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55 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Yay for Tennessee.. 

I specifically like the lawsuit idea. Will now be able to sue corporations who give women 4k per abortion and were planning on flying them all over the country to get them and different governors who do the same. We'll played

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17 minutes ago, West said:

Yay for Tennessee.. 

I specifically like the lawsuit idea. Will now be able to sue corporations who give women 4k per abortion and were planning on flying them all over the country to get them and different governors who do the same. We'll played

You really are a control freak.

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9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Yes it is. A women won’t likely know she is pregnant until after 6 weeks.

also not true

they likely know after two weeks

and 90% of abortions happen within twelve weeks

a 6 week limit is nowhere near banning nearly all abortions

stop lying

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5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

also not true

they likely know after two weeks

and 90% of abortions happen within twelve weeks

6 weeks is nowhere near banning nearly all abortions

stop lying

I overheard a woman talking about her pregnancy, how the baby was kicking, and falls asleep as she's walking. How we can say that's not a life is truly void of any science or even common sense.

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Another thing you slow learners don't want to accept, even though the posts above your infantile meme tell you about it is the Supreme Court didn't take away anybody's right to choose. It gave them choice on a closer to home basis. You can still "choose" to kill babies in New York right up to birth if you want.

Don't want abortion regulated after the first trimester? Want it? Don't want the right to sue abortionists? Want it? You have the right to "choose" or choose to take away those and more with state legislation now. 

It's called democracy.

Actually your federal, Progressive Socialist Democrats of America always had the right to to pass a federal 'baby-killing' law for you but they didn't. It's harder on a larger federal scale. Too many states would vote against them in the Senate. Federalism and all that. So state by state Americans didn't loose choice. They gained more.

You just don't want to accept that because you don't want to accept that the majority of some states somewhere don't think like you do.

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I was having a group chat last night with friends that included ones from both Canada and the US.

Talking about this subject, it was mentioned that anti-abortion people seem to think that X number of abortions = X number of "babies killed".

It really doesn't.  Here's the comment from one of my friends:

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There is a reality that many don't understand or ignore.  By medical definition, I've had 2 abortions.  One was an ectopic pregnancy that was removed before my fallopian tube burst.  The second was a 22 week pregnancy that died in utero 2 weeks before. I opted to go home and miscarry naturally, but that didn't happen so an abortion was done.  My pregnancies were both planned for and wanted.  But my 2 abortions add to the case numbers and anti people think I "killed 2 babies". Let women make these personal decisions with their doctors regardless of circumstances.  They are none of any body else's business.

Another friend (and I never knew this, none of us did and this is why abortion should fall under the 14th amendment privacy laws) said this:

 
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I had a late term abortion.
We learned that our baby boy had serious physical deformities. I underwent a painful procedure to test for chromosomal abnormalities. A post-procedural ultrasound revealed that the deformities were much worse than the doctors originally thought. So much worse, that the test results were now irrelevant. I will never forget what the doctor told me. “This baby will not survive. It is not a matter of if you lose this baby, but when.”
My last miscarriage at 16 weeks resulted in postpartum hemorrhage, hypotension, an emergency D&E, and two blood transfusions. It was life threatening.
So when I asked how long I could wait for a miscarriage to happen naturally and my doctor said, “it’s already too late for that”, I understood.
Every doctor and nurse that I spoke with was gentle and understanding. In one appointment I asked my doctor how many of these procedures (late term abortions) were for people in my same kind of circumstance. Her answer was, “virtually all”.
It was the earliest possible appointment after the earliest possible point that imaging could clearly show the extent of our baby’s malformations. My doctor rubbed my leg as I gently fell asleep, tears streaming down both sides of my face. I woke up with an empty uterus, and a broken heart.
Abortion laws are typically blind to the complexities and nuances of the circumstances that necessitate an abortion. The issue has become so sensationalized, that the real life situations seem to be an afterthought.
With legal abortions no longer being protected by federal law, I’m sharing these very personal experiences with you for a reason. I hope that when you have the opportunity to vote for state laws that regard the issue of abortion, you will think of mothers like me.
This issue is not black and white. Like almost every other choice we make in this life, the right one is personal. I’m very grateful I didn’t have laws to contend with while I made it.

 

 
 
I think these women's thoughts are worth considering before you take these decisions completely out of their hands.
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Not from my visit with friends last night, but we did also discuss this case:

I feel like I need to share part of my experience today in light of the overturning of Roe vs Wade.
Two months ago on April 11th. I was one of the mothers who sat in a doctors office and was told that my baby no longer had a heartbeat. That the child I had prayed for, longed for, and fought for had passed away. My child was wanted. At 9 weeks pregnant. I found out that my child had down syndrome. I was offered the choice of an abortion which I declined. I wanted this child no matter what.
Two weeks later I found out my child was developing a cystic hygroma ( swelling in my child's neck). I was offered an abortion again which I declined. One week later I found out my baby not only had down syndrome and a cystic hygroma which would severely alter his life but that he had now developed fetal hydrops and had a less than 3 percent chance of survival. I was offered an abortion again which I declined.
One week later I found out that the hydrops had gotten worse and my child had less than 1 percent chance of survival. I was told to come in each week to see if my child had passed away or not. I had to start looking for symptoms in my own body because the likelihood of me developing a life threatening condition was high. I am one of the moms who had to face the fact that her child would pass away and would not be able to survive out of utero and that I could also die because of this.
The mental anguish of knowing your child is going to die and nothing can be done is the most horrible thing. I understand the women who cannot live like this. At 18 weeks gestation, I found out my child passed away. I was told by doctors that my body may or may not go into labor. If I was to go into labor naturally at home, that there was over 90 percent chance that I would die.
I wanted to see and hold the child that I had carried for so long. I opted to be induced the next day on April 12th. I delivered this baby naturally with the help of doctors and nurses and because of their help. I was able to hold my child that had passed away. I am eternally grateful for these doctors and nurses who saved my life when my child's life could not be saved.
Even though my child had already passed away. Because he was born at 18 weeks gestation and not 20 weeks, by the current legal definitions, his birth was considered an abortion. On my medical records, it states that I had an abortion, instead of a stillborn which is a very hard thing for me to look at.
The current definition of "abortion" includes infants who die in utero from natural causes. Those babies are included in the count and skew the numbers.
All this being said. If my child had passed away today. Things would be very different. My life would be at risk. I wanted my baby more than anything in the world but he passed away and it was still considered an abortion. So before celebrating today's decision. Think about the moms that don't have a choice in an abortion. The ones who wanted their child but now have few options over their own bodies.
There is so much more to this decision than killing a child. I am against killing children just like I think most of us are. Many abortions are not choices they are mothers making the hardest decisions of their lives. "Abortion" is a legal term that does not accurately describe what people think it does.
How can you kill someone who has already passed away?
Mothers are making the hardest decisions of their lives. We dont know the circumstances. They need to be able to make those decisions without the interference and judgment of others.
This is what "abortion" can look like.
 
 
 
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In the interest of showing how common "abortions" are - technically, my medical records will show 5 abortions.  They were all miscarriages, one at 18 weeks. No babies were "murdered".  It's the reason why my children are 7 years apart and I'm also grateful that i didn't have to deal with a legal system during that time of my life.

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2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

also not true

they likely know after two weeks

and 90% of abortions happen within twelve weeks

a 6 week limit is nowhere near banning nearly all abortions

stop lying

How will they know Oh Wise One? Do you expect sexually active women to be taking pregnancy tests every two weeks?

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For most people, 6-week bans would stop access to abortion a mere two weeks after a missed period.

 

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20 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Not from my visit with friends last night, but we did also discuss this case:

I feel like I need to share part of my experience today in light of the overturning of Roe vs Wade.
Two months ago on April 11th. I was one of the mothers who sat in a doctors office and was told that my baby no longer had a heartbeat. That the child I had prayed for, longed for, and fought for had passed away. My child was wanted. At 9 weeks pregnant. I found out that my child had down syndrome. I was offered the choice of an abortion which I declined. I wanted this child no matter what.
Two weeks later I found out my child was developing a cystic hygroma ( swelling in my child's neck). I was offered an abortion again which I declined. One week later I found out my baby not only had down syndrome and a cystic hygroma which would severely alter his life but that he had now developed fetal hydrops and had a less than 3 percent chance of survival. I was offered an abortion again which I declined.
One week later I found out that the hydrops had gotten worse and my child had less than 1 percent chance of survival. I was told to come in each week to see if my child had passed away or not. I had to start looking for symptoms in my own body because the likelihood of me developing a life threatening condition was high. I am one of the moms who had to face the fact that her child would pass away and would not be able to survive out of utero and that I could also die because of this.
The mental anguish of knowing your child is going to die and nothing can be done is the most horrible thing. I understand the women who cannot live like this. At 18 weeks gestation, I found out my child passed away. I was told by doctors that my body may or may not go into labor. If I was to go into labor naturally at home, that there was over 90 percent chance that I would die.
I wanted to see and hold the child that I had carried for so long. I opted to be induced the next day on April 12th. I delivered this baby naturally with the help of doctors and nurses and because of their help. I was able to hold my child that had passed away. I am eternally grateful for these doctors and nurses who saved my life when my child's life could not be saved.
Even though my child had already passed away. Because he was born at 18 weeks gestation and not 20 weeks, by the current legal definitions, his birth was considered an abortion. On my medical records, it states that I had an abortion, instead of a stillborn which is a very hard thing for me to look at.
The current definition of "abortion" includes infants who die in utero from natural causes. Those babies are included in the count and skew the numbers.
All this being said. If my child had passed away today. Things would be very different. My life would be at risk. I wanted my baby more than anything in the world but he passed away and it was still considered an abortion. So before celebrating today's decision. Think about the moms that don't have a choice in an abortion. The ones who wanted their child but now have few options over their own bodies.
There is so much more to this decision than killing a child. I am against killing children just like I think most of us are. Many abortions are not choices they are mothers making the hardest decisions of their lives. "Abortion" is a legal term that does not accurately describe what people think it does.
How can you kill someone who has already passed away?
Mothers are making the hardest decisions of their lives. We dont know the circumstances. They need to be able to make those decisions without the interference and judgment of others.
This is what "abortion" can look like.
 
 
 

I saw that anecdote.

Below the anecdote was this from anti-abortion organizations:

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The treatment for an ectopic pregnancy is NOT an abortion The treatment for miscarriage is NOT an abortion The treatment for septic uterus is NOT an abortion There's a difference between losing a child & murdering a child Not a single pro-life law impacts these treatments
 
 

 

 

 
The tsunami of pro-abortion disinformation has begun. Don’t believe the lies. Removing a baby in an ectopic pregnancy is *not* abortion. Miscarriage management is *not* abortion. Pro-life states are banning the intentional destruction of human lives. Join us.
 
 

 

 

 
Miscarriage management is not abortion. Removing an ectopic pregnancy is not abortion. If you’ve had a natural miscarriage, you have not had an abortion. There is a complete legal & moral difference between the tragic loss of a child & the intentional killing of a child.
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1 minute ago, Infidel Dog said:

I saw that anecdote.

Below the anecdote was this from anti-abortion organizations:

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The treatment for an ectopic pregnancy is NOT an abortion The treatment for miscarriage is NOT an abortion The treatment for septic uterus is NOT an abortion There's a difference between losing a child & murdering a child Not a single pro-life law impacts these treatments
 
 

 

 

 
The tsunami of pro-abortion disinformation has begun. Don’t believe the lies. Removing a baby in an ectopic pregnancy is *not* abortion. Miscarriage management is *not* abortion. Pro-life states are banning the intentional destruction of human lives. Join us.
 
 

 

 

 
Miscarriage management is not abortion. Removing an ectopic pregnancy is not abortion. If you’ve had a natural miscarriage, you have not had an abortion. There is a complete legal & moral difference between the tragic loss of a child & the intentional killing of a child.

The point is that it is medically termed an "abortion".  The medical records will list an "abortion".

So the abortion numbers being tossed around to show that women are deviant creatures that thoughtlessly kill off babies, is not true.

 

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The anti-abortion organization, Live Action, has some advice for you:

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Too often, inaccurate medical terms have led many women to believe they have undergone abortions when nothing could be further from the truth. Let’s clear up the facts and make sure women have the whole story.

Miscarriage is Not Abortion

The insensitive term “spontaneous abortion” is often used in medical settings instead of the term “miscarriage.” Many a woman has been devastated when, while recovering from a miscarriage in an emergency room or a doctor’s office, she is informed that her “spontaneous abortion” is complete.

A miscarriage — the completely unintentional death of a child in-utero — is not remotely related to an actual abortion. Actual abortion — whether conducted through means of the abortion pill or surgical procedures — is the on-purpose, consciously chosen, and fully intended violent taking of a child’s life. The distinction between miscarriage and abortion becomes clear when Dr. Anthony Levatino’s videos describing abortion procedures are viewed.

No woman suffering through a miscarriage should be made to feel that she has had an abortion.

A D&C Procedure (or Taking Pills After a Miscarriage) is Not an Abortion

Far too many women have been guilt-tripped into believing that undergoing a D&C procedure or taking a pill to clear their uterus after a miscarriage is no different than a woman who has consciously chosen an abortion.

However, a woman who has a D&C or takes a medication after an incomplete miscarriage has not chosen an abortion. An incomplete miscarriage arises when the child dies inside his mother’s womb, but has not yet been expelled by the mother’s body. This can cause health and infection risks to the mother, and doctors commonly recommend either a D&C procedure or the misoprostol pill to clear the woman’s uterus.

While a D&C is also used to commit an abortion, a D&C is not always an abortion. It completely depends on the purpose: is a D&C being committed while a child is still alive in her mother’s womb? If so, it’s an abortion. Is a D&C being used to clear the mother’s womb after her child is dead and her body is not naturally cooperating? If so, it is most certainly not an abortion. The animated video below shows a D&C suction aspiration abortion being used to kill a living human being — not one that has already died:

https://www.liveaction.org/news/miscarriage-ectopic-delivery-not-abortions/

However if you have a non-anecdotal reference showing abortion statistics include ectopic pregnancies and this affects the recent Supreme Court decision moving Abortion law to the states I'd love to see it.

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5 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

I'd love to see it.

I think this is why Roe vs. Wade was originally enacted.

So women could have the privacy to not have to provide their medical records to prove anything to you.

It's none of your business.

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One more time then:

  

6 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Show me a single state law that would limit a physician’s ability” to care for women with ectopic pregnancies or miscarriages.

What I'm asking for has nothing to with your personal medical records. Nor does the recent Supreme Court decision to move Abortion law back to the states.

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Just now, Infidel Dog said:

One more time then:

  

 

I linked to more than one state that is already prosecuting women for miscarriages.

It happened in the past, and was part of why Roe was argued in the first place.

Nothing has changed since abortion was illegal. Old white guys, who understand nothing about female biology still want the ability to decide for women.

Even in this thread, a man stated that pregnancy by rape was so rare that it didn't matter.

That was stated by US politicians who wanted women to carry their rapists babies.  

It is a false statement.

And in states that will outlaw all abortion with no exceptions, the morning after pill, normally given  to prevent a pregnancy after rape, will be illegal and women will be forced to carry rapist babies to term.

Sorry, but I can't help thinking that if the situation was reversed and men could get pregnant and were getting raped by women millions of times a year, they would never stand for this.  But they expect women to.  And in some states, rapists who father children are given parental rights.  It's obscene what men demand of women.

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18 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I linked to more than one state that is already prosecuting women for miscarriages.

If it's the one I'm thinking of, that only appears to be the case in the click bait title. Add a little context and that not exactly what it shows.

It's referencing cases involving illicit drug use.

This one, right?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59214544

"Substance use during pregnancy is considered child abuse under civil child-welfare statutes in 23 states, according to the Guttmacher Institute, a pro-choice research institute."

 

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