Another Mass Shooting

[Boges]

19 minutes ago, taxme said:

Things are really bad in blue democratic states. Compared to red conservative states, they have nothing on blue states. At least dozens of people get shot and either wounded or killed every month in blue states and blue cities like Chicago. Gun crime is big in blue states. ?

The guns come from Indiana. 

Edited May 26, 2022 by Boges

[Infidel Dog]

4 minutes ago, Boges said:

The guns come from Indiana. 

Which guns? Chicago guns, you mean?

I think you may be watching too much CNN.

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Journalist Wolf Blitzer recently claimed that many of the guns used in Chicago gun crimes originate in the neighboring state of Indiana, where gun laws are not as strict.

Blitzer brought up the point while speaking on Chicago’s gun crime epidemic with California Rep. Darrell Issa on the Jan. 2 episode of The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer. The claim was made to try and partially explain the staggering number of 762 homicides that have occurred in Chicago over the past year, which outnumber homicides committed in both Los Angeles and New York combined.

Issa rebutted Blitzer’s assertion with a much different take, suggesting that most of the firearms used in Chicago gun crimes were bought illegally by those involved in gangs, not legally in Indiana and then brought across state lines to Chicago.

https://www.guns.com/news/2017/01/04/blitzer-claims-many-of-chicagos-guns-come-from-indiana

So maybe you won't be able to save America or not even just Chicago by grabbing all the Indiana guns.

What exactly are you guys proposing anyway?

[Infidel Dog]

Notice how they skitter when you ask them to be specific about what they actually want?

That always makes me smile.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, Infidel Dog said:

Which guns? Chicago guns, you mean?

I think you may be watching too much CNN.

https://www.guns.com/news/2017/01/04/blitzer-claims-many-of-chicagos-guns-come-from-indiana

So maybe you won't be able to save America or not even just Chicago by grabbing all the Indiana guns.

What exactly are you guys proposing anyway?

Federal gun laws. So someone who may not be able to buy a gun in New York can't get it in a Waffle House state. 

[Boges]

Just now, Infidel Dog said:

Notice how they skitter when you ask them to be specific about what they actually want?

That always makes me smile.

Sorry I'm not monitoring your every single post. 

[Boges]

30 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

I see. So you don't want to grab the illegal guns then? Or are you just admitting it isn't possible?

Is it just the legal ones you want grabbed?

If grabbing all the guns isn't what you want, what do you want?

Specifically...

Sure grab the illegal ones too. 

But the concentration of both legal and illegal guns in the US is so saturated. 

That's why they experience so much gun crime relative to the rest of the world. 

[Boges]

Since the cops clearly failed here, now Gun nuts want the teachers armed. 

The same teachers that a grooming kids with CRT. 

Americans are insane. 

[Infidel Dog]

8 minutes ago, Boges said:

Sure grab the illegal ones too. 

You don't think they're trying to do that?

Let's say they could though. Is that it? The end of mass shootings and gun crime in America?

Do I understand you correctly? Are you saying you want to grab all illegal and legal guns in America.

You do know there are more guns in America that there are Americans, don't you? Many, many more.

Edited May 26, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Boges]

21 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

You do know there are more guns in America that there are Americans, don't you? Many, many more.

Which is the main problem. 

There are many popular regulations that are being proposed. 

They get stonewalled by the ridiculous Senate in the US. 

This is all uniquely US. 

[Boges]

There are so many things that are harder to purchasing than a semi automatic rifle in parts of the US. 

It's Insanity. 

Edited May 26, 2022 by Boges

[Aristides]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

There are so many things that are harder to purchasing than a semi automatic rifle. 

It's Insanity. 

Liquor. You can buy an AR15 when you are 18 but have to wait till 21 to have a beer.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Apparently, the NRA went bankrupt some time ago. I guess that must mean that they are not such a powerful lobby in the US anymore. It looks like your anti gun lobby in the US HAS won the day against the NRA. ☹️

Yup, bankrupt to prevent getting their asses sued LOL

Still able to give millions to their selected candidates this year though.

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Liquor. You can buy an AR15 when you are 18 but have to wait till 21 to have a beer.

Alcohol is a known killer.

[Aristides]

27 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Alcohol is a known killer.

Particularly a drunk with a semi auto.

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

So many? Or are you presenting what you believe is an exception to prove the rule?

I'm contrasting the many against an exceptional US. 

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And I think you may be over-selling the guns you believe were on the street during Saddam's reign:

And I think you're trying to dodge what I said which was a gun in virtually every house.

Do you think if there was a gun in every house in America that a dictator would stand a chance?

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Hmmm..."right wing Americans are more like Iraqis than any other people on Earth"

Yes, they live under a Marxist dictatorship and do nothing about it despite having lots of guns.

The big glaring difference of course is just how many right wing Americans seem to believe their gun rights exist so they will be able to protect themselves from a government gone bad.  Maybe the thought just never crossed Iraqi minds.

I mean, exactly what are these Americans who spend 7 days a week and twice on Sunday screaming that the commies have taken over the White House waiting for exactly?

Edited May 27, 2022 by eyeball

[Infidel Dog]

7 hours ago, Boges said:

Which is the main problem. 

There are many popular regulations that are being proposed. 

They get stonewalled by the ridiculous Senate in the US. 

This is all uniquely US. 

What's unique? Do you mean most guns per capita. That sounds about right. Which should tell you it would be pretty much impossible to grab all the guns using existing law. 

But are you trying to say mass shootings in America are unique or even greater in number than other countries. I don't think that's true. 

You may think it's true if you're quoting fake news, quoting Obama quoting researcher Adam Lankford but when you've seen all the information it's hard to take that guy seriously. Try these two:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/05/does-us-lead-world-mass-shootings/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/aug/29/john-lott-jr-adam-lankford-botched-study-claiming-/

Lankford won't release his data but John Lott does and it shows America isn't even close to leading the world in mass shootings per capita. You're more likely to hear about the American mass shootings on western media though.

Doesn't mean you wouldn't want to do something about what mass shootings there are though.

Which reminds me, what exactly are you three wanting to do about mass shootings? Specifically. Is it a secret or something. You can't grab all the guns without going totalitarian. Is that what you want?

 

Edited May 27, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

7 hours ago, Boges said:

There are many popular regulations that are being proposed. 

Could be. I doubt they'll stop mass shootings though. 

Go ahead though. Convince us. Show us what you're talking about.

Edited May 27, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

Dave Reuben discovered some interesting facts from Pew research:

* "In 2020 54% of all gun related deaths were Suicides.

43% were murders."

That one originated from the CDC.

* The Gun Violence Archive definition for mass shootings says they involve shootings of 4 or more people regardless of whether any of them died. Those who did die from such incidents only numbered 513 in 2020.

* "Regardless of the definition being used mass shooting incidents in the U.S. only account for a small fraction of all gun murders that occur nationwide each year."

* "In 2020 handguns were involved in 59% of U.S. gun murders. Rifles (and that would include what gun grabbers want to call assault weapons) were only involved in 3% of firearms murders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnBcabfxzRU

 

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

Yes, they live under a Marxist dictatorship and do nothing about it despite having lots of guns.

The big glaring difference of course is just how many right wing Americans seem to believe their gun rights exist so they will be able to protect themselves from a government gone bad.  Maybe the thought just never crossed Iraqi minds.

I mean, exactly what are these Americans who spend 7 days a week and twice on Sunday screaming that the commies have taken over the White House waiting for exactly?

November.

[Rogdodge2020]

Scared, confused kids with military assault weapons: that’s the police!

The latest timeline was given at a news conference by Texas Ranger Victor Escalon
Ramos crashed his vehicle nearby at 11:28, with the first emergency call coming two minutes later as witnesses reported a man carrying a gun. Ramos then shot at members of the public, roamed the school premises, and entered freely through an unlocked door at 11:40.
Police arrived on site four minutes later, Mr Escalon said. But it is unclear how close they got to the gunman or whether they attempted to enter the classroom where the shooting took place. 

Police initially said the officers were "inside making entry" and took cover after coming under heavy fire. This was revised on Thursday by Mr Escalon. "They [didn't] make entry immediately because of the gunfire they were receiving," he said.

At 12:45, the gunman was shot dead by a team led by an elite Border Patrol tactical unit. Mr Escalon played down previous statements by police that there had been ongoing exchanges of gunfire during the previous hour. "The majority of the gunfire was in the beginning," he told reporters.

Edited May 27, 2022 by Rogdodge2020
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[Boges]

6 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Could be. I doubt they'll stop mass shootings though. 

Go ahead though. Convince us. Show us what you're talking about.

There were far fewer mass shootings when Assault weapons were banned than there are now. 

This punk was able to buy two of these guns and 400 rounds of ammo within two days of his 18th birthday. He couldn't even buy a case of beer. 

American priorities are whack. 

[Boges]

5 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Dave Reuben discovered some interesting facts from Pew research:

* "In 2020 54% of all gun related deaths were Suicides.

43% were murders."

That one originated from the CDC.

* The Gun Violence Archive definition for mass shootings says they involve shootings of 4 or more people regardless of whether any of them died. Those who did die from such incidents only numbered 513 in 2020.

* "Regardless of the definition being used mass shooting incidents in the U.S. only account for a small fraction of all gun murders that occur nationwide each year."

* "In 2020 handguns were involved in 59% of U.S. gun murders. Rifles (and that would include what gun grabbers want to call assault weapons) were only involved in 3% of firearms murders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnBcabfxzRU

 

It all speaks to the gun problem. More guns, more death. 

It's a lot easier to end it all when you're depressed if you have a loaded glock on hand. 

Edited May 27, 2022 by Boges

[Boges]

1 hour ago, Rogdodge2020 said:

Scared, confused kids with military assault weapons: that’s the police!

Ramos crashed his vehicle nearby at 11:28, with the first emergency call coming two minutes later as witnesses reported a man carrying a gun. Ramos then shot at members of the public, roamed the school premises, and entered freely through an unlocked door at 11:40.
Police arrived on site four minutes later, Mr Escalon said. But it is unclear how close they got to the gunman or whether they attempted to enter the classroom where the shooting took place. 

Police initially said the officers were "inside making entry" and took cover after coming under heavy fire. This was revised on Thursday by Mr Escalon. "They [didn't] make entry immediately because of the gunfire they were receiving," he said.

At 12:45, the gunman was shot dead by a team led by an elite Border Patrol tactical unit. Mr Escalon played down previous statements by police that there had been ongoing exchanges of gunfire during the previous hour. "The majority of the gunfire was in the beginning," he told reporters.

You'd hope someone's head will roll over this. 

This flies completely in the face of the whole Good Guy with a Gun Narrative. 

[Michael Hardner]

50 minutes ago, Boges said:

American priorities are whack. 

They have chosen junk food information for their knowledge diet.  They are suffering the consequences of fighting culture wars rather than dealing with problems.   A bloated and egotistic behemoth with no interest in self improvement.  Like Ancient Rome before the fall, all they do is rhapsodize in nostalgia with no understanding of what is happening to them.