West Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Who cares what Pixie-Dust thinks. The twit thinks it's "horrific" that abortion goes to states for decision. He's more of a rule by decree type dictator.. actually allowing the people to govern themselves isn't an acceptable view 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Mayers Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 37 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Pretty ironic that you would make this claim while celebrating Republicans overturning a half century of legal precedent. It’s clearly Republicans who have moved away from the centre….at least on this issue. As you said, they’ve move away from their roots. They are no longer the party of choice for southern conservatives, Dem support for Civil Rights being the reason. The property that politically appealled to the Democrats in the South was based upon arguing for segregate cultures (like our 'mosaic') where many believed genetics were default to pass on one's 'culture'. The original Republicans supported the intellectual ideal of "philosopher king" but turned it into an 'inherent' property. [So the 'sucessful' by standards of wealth is proof of the selective 'intellect' today on the Right. While the Democrats no longer interpret the NEGATIVE stereotypes as being permitted, they still hold hypocritically onto self-asserted POSITIVE stereotypes of such cultures. Biased wealth is the standard 'wisdom' for republican inheritance; Biased culture is the standard 'wisdom' for Democrats. Both are flawed to similar extent and support some form of dangerous biases that seem to change over time even where the underlying roots stay the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 59 minutes ago, Aristides said: I have nothing but contempt for men who think it is their god given right to rule women. This is one of your Democratic supporters. So according to your side it's not just about women. The great AOC herself also stated that gender is fluid. There are all kinds of opinions coming out now but it seems that the abortion debate will be left up to the states to decide. Democratic states will continue to promote abortion, especially in black and brown neighborhoods it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Mayers Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Aristides said: I have nothing but contempt for men who think it is their god given right to rule women. Although I share your intentional sentiment, the problem is that the component of dominance on 'our' side has those who have the presumption that "women think it is their god given right to rule women."! That is, the powerful countercomponent for the general 'left' is arrogantly wanting to trade one extreme for another as though men and women are exclusive domains ...exclusive victims....exclusive perpetrators. The logical problem at issue in GENERAL is "X thinks it is their god given right to rule women." or...as an extension, that "X thinks is it their god given right to rule Y", where X or Y can be either (all) "Men" or (all) "Women. The lack of direct quantifying hides that the particular mention of men or women are about only SPECIFIC subsets of people REGARDLESS of sex! We don't need to trade Patriarchy with Matriarchy; both are extremes dominating the political spectra. Edited June 25, 2022 by Scott Mayers emphasized and underlined content Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Mayers Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, Scott Mayers said: Although I share your intentional sentiment, the problem is that the component of dominance on 'our' side has those who have the presumption that "women think it is their god given right to rule women."! That is, the powerful countercomponent for the general 'left' is arrogantly wanting to trade one extreme for another as though men and women are exclusive domains ...exclusive victims....exclusive perpetrators. The logical problem at issue in GENERAL is "X thinks it is their god given right to rule women." or...as an extension, that "X thinks is it their god given right to rule Y", where X or Y can be either (all) "Men" or (all) "Women. The lack of direct quantifying hides that the particular mention of men or women are about only SPECIFIC subsets of people REGARDLESS of sex! We don't need to trade Patriarchy with Matriarchy; both are extremes dominating the political spectra. P.S. Note that regardless of the four different ways you replace the X or Y to either "(all) men" or "(all) women", the logical problem is not the particular constants you replace these variables with but with the fact that anyone believing that one particlar sex should rule over ANY sex as a whole, whether their own sex or others, automatically implies controlling BOTH by ONE sex ONLY. So you cannot have anyone speaking for a whole sex as though the members are universal participants in some grand conspiracy somehow passed on through our genes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Scott Mayers said: P.S. Note that regardless of the four different ways you replace the X or Y to either "(all) men" or "(all) women", the logical problem is not the particular constants you replace these variables with but with the fact that anyone believing that one particlar sex should rule over ANY sex as a whole, whether their own sex or others, automatically implies controlling BOTH by ONE sex ONLY. So you cannot have anyone speaking for a whole sex as though the members are universal participants in some grand conspiracy somehow passed on through our genes. you are the one saying only women's opinions count while pretending others are advocating for men ruling over women yet you are advocating for women ruling over men hypocritical lefties abound, who knew? there are plenty of women who don't support Roe v Wade contrary to your portrayal of the pro life position being men making decisions for women Edited June 25, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 hours ago, sharkman said: Just as many conservative women want to “rule” women, as conservative men. That’s because this issue is bigger than a particular sex. Cause women need to be ruled. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Aristides said: Cause women need to be ruled. Got it. the pro abortion crowd are in fact the only ones who want another person's life to be ruled over by others so they should really stop throwing stones from a glass house about it Edited June 25, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: the pro abortion crowd are in fact the only ones who want another person's life to be ruled over by others so they should really stop throwing stones from a glass house about it Pro choice asshole, there is a difference. You idiots go on about choice when it comes to things like guns, vaccines and mandates but have no problem taking away other peoples choices. You are just a bunch of misogynist hypocrites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Aristides said: Pro choice asshole, there is a difference. You idiots go on about choice when it comes to things like guns, vaccines and mandates but have no problem taking away other peoples choices. You are just a bunch of misogynist hypocrites. nope pro choice is anti choice for the unborn baby they want it's life ruled over they have no high ground about not wanting people's lives controlled by others and them pretending they do by taking the baby's life out of the equation is asinine Edited June 25, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 8 hours ago, sharkman said: So expect a flurry of lawsuits and no doubt the Supremes will fast track such cases to close loopholes. Is there a statute of limitations on murder? How long until some state charges anyone who's ever had an abortion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, eyeball said: Is there a statute of limitations on murder? How long until some state charges anyone who's ever had an abortion? that's not gonna happen even in the most anti-abortion states and if it did, hypothetically they don't have the jurisdiction to charge anyone outside the state anyway Edited June 25, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 9 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: OK...but several Canadian provinces have already done this for decades, particulary for easy access to abortions. Thousands of Canadian women sought abortions in the U.S. each year because of this. This is something I need to give a shit about? Not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: that's not gonna happen even in the most anti-abortion states and if it did, hypothetically they don't have the jurisdiction anyway Oh well I guess the effing supremes and their political bosses will just have to do something about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: Oh well I guess the effing supremes and their political bosses will just have to do something about that. no the states can do something about it that's all the SCOTUS ruled it's not a federal issue anymore which is as it should be Edited June 25, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: no the states can do something about it that's all the SCOTUS ruled it's not a federal issue anymore which is as it should be No it's still the same old political issue it always was. American right-wing conservatives are just about the biggest shit-disturbers on the planet. Fucking assholes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: nope pro choice is anti choice for the unborn baby they want it's life ruled over they have no high ground about not wanting people's lives controlled by others and them pretending they do by taking the baby's life out of the equation is asinine You want to make everyones choices. As long as they don't effect you of course. Edited June 25, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, eyeball said: No it's still the same old political issue it always was. American right-wing conservatives are just about the biggest shit-disturbers on the planet. Fucking assholes. nope states issue now just as it was prior to 1973 the assholes are the ones who want the federal government to decide for the states not the ones who want the states to decide for themselves Edited June 25, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Aristides said: You want to make everyones choices. As long as they don't effect you of course. you want to make the states choices for them I don't you have no moral high ground particularly on me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Mayers Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: 1 hour ago, Scott Mayers said: P.S. Note that regardless of the four different ways you replace the X or Y to either "(all) men" or "(all) women", the logical problem is not the particular constants you replace these variables with but with the fact that anyone believing that one particlar sex should rule over ANY sex as a whole, whether their own sex or others, automatically implies controlling BOTH by ONE sex ONLY. So you cannot have anyone speaking for a whole sex as though the members are universal participants in some grand conspiracy somehow passed on through our genes. you are the one saying only women's opinions count while pretending others are advocating for men ruling over women yet you are advocating for women ruling over men hypocritical lefties abound, who knew? there are plenty of women who don't support Roe v Wade contrary to your portrayal of the pro life position being men making decisions for women Edited 1 hour ago by Yzermandius19 Bullshit. If you interpreted me as supporting the 'woke' extremes, you don't know me. Most here are intentionally defining these issues as due to something only coinciding with the Left wing ideology when it is only a coincidence of the 'conservativist' ideals being countered by "conservative" alternates among the Left, something that is inevitable of groups regardless. Since any 'majority' defines the power of some class, the tendency of a voice for individuals anywhere but on the 'conservative right' get to be heard because where the Right is predominantly run by a majority of white males (a fact, not a trivial opinion), then those on the Left who thinks the same way but LACK being in power of the same majority on the Right, will take notice among the Left over any individual there. Thus, the collective of all non-White conservatism will rule on the Left even though they are personally 'conservative'. Thus, the conservatives are fighting against ALTERNATIVE conservatives when they paint the "liberal' side as being at fault. They are only reflecting how cults, like possibly your own,. get to be HEARD predomiinantly as speaking for whole sexes where they are inappropriately stereotyping. And your own stereotpying is demonstrating this. I am telling you clearly that I DO NOT FAVOR any sex getting privilege to defining anything about themselves OR their complementary sex as though they are univeral representatives, especially through any government actions that define 'cultural' phenomena as co-equal to 'genetics'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 What I find to be the dumbest pro abortion argument is the one that says folks will have abortions anyway therefore it should be legal. People murder as well even though it's illegal. Should murder also be legal? What about speeding? Not wearing a seatbelt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Aristides said: Cause women need to be ruled. Got it. Wow, you’ve got a really big hang up there, are you a man hater? right now, all woman are “ruled” and all men are ruled. Get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Scott Mayers said: Bullshit. If you interpreted me as supporting the 'woke' extremes, you don't know me. Most here are intentionally defining these issues as due to something only coinciding with the Left wing ideology when it is only a coincidence of the 'conservativist' ideals being countered by "conservative" alternates among the Left, something that is inevitable of groups regardless. Since any 'majority' defines the power of some class, the tendency of a voice for individuals anywhere but on the 'conservative right' get to be heard because where the Right is predominantly run by a majority of white males (a fact, not a trivial opinion), then those on the Left who thinks the same way but LACK being in power of the same majority on the Right, will take notice among the Left over any individual there. Thus, the collective of all non-White conservatism will rule on the Left even though they are personally 'conservative'. Thus, the conservatives are fighting against ALTERNATIVE conservatives when they paint the "liberal' side as being at fault. They are only reflecting how cults, like possibly your own,. get to be HEARD predomiinantly as speaking for whole sexes where they are inappropriately stereotyping. And your own stereotpying is demonstrating this. I am telling you clearly that I DO NOT FAVOR any sex getting privilege to defining anything about themselves OR their complementary sex as though they are univeral representatives, especially through any government actions that define 'cultural' phenomena as co-equal to 'genetics'. 6-3 SCOTUS it's a states issue now the Republicans aren't trying to force their abortion rules preferences on Blue States it's the Democrats who are trying to force their abortion rules preferences on Red States though the left are now whining that they can't force their bullshit on Red States anymore the right are not doing the same to Blue States these are the facts and they do not support any attempts to create a false equivalency nor do they support attempts to portray the Republicans as the bad actors of the bunch on this Edited June 25, 2022 by Yzermandius19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: you want to make the states choices for them I don't you have no moral high ground particularly on me The Supreme Court violated actual constitutionally protected rights, namely the state's ability to set their own laws in exchange for a made up right to an abortion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 38 minutes ago, eyeball said: This is something I need to give a shit about? Not. Right...it only matters to you if it happens in another country...got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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