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20 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

If the same consequences are in a Russian court ( I do not know and suspect you are blowing smoke and don't either), so be it.

Finishing the discussion: authoritarian systems of governance, no matter how well they cover and mask their nature, will sooner or later face the problem of legitimacy. "Formal rule" is not equivalent to legitimacy. A formal stamp of approval by a scared and brainwashed population cannot be a foundation of long term democratic legitimacy. And with absolutely unjustified and unnecessary invocation of war measures the objective conclusion is here and cannot be denied: the country is edging on authoritarianism. There are no effective checks and controls on majority governments. Quasi-free media, justice system aren't effective any longer if ever, now a fact of reality. Someone should be worried, if they are still here.

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28 minutes ago, myata said:

Finishing the discussion: authoritarian systems of governance, no matter how well they cover and mask their nature, will sooner or later face the problem of legitimacy. "Formal rule" is not equivalent to legitimacy. A formal stamp of approval by a scared and brainwashed population cannot be a foundation of long term democratic legitimacy. And with absolutely unjustified and unnecessary invocation of war measures the objective conclusion is here and cannot be denied: the country is edging on authoritarianism. There are no effective checks and controls on majority governments. Quasi-free media, justice system aren't effective any longer if ever, now a fact of reality. Someone should be worried, if they are still here.

What blather.
Laws are laws, call them what you want but they are still laws. Be it in democratic societies or dictatorships.

Application of those laws are in complete compliance with the society they are enacted in.

You may not like them but there is no alternatives. You disagree with them but then again, who are you? if you have a better way, do something (within the law) instead of whining on a forum message board. Become a lawyer and change them LOL

You are becoming, or have become, old and tired one trick pony with redundant messages.

You have no case, you have no justification, you have no precedence. Your campaign is lost and over and done and long past its due mark. You are dragging that decaying dead horse for no reason anymore.

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32 minutes ago, myata said:

A formal stamp of approval by a scared and brainwashed population cannot be a foundation of long term democratic legitimacy.

This seems to be the solution for right-wingers who have been trying to establish a conservative legitimacy based on paranoia about commies under every bed since the 1950's.

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1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

What a load of nonsense.  It was a carnival atmosphere and the businesses that stayed open thrived, until of course the EA martial police turned the place into a ghost town.  Felt like Warsaw during a late 80’s crackdown.  The injunction had stopped the honking and the blockades had gone before the EA was imposed. 

And there's correspondence showing Lich worked with authorities to organize trucks so that they weren't blocking anything. What happened in Ottawa WASN'T a blockade... the authorities directed the traffic. 

Typical crybaby lefties thinking anything they don't like is "violence"

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1 hour ago, Aristides said:

 

The closures cost businesses millions, that's why the organizers are being sued.

The protest cost Ottawa tax payers over 36 million.

Yes, theocracies are well known for protecting the right to protest.?

The city closed down the mall, not the protesters... they would've made good money otherwise. Other restaurants such as a Tim Hortons, Subway and Iconic Cafe stayed open and made enough money for six months. The ONLY reason the city closed down the mall was to prevent protesters from using the washrooms and warming up. Which is inhumane... liberals are disgusting human beings

Those suing also falsely claimed the truckers tried to light their apartment building on fire. So these people are liars as well

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43 minutes ago, eyeball said:

This seems to be the solution for right-wingers who have been trying to establish a conservative legitimacy based on paranoia about commies under every bed since the 1950's.

 

5 minutes ago, West said:

And there's correspondence showing Lich worked with authorities to organize trucks so that they weren't blocking anything. What happened in Ottawa WASN'T a blockade... the authorities directed the traffic. 

Typical crybaby lefties thinking anything they don't like is "violence"

Baloney on both counts. A lot of right wing hearsay.

After the second  day and when they pitched tents on Wellington Street and did not move after being asked, it became a blockade.

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5 minutes ago, West said:

The city closed down the mall, not the protesters... they would've made good money otherwise. 

The Rideau Centre Mall owners closed down the mall, which was 3 blocks away, because it was inundated with protesters using facilities and loitering. The merchants within the mall closed shops because they were afraid of potential vandalism to their shops.

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What is this, 1950?   “Loitering”?   I laugh at how Portland was occupied for months and rail lines were blockaded for weeks by protesters, churches burned down, etc.  No mention from Trudeau, but it’s the Emergencies Act for people who don’t like mandated health programs that make compliance a condition of employment, travel, etc.  What a bunch of hypocrites!

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

And yet many here deny it including me.

There's nothing new in denying the obvious. It's as old as humanity remembers itself. Let's count what we lost only during this short stretch of a flu-kind epidemics:

- we do not have objective and impartial media
- we do not have judicial controls over majority governments. Delayed justice is mockery of justice
- and we have governments that discovered the capabilities and power of an all-out brainwashing propaganda. With nothing (see above) to limit them. With any meaningful action by citizens immediately branded as war, insurrection and such. And no one pays any attention to meaningless ones, obviously too.

All of that is objective, visible reality. That of course, anyone is free to ignore and deny. Like it's any surprise.

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1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

What blather.
Laws are laws, call them what you want but they are still laws. Be it in democratic societies or dictatorships.

Application of those laws are in complete compliance with the society they are enacted in.

You may not like them but there is no alternatives. You disagree with them but then again, who are you? if you have a better way, do something (within the law) instead of whining on a forum message board. Become a lawyer and change them LOL

You are becoming, or have become, old and tired one trick pony with redundant messages.

You have no case, you have no justification, you have no precedence. Your campaign is lost and over and done and long past its due mark. You are dragging that decaying dead horse for no reason anymore.

Nobody can tell us which "laws" she actually broke. All evidence suggests she worked with law enforcement to maintain peaceful protest. 

Estimates of at least several hundred thousand people there and the worst they did was a noise complaint. No violence (aside from the police), no broken windows, no arson. Yet THIS was deemed something worthy of an Emergencies Act. How sad and pathetic... our country has taken away basic fundamental rights such as peaceful assembly and people clap and cheer as peaceful demonstrators are tossed on the ground, beaten with batons, and thrown in prison for opposing the government.

Obviously liberals are comfortable with peaceful demonstrations being violently broken up by cops... very sad times

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

This seems to be the solution for right-wingers

The comment mentioned "authoritarian" governments. Quite obviously they can be (and were) of any ideological orientation. So it's not about ideology obviously. Though for some reason left always gravitates toward authoritarianism (that could be interesting topic for another discussion).

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1 hour ago, myata said:

There's nothing new in denying the obvious. It's as old as humanity remembers itself. Let's count what we lost only during this short stretch of a flu-kind epidemics:

- we do not have objective and impartial media
- we do not have judicial controls over majority governments. Delayed justice is mockery of justice
- and we have governments that discovered the capabilities and power of an all-out brainwashing propaganda. With nothing (see above) to limit them. With any meaningful action by citizens immediately branded as war, insurrection and such. And no one pays any attention to meaningless ones, obviously too.

All of that is objective, visible reality. That of course, anyone is free to ignore and deny. Like it's any surprise.

But there’s an acceptance of these violations of Charter rights by those who can’t see injustice, only what they are told by government and state-funded media.  Half the posters on here fit that description.  That’s reflective of the Canadian public, so we have a degraded democracy.  

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5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

But there’s a acceptance of these violations of Charter rights by those who can’t see injustice, only what they are told by government and state-funded media.  Half the posters on here fit that description.  That’s reflective of the Canadian public, so we have a degraded democracy.  

Exactly. The politicians abuse the law to protect themselves. A bunch of sick people as are those who support them

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4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

But there’s a acceptance of these violations of Charter rights by those who can’t see injustice, only what they are told by government and state-funded media

And this is no surprise, none. A century ago Germany had democratic system, laws and constitution. And a decade later people applauded authoritarian, then openly totalitarian government and marched in parades. All of this already happened. Complacency produces governments out of bounds and controls. Then governments use propaganda to increase compliance multi-fold. Then nothing independent remains. And it becomes a one-way trajectory.

We have those people walking around in masks for years maybe. For no reason, none. A visible, glaring reminder - and warning, of the power of complacency and propaganda.

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19 minutes ago, myata said:

The comment mentioned "authoritarian" governments. Quite obviously they can be (and were) of any ideological orientation. So it's not about ideology obviously. Though for some reason left always gravitates toward authoritarianism (that could be interesting topic for another discussion).

All governments gravitate around their own center. The only division worth worrying about is the one between the governed and their governments. I've been discussing this for decades to little more than the sounds of crickets from partisans of all stripes.

Virtually no one but a partisan trusts governments anymore but no one seems to be able to get past their sense that we're all powerless to make them more trustworthy.  I remind again we're talking about 338 parliamentarians versus 38 million Canadians.

Yup. Powerless to a Tee.

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30 minutes ago, West said:

Nobody can tell us which "laws" she actually broke. All evidence suggests she worked with law enforcement to maintain peaceful protest. 

Estimates of at least several hundred thousand people there and the worst they did was a noise complaint. No violence (aside from the police), no broken windows, no arson. Yet THIS was deemed something worthy of an Emergencies Act. How sad and pathetic... our country has taken away basic fundamental rights such as peaceful assembly and people clap and cheer as peaceful demonstrators are tossed on the ground, beaten with batons, and thrown in prison for opposing the government.

Obviously liberals are comfortable with peaceful demonstrations being violently broken up by cops... very sad times

Firstly, no one has to tell you anything, let alone what she is being charged with. if she wants you all to know, she can tell you but, she does not so, blame her.

As for evidence, show us what you are talking about. Oh you cannot? Your youtube news sources have not provided that? LOL

Secondly, the condition of bail, which she and her lawyer agreed upon are also known to her, if she wants you to know, she can tell you but, she does not so...

Thirdly, you do not live in Ottawa, you were not here during that time, you base everything you know on hearsay and youtube so, you are far from knowing actual events.

Some of you here are living months in the past with no other life but a long gone event. Some of you keep bringing up decades old and  nearly hundred year old events to try and make comparisons. Sad they are stuck. And the longer you dwell, the more absurd you become.

 

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Just now, eyeball said:

Yup. Powerless to a Tee.

That is a mirror, a perception by us of ourselves. Even in this condition, far down the rabbit hole there can be meaningful, working solutions. But no. We convince ourselves that nothing can be done, "don't fix it" and the beaver laughing with the mountie. And that of course is the end destination, for all it matters. Nothing else can and will happen where change is not possible.

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34 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

What is this, 1950?   “Loitering”?   I laugh at how Portland was occupied for months and rail lines were blockaded for weeks by protesters, churches burned down, etc.  No mention from Trudeau, but it’s the Emergencies Act for people who don’t like mandated health programs that make compliance a condition of employment, travel, etc.  What a bunch of hypocrites!

That was in the US. Why would Trudeau want to get involved in that?

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1. Government adopted and forced unjustified, overreaching restrictions on citizens. It doesn't matter that majority supported them. First, many were brainwashed by media that showed that it has little to do with objectivity and impartiality. Secondly, in a democracy even a majority cannot rule arbitrarily, without reason, justification, checks and recourse. That would be medieval justice.

2. Government ignored and suppressed all and any views that questioned its actions. Just be honest and recall how it was unfolding. "Misogynists and racists".

3. There was no mechanisms or channels for a meaningful dialogue. It was a one way dictation.

4. When citizens came out to their streets (governments do not create anything) they were branded criminals and insurectionists denying and nullifying all bills and declarations of rights.

5. Now we know that government acts were not only heavy-handed bordering on authoritarian but also ineffective, unjustified and overreaching. The effectiveness of lockdowns was proven to be marginal. There isn't convincing evidence supporting mask mandates. Other countries managed to achieve same, or better results without overreaching measures.

This is our reality of today, not 1789 if it rings any bells. Should we be worried?

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22 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You are in error. Ms. Lich would be in potential breach of her bail conditions. She is innocent od a crime because the charges against her have not been tested in court. Like you and me and Prime Minister Trudeau, we are all presumed innocent unless proven guilty in court. However she was arrested based on the accumulation of evidence. An arrest is justified:

to ensure the accused will attend court.

to ensure there is no continuation of an offence.

to protect the safety of the accused, the arresting office or the public.

In this case, Ms. Lich was released on bail under conditions. If she breaches any of those conditions, she may have her bail revoked.

We have the right to protest in Canada but we do not have the right to break the law. 

 

There are some good laws and then there are some bad laws. Having Tamara arrested for peacefully protesting is a bad law. Tamara should never have been charged for anything. The only reason as to why Tamara was arrested was because of a bad law. This was just more vengeance by our Marxist politicians against anyone who dares to take on any of our Marxist levels of governments. Tamara should be freed at once with all charges dropped against her. Just saying. 

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Tamara Lich speaking with police about where to reorganize trucks

Text messages between police liason and Chris Barber

Memo from Convoy organization to truckers asking to cooperate with law enforcement and move trucks

Letter to Mayor Jim Watson 

Their only mistake was trusting a liberal. Those folks are dishonest scum

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