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11 minutes ago, West said:

Barry politicized the court more than any other president in us history.. a litmus test for liberal causes... thats why loons like Hirono ask some vile question

What a ridiculous lie considering the current situation amd all the recent conservative decisions they’ve been ramming through at warp speed

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1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

What a ridiculous lie considering the current situation amd all the recent conservative decisions they’ve been ramming through at warp speed

Only undoing the politicization of the court and restoring legislative authority back to the states. 

If you want to live in a state which allows baby murder, vote in politicians who support baby murder.

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1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

You guys are getting stupider and stupider. What a dumbass question.

OMG, you're rubbing off on us!

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First I don’t fully support the Azov batallion. I support Ukraine. If China invaded Canada I imagine Canadian nazi groups would fight against China as would you. That doesn’t make you pro-nazi.

Can you say that it's disgusting that Ukraine has a Nazi battalion, and that the Russians were correct in saying so?

Can you admit that the Russians were correct about Ukraine's crimes against humanity in Donbas?

Can you admit that it is a complete act of hostility against Russia that the US and Ukraine were conducting joint bioweapons research in labs in Ukraine until the war broke out? 

You absolutely do support the Azovs because you've never denounced them and you never denounced the Ukranian gov't for allowing them to exist. 

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Second even if I did support Azov battalion for some strange reason  that still wouldn’t mean I support people being forced to make hate material against their will.

We all have different ideas of what constitutes hate material. Democrats go so far as to encourage rioting, looting and arson, what is more hateful than calls to violence? People in Iran support terrorism. People in the US support bloody regime changes. People in the US support war to disarm nuclear Cuba but they're against Russia's war to keep NATO missiles out of Ukraine. What's 'hate'? 

People who work for NYC had to paint "BLM" on the street. That meets the exact definition of being forced to make hate material. Was it wrong to make people do that? 

Is it ok to say "burn down some more buildings and assault/kill some more civilians" but not "bake that hate cake"? 

What's worse, forcing someone to make a cake or forcing someone to inject a substance which is known to be harmful into their body? 

I happen to know the answers to all of these questions, and it sounds a lot like "Don't slither around making bullshit laws and forcing people to do things with no good or legal reason."

Businesses actually have the legal right to define what they do or don't create. I can't tell a welder to make me something that they just don't want to make. They can tell me to fuck off and legally, I have to fuck off. 

It's wrong to encourage violence and destruction.

It's wrong to force people to inject harmful chemicals into their body for no good reason. 

It's all pretty simple, but leftists try to slither around and legalize things that they like and criminalize the same actions when they don't like them for political reasons.

Leftists are disgusting, stupid hypocrites. 

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19 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Yeah because abortion and speeding are the same thing. How fucking dumb is your argument. The courts decide what limits are reasonable and what isnt and they have repeatedly ruled that being forced to carry a pregnancy and give birth against your will is a significant infringement on life and liberty especially when it puts the mothers own life is at risk.
 

Whereas any intelligent person can understand that being forced to drive at a slower speed under threat of small fine is clearly not an infringement on your liberty that violates the constitution. 

Not dumb at all. Both laws infringe on some aspects of your "liberty". 

Some states have no speed limits at all on freeways. You vote for people depending on what limits you want in society. Some don't want baby murder and can vote their conscience.

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20 minutes ago, West said:

Probably because it's been 5-4 liberal activists vs. Originalists on the SC.. 

Barry politicized the court more than any other president in us history.. a litmus test for liberal causes... thats why loons like Hirono ask some vile questions

Trump's candidates deliberately misled Congress about RvW during their hearings. You obviously like SCJ's who lie under oath. But I guess trifles like that don't matter to the cult.

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1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

Fact:

 

Republican states have the worst infant mortality rates:

 

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Fact: Republican states have the worst maternal mortality rates

 

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Pro-life my ass

Dude, you're just colouring now. Since when is colouring a fact? Or a stat? 

Did you go to Crayola U? Did you get a Bachelor of Colerin'?

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Just now, Aristides said:

Trump's candidates deliberately misled Congress about RvW during their hearings. You obviously like SCJ's who lie.

If they actually lied you'd like them more. You'd be able to relate to them better. 

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1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Trump's candidates deliberately misled Congress about RvW during their hearings. You obviously like SCJ's who lie under oath. But I guess trifles like that don't matter to the cult.

That's bs and we all know it. 

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9 minutes ago, West said:

Not dumb at all. Both laws infringe on some aspects of your "liberty". 

Some states have no speed limits at all on freeways. You vote for people depending on what limits you want in society. Some don't want baby murder and can vote their conscience.

Its completely dumb and you’re just doubling down on it now. It’s now double-dumb. 
 

Also as a point of fact there are no states without speed limits. 

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8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Dude, you're just colouring now. Since when is colouring a fact? Or a stat? 

Did you go to Crayola U? Did you get a Bachelor of Colerin'?

The truth hurts so you make jokes….schooling jokes from a high school dropout no less….


Here are the links to what are already well reported publicly known facts  

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_infant_mortality_rates

 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_mortality_in_the_United_States

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25 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Yeah because abortion and speeding are the same thing.

The SC did overstate their authority in Roe V. Wade, even Justice Ginsberg said exactly as much.

Roe V. Wade wasn't based on the constitution or any laws currently on the books, it was a Frankenstein's monster compilation of "We think that if you combine our personal interpretation of this plus that plus that plus that plus part of that, it can only mean one thing." It was an unconstitutional farce. The SC basically created a law by their own interpretation of other laws. That's not allowed. Abortion is too complex of an issue to be decided by a wigged oligarchy.

Legislators make laws, not judges. That's what the word legislator actually means. Once the laws are created, the SCJs have to abide by the new laws, unless the laws are actually in violation of the constitution in some way. Then it's back to square 1. 

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11 minutes ago, Aristides said:

They were televised.

You do realize that Roe never gave an absolute right to an abortion right? 

"The Court also held that the right to abortion is not absolute and must be balanced against the government's interests in protecting women's health and prenatal life."

 

So how did they lie? The case here determines states can implement limitations on abortion. 

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8 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The truth hurts so you make jokes….schooling jokes from a high school dropout no less….


Here are the links to what are already well reported publicly known facts  

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_infant_mortality_rates

 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_mortality_in_the_United_States

The difference between 3rd and 17th pace is 1.2/1000. Are you really trying to make a case of this? 

Do you know what your chances of being murdered in all those states is? Your chance of growing to be 18 years old, and not being incarcerated for more than a decade, is far higher in GOP states. That's why leftists are moving to them. 

Sorry that you failed your way out of Jr High but don't worry, stupidity and lying aren't barriers to success or we wouldn't have Trudeau, Freeland, Biden and Harris running NA. 

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33 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Its completely dumb and you’re just doubling down on it now. It’s now double-dumb. 
 

Also as a point of fact there are no states without speed limits. 

Nope. 

If you actually bothered to read the Roe ruling you'd know they never determined an absolute right to an abortion therefore my example of speeding is fitting even if you don't understand it.

And yes there are. Montana has no speed limits

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1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Perhaps we need to rethink this. Abortion can be allowed if a gun is used.

Yeah you got something there. Force women to give birth, THEN shoot the baby after when pro-lifers don't give a flying fuck about it's welfare.

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People say that this doesn't really change anything. You can still travel to another state to have an abortion if your state doesn't allow it.

Other people say that not all people have this option. It is a vast country and not all people can afford to travel.

I know America is big but Is this really a common problem that it's not possible to travel? 

When Ireland was still very anti-abortion and when young girls went to England to get an abortion that could get them in trouble with the law when they returned. Therefore many of them didn't return.

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1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Fact:

 

Republican states have the worst infant mortality rates:

 

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Fact: Republican states have the worst maternal mortality rates

 

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Pro-life my ass

Aren't most of those states considered poor compared to the rest? Not the best health care in those states?

With abortion isn't the infant mortality rate 100%?

 

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1 hour ago, West said:

You do realize that Roe never gave an absolute right to an abortion right? 

"The Court also held that the right to abortion is not absolute and must be balanced against the government's interests in protecting women's health and prenatal life."

 

So how did they lie? The case here determines states can implement limitations on abortion. 

Gorsech

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"So a good judge will consider it as precedent of the US Supreme Court worthy as treatment of precedent like any other,"

Coney Barret

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What I will commit is that I will obey all the rules of stare decisis, 

Kavanaugh

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During his confirmation hearing, Kavanaugh said the decision was an "important precedent" that has been "reaffirmed many times."

 

Roberts

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During his confirmation hearing, Roberts said the 1973 landmark decision was "settled as a precedent of the court." 

"I do think that it is a jolt to the legal system when you overrule a precedent. Precedent plays an important role in promoting stability and even-handedness," he told the Senate at the time. 

 

 

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40 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

People say that this doesn't really change anything. You can still travel to another state to have an abortion if your state doesn't allow it.

Other people say that not all people have this option. It is a vast country and not all people can afford to travel.

I know America is big but Is this really a common problem that it's not possible to travel? 

When Ireland was still very anti-abortion and when young girls went to England to get an abortion that could get them in trouble with the law when they returned. Therefore many of them didn't return.

If you are poor, travel is a luxury others do. That's who this will impact. People with money will be fine, but they always are under Republicans.

Ireland has entered the 21st century as the US regresses to the 19th century.

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4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

If you are poor, travel is a luxury others do. That's who this will impact. People with money will be fine, but they always are under Republicans.

Ireland has entered the 21st century as the US regresses to the 19th century.

Perhaps travelling is not the issue but some states are very reluctant to offer medical services to people who don't live in those states and therefore people would have to resort to private medical services which are absolutely out of the range of affordability for many people.

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13 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

Perhaps travelling is not the issue but some states are very reluctant to offer medical services to people who don't live in those states and therefore people would have to resort to private medical services which are absolutely out of the range of affordability for many people.

The US does not have universal health care, federal or state. Per capita, it is the most expensive health care in the world by far, 53% more than #2 Switzerland. 140% more than Finland. About 30 million Americans do not have insurance.

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On 6/25/2022 at 5:25 PM, herbie said:

Such fucked argument.

Proclaiming "God given rights" in the prelude, yet only those written down centuries ago are valid. Yet men claiming the right to decide what women can do with their bodies is in neither.

Praising that "rights" can differ from place to place and still call it a nation...

Quoting Biblical bullshit, calling women with unwanted pregnancies sluts even thinking 'not fucking' is the solution, well DUH.

No matter how high you estimate the number of stupid people there are, the actual number is far higher.

there is no right to an abortion

and certainly not a God given right to one

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There really is some sort of a cultural difference here. Poland is just about the only country in Europe these days that gets riled up about abortion. Even Ireland legalised abortion some years ago. Elsewhere in Europe it a non-issue.

Btw, people who support Russia against Ukraine saying that Russia is based and supports traditional values seem to forget that Russia has probably the highest abortion-rate in the world. More than half of pregnancies are terminated.

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