Is the Biden Administration trying to starve babies?

[Michael Hardner]

28 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

How the U.S. got into this baby formula mess

 

Uses it for beer for just posting that link. I learned a lot from that article thank you.

Is a lot to be learned from this, but maybe the number one thing we can learn is that these things develop on their own with the consumer market, business, government all pushing things in a certain direction. The complexity is unknown to all but insiders.

Thanks again, I mean it.

[Infidel Dog]

You could have just watched the Tucker Carlson video. He told the same story.

Although...

Tucker stressed this part:

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The federal government not only regulates formula makers. It's also their biggest customer. About half of all formula sold in the U.S. is paid for by the Department of Agriculture, through its Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC).

And from that he concluded WIC created the Abbot monopoly.

Kind of, maybe...but although Abbot is the largest baby formula provider I'm pretty sure I heard there are 3 other providers in the WIC program.

[Michael Hardner]

17 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

 

And from that he concluded WIC created the Abbot monopoly.

Kind of, maybe... 

Hmmm.... the government spends a lot of money so it's reasonable to say that they had a hand in it at least.

Here is the history.  Nixon got the ball rolling...

 

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History[edit]

An amendment to section 17 of the Child Nutrition Act of 1966 on September 26, 1972. The legislation, P.L. 92-433, sponsored by Senator Hubert Humphrey (D) of Minnesota established the Special Supplemental Food Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) as a two-year pilot program. Eligibility was limited to children up to age four and excluded non-breastfeeding postpartum women. By the end of 1974, WIC was operating in 45 states. On October 7, 1975, WIC was established as a permanent program (P.L. 94-105). Eligibility was extended to non-breastfeeding women (up to six months postpartum) and children up to five years of age. However, all participants must be deemed to be at nutrition risk and with inadequate income (however, what constituted inadequate income was not defined). In 1978, P.L. 95-627 defined nutrition risk and established income eligibility standards that were linked to the income standards associated with reduced price school meals. Another income standard change took place in 1989, when P.L. 101-147 established similar income eligibility for Food Stamp, Medicaid, and AFDC participation, thus lowering the WIC income standard and simplifying the application process. WIC began to promote and support breastfeeding women in the late 1980s, and in 1989 Congress mandated $8 million be used specifically for that purpose. Also in 1999, the WIC program standardized nutrition risk criteria for program eligibility and began assigning individual nutrition risk priority levels.

In December 2000, the White House issued an executive memorandum authorizing the WIC program to begin screening clients for childhood immunization status. The motivation for this was the fact that WIC had the access to the greatest number of low-income children and thus had the greatest potential for helping immunization rates. They also directed that immunization screening and referral become a standard part of WIC certification. It mentioned that the new WIC minimum immunization screening and referral is only for use in the WIC program. Across WIC programs, it has become standardized as an accurate, efficient and appropriate screening and referral process. WIC state and local agencies must coordinate with the providers of immunization screening.^[3]

Then, in 2004, the Breastfeeding Peer Counselor Initiative was launched in which women with breastfeeding experience became counselors for women learning how to breastfeed. Five years later in 2009, the USDA introduced a new food package with foods consistent with the Dietary Guidelines for Americans as well as establish dietary recommendations for young children. In addition, mothers who exclusively breastfeed receive more healthy foods.^[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIC#History

[West]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

You have evidence though.  They have hysterical rhetoric.

Also keep in mind that the Marxism Democratic cabal are Woking.

Every time Truey opens his mouth its evidence the guy's an idiot and a criminal. 

[ironstone]

On 5/14/2022 at 7:57 PM, Aristides said:

It's the truth, you don't care if they grow up in poverty, undernourished and without adequate medical care, in danger or  under threat because of an abusive relationship etc. Your interest in them ends when they are born, your work is done and you can bask in your self appointed holiness. 

But it can also be said that if they are allowed to live they at least have a chance of experiencing some great things in life. 

 

[traveler52]

4 hours ago, traveler52 said:

Active Voter Suppression Law passed by ReThugs.  The Traitor sided with Putin against 17-U.S. Intelligene Agencies that agrre Russia Interfered in the 2016 Election.  The Tratior called American Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, Airmen and Coast Guardsmen Killed In Action "Sucker and Losers".  The Traitor shared highly classified human intelligence from an Ally Nation (Israel) with both the Russian Ambassador and Russian Foreign Minister.  

 

The Traitor is exactly that a Traitor.

Nothing like Cons who laugh at the facts.  Denying the truth does not change the truth.

[traveler52]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

You have evidence though.  They have hysterical rhetoric.

Also keep in mind that the Marxism Democratic cabal are Woking.

I am NOT a Marxist.  I fought against Communism in Viet Nam and all I got was spit on when I came home.  I am (now) a retired member of D.C.C.M. (Democratic Central Committe Marin).  I also attended 12-California Democratic State Conventions.

I fought my country and my country's democracy, the Traitor was and is 5-Deferment Draft Dodging Coward.

[traveler52]

14 hours ago, traveler52 said:

Nothing like Cons who laugh at the facts.  Denying the truth does not change the truth.

There is nothing to be confused about.  Purges of Voter Rolls in Southern State's targeting Minority Voters.  Cutting the number Polling Stations in predominitly African-American neighborhoods.  That's what Cons are doing.

It was the Republican Party that conspired to deny the 2016 Election  Results.  It was the Republican Party that accepted Russian Interference in the 2016 Election.  

I stand for American Democracy.   I fought for, bled for and damn near died for my Country in Viet Nam, which something the 5-Deferment Draft Dodging Traitor never did.  

There are Republican members of bothe House of Representaives AND Senate who refuse to accept that the Traitor lost the 2016 Election.  The Traitor is ONLY sitting President to lose the Popular Vote Two Times In A Row.

The Republican Party is the Enemy of American Democracy.

[Aristides]

20 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Why?

You don't think he could, if you asked him to?

He could link you to NPR where they verify everything he says.

How the U.S. got into this baby formula mess

Or did you want first sources. Be specific what you want. What Tucker stated is no secret. 

Glad you have become a believer in NPR. When did that happen?

 

As MH has already pointed out, the WIC program referred to in the article was implemented in 1972 under Nixon. Concentration of the industry has been happening over 50 years under both Democrat and Republican presidents.

Another edit:

If you were really concerned about a formula shortage, you would dig a little deeper than Tucker effing Carlson. 

Edited May 20, 2022 by Aristides

[traveler52]

15 hours ago, traveler52 said:

I am NOT a Marxist.  I fought against Communism in Viet Nam and all I got was spit on when I came home.  I am (now) a retired member of D.C.C.M. (Democratic Central Committe Marin).  I also attended 12-California Democratic State Conventions.

I fought my country and my country's democracy, the Traitor was and is 5-Deferment Draft Dodging Coward.

Let clarify thing in this post.

In my 20+Years on Democratic Central Committee Marin, I helped elected Democrats to Federal, State and Local Office.  None of them were ever "Marxist".  i would never support and have never supported Marxism.

I realize that certain Conservative love to accuse Democrats of being "Marxist", but in  no way/shape/form is that true.   

I support and I defend American Democracy. 

It was Republicans who travled to Moscow to meet with former K.G.B. (Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti) Colonel Vladimir Putin.  The K.G.B. was the Committee Security and known as the Sword and The Shield of Communist Russia.  Putin was and is a Communist.  No Democrat made journey to bow and scrape to Putin, it was all Republicans.

Making baseless accusations against Democrats, myself included is insulting.  I am NOT a Communist, I am NOT a Marxist, I am NOT a Leninist.  

Such degrading insults serves no purpose other malign Men and Women based on no other reason than their party affiiiation.  Cons do not like called  being Fascist or Nazi,  but have no problem calling myself and other Democrats Marxis,Leninist or Communist.  

Respect begats respects.  Insults add nothing to the discussion and only proves that the person using such name calling have nohting to add or contribute to that discussion.

You want me to respect your party and not name call, I request same from Conservatives.

 

 

 

Edited May 20, 2022 by traveler52
correct language

[Aristides]

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I stand for American Democracy.   I fought for, bled for and damn near died for my Country in Viet Nam, which something the 5-Deferment Draft Dodging Traitor never did.  

Interesting how many photos you see of President Bone Spurs playing golf and tennis.

[Aristides]

17 hours ago, ironstone said:

But it can also be said that if they are allowed to live they at least have a chance of experiencing some great things in life. 

 

Maybe, but the pro lifers here aren't interested in what happens to them after they are born. Nor are they interested in what happens to the women they force to carry them.

Edited May 20, 2022 by Aristides

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Glad you have become a believer in NPR. When did that happen?

 

FYI. The WIC program referred to in the article was implemented in 1972 under Nixon. Concentration of the industry has been happening over 50 years under both Democrat and Republican presidents.

Another edit:

If you were really concerned about a formula shortage, you would dig a little deeper than Tucker effing Carlson. 

I have no objection to quoting leftist sources on the occasions they get something right. It's useful. Lefties can't just point at it and scree, or quote the leftist mediabiasfactcheck to damn it as something they call "far right." They have to choke it down, or try to divert from the fact it supports my argument by telling me the source belongs to them. Which only makes them look petty and a little silly if you ask me.

Hell I'll quote Wikipedia, Snopes, the Guardian and even the CBC when they get something right. The one I like to quote the most is Orwell because one of you dummies will almost always want to tell me how Orwell was a socialist. I could simply say, "so what, sometimes he got something right" but what fun would that be?

But wait...what were we actually talking about?

Oh yeah, the WIC program that supported Tucker's argument a government fabricated baby formula crisis was instituted through WIC whose incompetence created a baby formula monopoly that sparked the chain of events that created the baby formula shortage crisis.

And I'm glad NPR had enough integrity to admit there was a monopoly problem and WIC at least helped to create it.

As to the government program being started by Nixon. So what? Tucker's point was it was government. However it was at that time under Biden administration. Doesn't matter if there was a Biden connection though because it's still government and government has a tendency to screw up. Come to think of it the FDA can take some blame here too.

Edited May 20, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Infidel Dog said:

I have no objection to quoting leftist sources on the occasions they get something right. It's useful. Lefties can't just point at and scree, or quote the leftist mediabiasfactcheck to damn it as something they call "far right." They have to choke it down, or try to divert from the fact it supports my argument by telling me the source belongs to them. Hell I'll quote Wikipedia, Snopes, the Guardian and even the CBC when they get something right. The one I like to quote the most is Orwell because one of you dummies will almost always want to tell me how Orwell was a socialist. I could simply say, "so what, sometimes he got something right" but what fun would that be?

But wait...what were we actually talking about?

Oh yeah, the WIC program that supported Tuckers argument a government fabricated baby formula was instituted through WIC that sparked the chain of events that created the baby formula shortage.

And I'm glad NPR had enough integrity to admit there was a monopoly problem and WIC at least helped to create it.

As to the government program being started by Nixon. So what? Tucker's point was it was government. However it was at that time under Biden administration. Doesn't matter if a Biden connection doesn't matter here though because it's still government and government has a tendency to screw up. Come to think of it the FDA can take some blame here too.

You agree with them if they say anything that strokes your prejudice, otherwise they are just another bunch of Marxists in your book. Tucker is right that it is government but both you and he would dump everything that has happened over 50 years on the guy who has been in office 16 months. Where was the outrage during the 4 years Trump was in power?

A plant was shut down because of possible contamination. If you want contaminated baby formula, move to China. 

[Infidel Dog]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

You agree with them if they say anything that strokes your prejudice, otherwise they are just another bunch of Marxists in your book. Tucker is right that it is government but both you and he would dump everything that has happened over 50 years on the guy who has been in office 16 months. Where was the outrage during the 4 years Trump was in power?

The crisis didn't happen during the Trump era. It happened under this administration where a long string of government fuck-ups seem to be happening. I'd mention a few of them but you'd happily divert to one of them to distract from how the administration cocked up another one here. (Pssst...Afghanistan.)

But go ahead, try to blame Trump for the incompetence that seems to regularly happen under the Biden administration. That's always good for a laugh.

[Aristides]

I'm not blaming Trump for anything. Any time you reduce the number of suppliers and concentrate production, you run a risk of bigger disruptions if one goes down. That concentration didn't happen under Biden, it happened over the past 50 years and every president since 1972 is responsible for doing nothing to reduce the chances of this happening. Do you blame Bush Jr for all the the events that led up to 9/11? I sure don't. 

Edited May 20, 2022 by Aristides

[traveler52]

On 5/19/2022 at 1:48 PM, Michael Hardner said:

You have evidence though.  They have hysterical rhetoric.

Also keep in mind that the Marxism Democratic cabal are Woking.

 

One more time.  I AM NOT.....NOT.....NOT A FRACKING MARXIST. 

No Democrat that I have worked with, campaigned with or help get elected to office is a Marxist.  Please resist the name calling.  If you do not want me to name call, then please respect my request.

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, traveler52 said:

No Democrat that I have worked with, campaigned with or help get elected to office is a Marxist.  Please resist the name calling.  If you do not want me to name call, then please respect my request.

You misunderstood my sarcastic humour.  Of course liberals and such aren't Marxist.  It's a ridiculous idea.

 

Anyone who says so seriously marks themselves as a Court Jester. 

[traveler52]

On 5/19/2022 at 1:48 PM, Michael Hardner said:

You have evidence though.  They have hysterical rhetoric.

Also keep in mind that the Marxism Democratic cabal are Woking.

 

One more time.  I AM NOT.....NOT.....NOT A FRACKING MARXIST. 

No Democrat that I have worked with, campaigned with or help get elected to office is a Marxist.  Please resist the name calling.  If you do not want me to name call, then please respect my request.

[traveler52]

On 5/19/2022 at 1:48 PM, Michael Hardner said:

 

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[traveler52]

On 5/19/2022 at 1:48 PM, Michael Hardner said:

 

 

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[traveler52]

3 hours ago, traveler52 said:

 

One more time.  I AM NOT.....NOT.....NOT A FRACKING MARXIST. 

No Democrat that I have worked with, campaigned with or help get elected to office is a Marxist.  Please resist the name calling.  If you do not want me to name call, then please respect my request.

 

What's so damn funny there mkey?  I made a simple request.  I see you  choose to ignore it....ok

It is the Fascist ReThugs and GroppenFuhrer Orange Faced Traitor that love their damn guns. Screw them.  

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, traveler52 said:

 

What's so damn funny there mkey?  I made a simple request.  I see you  choose to ignore it....ok

It is the Fascist ReThugs and GroppenFuhrer Orange Faced Traitor that love their damn guns. Screw them.  

I don't think that you are a Marxist.  I am making fun of the Trump cult that name calls everything fascist in the face of the facts.

[traveler52]

Oregon Father Decides The Safety of His Children Than The Guns In His House.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/oregon-man-tiktok-destroys-guns_n_6291cf7be4b0cda85dbf009f

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I don't think that you are a Marxist.  I am making fun of the Trump cult that name calls everything fascist in the face of the facts.

Thank You.

I am sorry if I was inpatient with what you wrote.  I've been called a "Marxist"....."Leninist" and "Communist" more times than I care to count.  It is especially galling to me as I humped a AN/PRC-6 in Viet Nam.  Heavy bugger to.
 

Edited May 28, 2022 by traveler52

[Robert Salyers]

On 5/13/2022 at 10:39 PM, West said:

So it appears left wing incompetence OR attempted murder is delaying the inspection of plants making baby formula, leaving a massive supply shortage. 

I knew these people were sick. Just didn't know they are this sick.

 

no hes not its just his administrations lack of common sense and failure to see theres a action and reaction to every thing they do. hey should of wondered what would happen in 4 months after shutting down the plant  and realized there would be a problem . its not intentional just plan old stupidity