supremacist organizations.

 

 

Singh and Trudeau will likely allege that people who oppose them are racists. They have claimed that these alleges Nazi groups represent a great threat to Canada and to democracy yet have never provided any examples of a Nazi group or racist,  white organization being responsible for a single violent crime this century. 

 

They will not have a response to the fact that 59 of 62 acts of terror have been committed by two groups: Al Quaeda and ISIS. 

https://www.intrepidpodcast.com/blog/2021/6/24/counting-terrorism-charges-and-prosecutions-in-canada-part-2

 

You would want to ask Singh and Trudeau which racist, white organization in Canada has sponsored/authorized/ordered any racist,  terror act.

 

At some point, you should ask those who claim Canada in 2022 is racist to name a single law that is racist.  You should also advise them that there are federal laws and Provincial laws protecting people from discrimination. 

 

Good luck! Please be the one who defends Canadians from the ugly and false accusations that we are racist and our country is inherently and systemically evil.

 

 

 

Douglas J.

 

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1 hour ago, Bill67 said:

Good luck! Please be the one who defends Canadians from the ugly and false accusations that we are racist and our country is inherently and systemically evil.

I'm hoping to find something in between that and the ones who believe our PM is the Führer.

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2 hours ago, Bill67 said:

They will not have a response to the fact that 59 of 62 acts of terror have been committed by two groups: Al Quaeda and ISIS.

I am afraid, none of the statistics you presented conclusively proves anything.

Asian incarceration rates.......what if those 6% were all innocent and you had another 20% of whites who were guilty but escaped justice because they were white?   Assuming that the incarceration rates, or crime rates should match the percentage representation of one group in society may be a mistake.  

Acts of terror? Same thing.  They pinned the word "terrorist" on perpetrators of Arabic origin only.   All acts of terror done by whites or blacks or asians are never terrorism.  They are either acts of mentally disturbed individuals (suggesting medical reasons) or actions of war (in the cases terrorists are actually government officials)

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On 5/14/2022 at 6:00 PM, Michael Hardner said:

Agreed.  I won't let toxic ideology persist, so you have to 'destroy' me to shut me up just like Great American suggested.

 

Looks like more Black privilege was on display in Buffalo NY today as ten were murdered in a black neighbourhood mass shooting.

 

Man, they sure do get all the attention...

 

7 hours ago, cougar said:

I am afraid, none of the statistics you presented conclusively proves anything.

Asian incarceration rates.......what if those 6% were all innocent and you had another 20% of whites who were guilty but escaped justice because ...

This comment is void of reason. Terror is not arbitrarily applied. See Saad.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8143311/isis-supporter-pleads-guilty-to-killing-toronto-woman-with-hammer/

 

 

As for your hypothetical incarceration situations,  that makes no sense. The point is that the claim that there is systemic racism in Canada because Black people are overrepresented as they are 7% of the Incarceration rate yet are 4% of the population is not supported when we look at other group.  You do not have a base in statistics or general logic to engage in an intelligent debate.

 

A reasonable argument is not set in hypothetical about innocent people incarcerated without any facts to support anything you are suggesting.  

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The leaders of the other parties are far more likely to point out Mr. Poilievre's two weak points.

First, he is not a racist, he is a moron. Firing the BofC governor and promoting crypto-currency etc.

Second, they will happily point out all his flip-flops because he has no intention of campaigning for the Federal election on the same platform he campaigned on to win the leadership. Mr. O'Toole walked into that trap. Mr. Poilievre is sprinting full bore into it. Either that or he is an NDP plant tasked with destroying the CPC.

Mr. Poilievre isn't a bad man but he is behaving in a manner that illustrates voters' view that politicians will say anything to get elected even though they don't believe what they are saying themselves. 

To be clear, I do not believe he is actually a moron, but he is behaving like one. It is an insult to voters. He really under estimates the intelligence of the electorate.

Mr. Singh will be measuring the drapes in Stornaway if Mr. Poilievre wins the leadership.

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12 hours ago, Bill67 said:

Attention Pierre:

 

In due time, you will be debating Jagmeet Singh and Justin Trudeau. It is with a high degree of certainly that I predict that they will call you a racist and make claims that Canada is a racist country plauged by Nazis and " systemic racism".  Why? No legitimate reason, it is just their modis operandi to divide the people.

 

In preparation for this reality during the federal debaes, you should start researching the claim of system racism  in Canada. Here are some starting points.

 

Incarceration rates.

Asians make up approximately 20% of the nation's population yet represent about 6% of the incarceration rate.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_Canada#:~:text=the total population.-,In 2018-2019%2C the offender population included Caucasians at 54.2,overall Asian population at 17.7%

 

If White Canadians are over 50% of the incarceration rate, it does not seem they are escaping justice or benefitting from any racial bias.  If the question is are those incarcerated treated fairly with sentencing and being the subject of investigation then the government needs to release the race based data on why the incarcerated are there, what crimes. However,  no politician or media outlook will ask for this data to be released because it will eviscerate the " systemic racism " theory.

This would reasonably disprove any claim that systemic forces work against non-whites. This statistic demonstrably reveals that behaviour, not race, determines incarceration.  It further contradicts the theory that there are  biases working to oppress and marginalize people based on race. You can ask Jagmeet and Justin to explain how systemic racism can exist without impacting Asians. 

Employment Data.

In examining third generation immigrants,  which accounts for variables that a group total would not, the data shows that the top earning males are non-whites and the white females are in the lower half of the income averages and are outperformed by almost every other group. 

 Any claim of systemic racism in employment cannot provide a logical defense to the data that shows whites earn either in the middle or bottom half of Canadian averages. You can ask your two counterparts to explain how a system designed to " keep whites in power and favour Whites " produces results that reflect meritocracy and effort,  not race determine income earnings.

 

Nazis and white supremacist organizations.

 

 

Singh and Trudeau will likely allege that people who oppose them are racists. They have claimed that these alleges Nazi groups represent a great threat to Canada and to democracy yet have never provided any examples of a Nazi group or racist,  white organization being responsible for a single violent crime this century. 

 

They will not have a response to the fact that 59 of 62 acts of terror have been committed by two groups: Al Quaeda and ISIS. 

https://www.intrepidpodcast.com/blog/2021/6/24/counting-terrorism-charges-and-prosecutions-in-canada-part-2

 

You would want to ask Singh and Trudeau which racist, white organization in Canada has sponsored/authorized/ordered any racist,  terror act.

 

At some point, you should ask those who claim Canada in 2022 is racist to name a single law that is racist.  You should also advise them that there are federal laws and Provincial laws protecting people from discrimination. 

 

Good luck! Please be the one who defends Canadians from the ugly and false accusations that we are racist and our country is inherently and systemically evil.

 

 

 

Douglas J.

 

Yes when you realize the bellowing of "racism" by the blackface wearing, minority oppressing, groping scumbag prime minister Justin Trudeau is all a political ploy the numbers make sense

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52 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The leaders of the other parties are far more likely to point out Mr. Poilievre's two weak points.

First, he is not a racist, he is a moron. Firing the BofC governor and promoting crypto-currency etc.

Second, they will happily point out all his flip-flops because he has no intention of campaigning for the Federal election on the same platform he campaigned on to win the leadership. Mr. O'Toole walked into that trap. Mr. Poilievre is sprinting full bore into it. Either that or he is an NDP plant tasked with destroying the CPC.

Mr. Poilievre isn't a bad man but he is behaving in a manner that illustrates voters' view that politicians will say anything to get elected even though they don't believe what they are saying themselves. 

To be clear, I do not believe he is actually a moron, but he is behaving like one. It is an insult to voters. He really under estimates the intelligence of the electorate.

Mr. Singh will be measuring the drapes in Stornaway if Mr. Poilievre wins the leadership.

Did you watch Peterson’s interview with Polievre?  I saw him speak at a CPC meet and greet.  All the leadership candidates spoke.  Polievre had almost as much to say in 6 minutes as all the other candidates combined.  He’s smart, knows current issues, and seems sincere.

He may be just what the country needs. The young seem to be taking an interest.  Trudeau has had ample time to impact policy and he’ll get three more years, as disastrous as I think he’s been for the country.  

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1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Trudeau has had ample time to impact policy and he’ll get three more years,

You are an optimist. If Mr. Poilievre wins the leadership, Prime Minister Trudeau will get seven more years, unless Mr. Singh can generate more support than I expect. 

Mr. Poilievre has been given bad advice and should we anticipate his choice in advisors will suddenly get better before summer?

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

He’s smart, knows current issues, and seems sincere.

That is not enough to overcome pushing really unpopular policy choices. When the electorate wants policy A and you say they should be choosing policy B, the voters will vote for the candidate promising policy A. 

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There is a small fringe of the CPC that still cling to the reform stuff of Manning and Bernier. They are the anchor that is holding the Conservative party down and giving the grits a free ride. Cut them loose to win back the Progressive Conservatives...or the CPC can go occupy a half dozen seats in the back corner with the Greens.

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2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You are an optimist. If Mr. Poilievre wins the leadership, Prime Minister Trudeau will get seven more years, unless Mr. Singh can generate more support than I expect. 

Mr. Poilievre has been given bad advice and should we anticipate his choice in advisors will suddenly get better before summer?

That is not enough to overcome pushing really unpopular policy choices. When the electorate wants policy A and you say they should be choosing policy B, the voters will vote for the candidate promising policy A. 

No.  Enough insane totalitarian controls and wasteful inflationary spending from this government, which seems hellbent on destroying our democracy, economy, and meritocracy.  Worst PM ever.  

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2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

There is a small fringe of the CPC that still cling to the reform stuff of Manning and Bernier. They are the anchor that is holding the Conservative party down and giving the grits a free ride. Cut them loose to win back the Progressive Conservatives...or the CPC can go occupy a half dozen seats in the back corner with the Greens.

You don’t get it.  The last thing we need is a second Liberal Party, which is what you keep pushing.  

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9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You don’t get it.  The last thing we need is a second Liberal Party, which is what you keep pushing.  

No, the last thing we need is to degrade the CPC by allienating all of the Progressive Conservatives and leaving a reform rump to sit in the corner with 4th party status, provided there are enough members to qualify as a party in Parliament.

Your version of conservative is about as reasonable to Canadians as my desire to see the Monarchy restored to it's former position under Charles II. ?

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2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

No, the last thing we need is to degrade the CPC by allienating all of the Progressive Conservatives and leaving a reform rump to sit in the corner with 4th party status, provided there are enough members to qualify as a party in Parliament.

Your version of conservative is about as reasonable to Canadians as my desire to see the Monarchy restored to it's former position under Charles II. ?

There’s nothing extreme about Polievre or his platform.  It’s pretty much the recipe we need to restore the energy sector, lower prices, and affirm constitutional rights.   

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2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

restore the energy sector, lower prices, and affirm constitutional rights.   

1. Nuclear Power - prosperity for both western and eastern Canada

2. Lower prices? you mean forcing price controls? talk about socialism.

3. constitutional rights are already secure

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1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

1. Nuclear Power - prosperity for both western and eastern Canada

2. Lower prices? you mean forcing price controls? talk about socialism.

3. constitutional rights are already secure

1.  He supports that.

2.  No price controls.  He’ll remove carbon taxes and eliminate inflationary government overspending.

3. No they are not and they continue to be violated.  

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21 hours ago, cougar said:

Asian incarceration rates.......what if those 6% were all innocent and you had another 20% of whites who were guilty but escaped justice because they were white?   Assuming that the incarceration rates, or crime rates should match the percentage representation of one group in society may be a mistake.

You're correct.  Asian incarceration rates may be disproportionately lower than other races because of other factors, and racism against them could still exist.

What i'd like to know is why is this kind of logic is completely ignored when many people look at the fact that ie: blacks and indigenous people are disproportionately represented in our jails?  Could other factors be involved?  Such as behaviour?  Economics?

This is not to say our justice system isn't racist.  It is to say, as you say, that a group being disproportionately represented is not in itself any kind of proof of that because other possible variables have not been considered and conclusions are being assumed rather than proven with evidence.

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14 hours ago, Bill67 said:

It's actually our PM and Singh who calling Canadians racists.  If you are not aware of that, you are not very aware of what's happening. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6354970

 

That's a shameful statement by our PM.  This is just race-baiting and a poor attempt at shaming in order to justify his emergency orders.

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17 hours ago, Bill67 said:

 

You do not have a base in statistics or general logic to engage in an intelligent debate.

?   Save yourself the insults.  Been a Six Sigma Black Belt in the past.  Can calculate anything I want if you can follow.

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Yes 

10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 Could other factors be involved?  Such as behaviour?  Economics?

 

I agree 1000% with Moonlight Graham.  My point is that disparity does not equal discrimination and a single variable approach is meaningless.  We  need a broader approach than " racism! " explains everything! Thanks for the great response. 

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On 5/20/2022 at 1:18 AM, cougar said:

 

Asian incarceration rates.......what if those 6% were all innocent and you had another 20% of whites who were guilty but escaped justice because...

 

Cougar...what if unicorns committed 67% of the crimes and 44% of the wrongful convictions involved aliens? Right?

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