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3 hours ago, Aristides said:

There are Neo-Nazis in Canada who would form their own battalions if they could get away with it. The Donbas is important because it is the Ukraine's industrial heartland, not because Putin cares about Russians. Reality is not my issue.

Lol...reality is not your forte.

Battalions of Canadian Neo-Nazis, roaming from one Tim Horton's to another, making sure the cream in the Boston Creams is fresh and the coffee is hot and strong. No wimpy coffee for Canadians boy!

The Donbas is being blasted to shit by a bunch of self-proclaimed Neo-Nazis...since 2014.

I don't give a rat's ass why Putin invaded to be honest. I don't give him a pass. He's a dictatorial dick as well. What bothers me is the wild and blind support of one dick against another dick...who happens to have a rather concerning nuclear arsenal. 

This is a dick flapping contest we have no skin in. In fact to the west, Russia is WAY more valuable a dick than is Ukraine. 

But of course..."RUSSIA BAD!"

Isn't it about time to put your big boy pants on?

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Whatever comrade. Putin is a gangster and he has been a disaster for Russia. Russia's GDP is forecast to lose 11% this year and it was already smaller than Canada's in spite of having almost four times the population. Like every dictator in history,  he needs to create enemies to keep attention from his  domestic failures and people like you just keep falling for this crap.

A former KGB colonel and so called "politician" doesn't become one of the richest men in the world because he is looking out for others. FFS, wake up.

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10 hours ago, Aristides said:

Whatever comrade. Putin is a gangster and he has been a disaster for Russia. Russia's GDP is forecast to lose 11% this year and it was already smaller than Canada's in spite of having almost four times the population. Like every dictator in history,  he needs to create enemies to keep attention from his  domestic failures and people like you just keep falling for this crap.

A former KGB colonel and so called "politician" doesn't become one of the richest men in the world because he is looking out for others. FFS, wake up.

Whatever???

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I don't give a rat's ass why Putin invaded to be honest. I don't give him a pass. He's a dictatorial dick as well. What bothers me is the wild and blind support of one dick against another dick...who happens to have a rather concerning nuclear arsenal. 

This is a dick flapping contest we have no skin in. In fact to the west, Russia is WAY more valuable a dick than is Ukraine. 

But of course..."RUSSIA BAD!"

Isn't it about time to put your big boy pants on?

And your answer is "Whatever"???

So you don't really have a point to make except that "RUSSIA BAD!"

Why don't you stop rubbing yourself blind, and READ THE GAWD DAMN POSTS AND FACTS OF THE MATTER?

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1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Whatever???

I repeat...

And your answer is "Whatever"???

So you don't really have a point to make except that "RUSSIA BAD!"

Why don't you stop rubbing yourself blind, and READ THE GAWD DAMN POSTS AND FACTS OF THE MATTER?

Putin is just another despot in an almost constant stream of dictators and despots that have ruled Russia since Ivan the Terrible. Russians love a strong man and put Putin where he is and have kept him there. Ukraine has had five presidents since Putin came to power. For all its faults at least Ukraine is trying to be a democracy. So yes, RUSSIA BAD.

Facts do matter and some people learn nothing from history.

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39 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Putin is just another despot in an almost constant stream of dictators and despots that have ruled Russia since Ivan the Terrible. Russians love a strong man and put Putin where he is and have kept him there. Ukraine has had five presidents since Putin came to power. For all its faults at least Ukraine is trying to be a democracy. So yes, RUSSIA BAD.

Facts do matter and some people learn nothing from history.

How very interestingly shallow of you.

OK understood.

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57 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You understand so little.

Except I understand that there's more to this than simply..."RUSSIA BAD!".

Which means your "understanding" is...rather shallow.

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3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Except I understand that there's more to this than simply..."RUSSIA BAD!".

Which means your "understanding" is...rather shallow.

Not really, Ukraine didn't invade anyone. Ukraine hasn't been taking territory from other countries. Ukraine hasn't been bombing the crap out of civilian populations like Russia has in Ukraine and Chechnya. Ukrainian leaders haven't been murdering and jailing their political opponents and critics regardless of where they live. Today's Russia and its leaders are toxic.

The fact Sweden is seriously considering abandoning over 200 years of neutrality and joining NATO should give you some sort of a clue.

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1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Not really, Ukraine didn't invade anyone. Ukraine hasn't been taking territory from other countries. Ukraine hasn't been bombing the crap out of civilian populations like Russia has in Ukraine and Chechnya. Ukrainian leaders haven't been murdering and jailing their political opponents and critics regardless of where they live. Today's Russia and its leaders are toxic.

The fact Sweden is seriously considering abandoning over 200 years of neutrality and joining NATO should give you some sort of a clue.

I don't blame Sweden. It looks like every western nation will have to pick a side. That's sad IMO.

Ukraine has a rather toxic leader too. His military is full of Neo-Nazis. They attacked the Donbass territories after the people of Donbas VOTED to become independent states. These people don't want to be Ukrainian. Just like the Crimeans didn't want to be Ukrainians. But to you its all too simple...RUSSIA BAD!

Ya buddy...Russia IS bad...compared to our culture. They have a very different culture. Different values. Every bit as fiercely patriotic as you may be. Good cuisine too...

As our society polarizes, it becomes ever more apparent who among us will seek answers when things don't ring true, those who will say whatever it takes to cover up inconvenient truths, and those who merrily follow whoever happens to have the soapbox at any given time. The third group is who fascinate me. I get the Mikies and Moonies of this site. They actually make sense to me. But people like you I just find fascinating. Your "leaders" lie right to your face, and you nod your heads, like that Li'l doggie that was in the back window of my Grandfather's old Buick, and go along with any old rotten fish.

Understand...the Ukrainian military is full of Neo-Nazis who attacked Donbas in 2014. This "war" has been going on for that long. Should the Russians have invaded? Likely not. But none of that excuses the TRUTH of the matter and most certainly does not make Zelinsky a "good guy". IMO...Zelinsky and Putin deserve each other. And that's based on time and effort to learn all points of view and the history of the participants. Not just..."RUSSIA BAD!"

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8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I don't blame Sweden. It looks like every western nation will have to pick a side. That's sad IMO.

Ukraine has a rather toxic leader too. His military is full of Neo-Nazis. They attacked the Donbass territories after the people of Donbas VOTED to become independent states. These people don't want to be Ukrainian. Just like the Crimeans didn't want to be Ukrainians. But to you its all too simple...RUSSIA BAD!

Ya buddy...Russia IS bad...compared to our culture. They have a very different culture. Different values. Every bit as fiercely patriotic as you may be. Good cuisine too...

As our society polarizes, it becomes ever more apparent who among us will seek answers when things don't ring true, those who will say whatever it takes to cover up inconvenient truths, and those who merrily follow whoever happens to have the soapbox at any given time. The third group is who fascinate me. I get the Mikies and Moonies of this site. They actually make sense to me. But people like you I just find fascinating. Your "leaders" lie right to your face, and you nod your heads, like that Li'l doggie that was in the back window of my Grandfather's old Buick, and go along with any old rotten fish.

Understand...the Ukrainian military is full of Neo-Nazis who attacked Donbas in 2014. This "war" has been going on for that long. Should the Russians have invaded? Likely not. But none of that excuses the TRUTH of the matter and most certainly does not make Zelinsky a "good guy". IMO...Zelinsky and Putin deserve each other. And that's based on time and effort to learn all points of view and the history of the participants. Not just..."RUSSIA BAD!"

Sweden hasn't picked a side any European war since Napoleon. It hasn't even been part of an alliance let alone gone to war.

 

The Donbas referendum hasn't been recognized as legitimate by any country other than Russia. And you of course. 

Donbas is part of Ukraine, not Russia.

"The Ukrainian military is full of Neo-Nazis" According to who, Russia? 

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5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Sweden hasn't picked a side any European war since Napoleon. It hasn't even been part of an alliance let alone gone to war.

 

The Donbas referendum hasn't been recognized as legitimate by any country other than Russia. And you of course. 

Donbas is part of Ukraine, not Russia.

"The Ukrainian military is full of Neo-Nazis" According to who, Russia? 

Sweden sent soldiers to Finland in WWII.

Ukraine became a country in 1991. The USSR was falling apart and they had a "referendum". 90% voted to become independent from the USSR, yet they maintained their communist government and became military allies with Russia. That 10% which voted against the "referendum", were primarily in Crimea and the Donbas region. Crimea and Donbas held a "referendum" in 2014 and voted to separate from this new country because they were more Russian than Ukrainian. Shortly there after, the Donbas region was attacked by the Azovs. These Azovs have been bombing the hell out of them ever since. Crimea is now a Russian ally.

This is the timeline of the region. It is inescapable. BTW...

https://torontosun.com/news/national/defence-watch/canada-failed-when-it-trained-ukrainian-troops-linked-to-the-far-right-says-nazi-hunter/wcm/87a9696c-8a27-443e-b700-c76887f82340

https://tempoweb.ca/canadian-officials-who-met-with-azovs-battalion-fear-the-public-will-find-out/

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Swedish volunteers served with the Finish Armed forces during the Winter War when Finland was invaded by guess who. Swedish armed forces were not involved other than accidentally losing equipment across the Finish border. 

Donbas is part of Ukraine. Ukraine did not attack itself.

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So why didn't Russia confine its military operations to the Donbas? What justification did they have to attack every major Ukraine population centre and create nearly 6 million refugees, displace nearly 8 million more and counting. Yes, Russia bad.

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On 5/2/2022 at 11:55 PM, Infidel Dog said:

Only by historians and other rational investigators.

There are some conspiracy style theories with a lot of 'may haves' but no smoking gun evidence.

 

I didn't learn this from anyone AGAINST the Jews but by those who were pointing out the irony of Hitler supposedly being 'absolute' about the eugenics they were excusing a 'genetic' inferiority as an excuse for the genocide. This is the first time I EVER heard that this was 'not' the case. But it is nevertheless irrelevant. Israel was the one complaining about the comments of the Russian. What is missing is context and the fact that Israel IS 'fascist' by definition, contrary to the religious wanting to overlook this fact. This is NOT a conspiracy theory but is being touted as such BY those attempting to DEFLECT others from daring to notice this corruption. 

We don't know if that minister was pointing out the association to the Zionists (their fasci) versus one merely being Jewish. Did the accusation of the minister assert "Nazi" or "National Socialist"? And if he asserted Ukraine's Zelinski as "Nazi", given that is only the German label for "National Socialism" (the extended belief that one's fasci is not confined to one's borders), then it is relatively reasonable to use such rhetorical comparison to the very contradiction of Israel's own belief in that extreme. Why should the Russian representative NOT defend the claims they assert of Zelinski's association if they sincerely believe it? That is, why should Israel or ANYONE expect the Russian represenstative to hide Putin's belief or be 'politically correct' by some standard of etiquette? Why should WE agree that some 'apology' is needed to Israel given they are in essence DENYING Zelinski's association of being Jewish as relating to Isreal's actual National Socialist constitution. 

"Fascism" is the belief that one should embrace one's 'cultural' association in a political way (not unlike our own country's insistence on this) and "National Socialism" adds that this goes beyond the mere borders of a particular country, as a "nationality' or our modern term for this, as "ethnicity".

The fact is that Israel should NOT be the ones to speak on this OR they actually are arrogantly believing that they really DO have some belief that they are Superior by a religious standard that they EXPECT all others to respect, indirectly SUPPORTING the accusation. If Zelinski is NOT associated, he nor the rest of us should welcome Isreal's input on the matter.  They are only fueling the flames and are just reflecting their own hatred. They seem to presume that their own fascism is somehow distinctively immune or exceptional given the Christian world accepts them as the Biblical 'Chosen people' of God (and thus 'superior' by Nature's standard). While the "Holocaust" is wrong and Russia's own behavior is apparently genocidal, ANYONE who aligns themselves to some tribalist belief who isolates themselves as 'distinct' apart from one's individual choice to SELECT one's own 'culture' apart from any genetic association is racist and if not overtly willing to do what Hitler did, will still believe in the same EFFECT of annihilating those they hate INDIRECTLY regardless. Making their enemies starve or suffer by overtly walling them in, occupying strategic grounds and assuring their economic failure may not be overty the same as the Holocaust, but they are worse in kind by how they are just better at hiding HOW they 'purge' the non-Jewish Palestinians from the territory they stole from them. 

And if YOU side with them in kind, I question your own logic or integrity. The Russians already told us they think that Zelinski is a 'fascist' prior to this comment. And so if they are lying, we already presumed it by our defence of the Ukraines. As such, this news is innappropriate PROPAGANDA against the Russians in a counter attempt to basically call Russia 'Nazis' in kind. Two wrongs don't make a right. If it is inappropriate for Russia to excuse the war against the Ukraines based upon an assumption of them being aligned to Zionist fascism, we can't pretend that Zionist fascism doesn't exist but at best show how Zelinski is not Zionist. The delusion by Isreal is worse given we KNOW their political ideal for Palestine; we are STILL in the dark regarding Russian motives.

 

[My guess is that Russia isn't merly attempting to war with Ukraine personally but is trying to secure strategic locations and probably boldly pushing the world into war before they lose their only chance to gain ground if they waited. The effectiveness of the upcoming tech regarding 'deep fakes' is coming soon which will change how all of us could trust ANY news that is controlled by those who love censorship powers. The world is embracing a dangerous faith in 'wokeness' that contributes to fears everywhere. And the fact that Russia is targetted as though they are secretly 'masterminds' of computer tech to me is itself surprisingly 'counter-conspiratorial' and creating a justification for them to BECOME the feared conspirators the world has already been accusing them of. Once 'deep fakes' become viable, OUR OWN side WILL likely use it if we already haven't been. Note too that the Israelis are actually ahead on this and other computer and media related tech themselves and may relate to the fears of Zelinski's Jewish roots by Russia. ]

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Took me awhile to make sense of all those verbal acrobatics above but I think I've got it.

Near as I can figure you're telling us when Lavrov claimed "Hitler also had Jewish origins," he was not talking biological as most seem to have assumed. He was talking ideological.

Therefore there is nothing confusing about wanting to walk into the Ukraine and "denazify" it even though their President is a Jew. Because we can put all that Apocalypse nonsense to the side for a minute and when it might be more convenient to think of Nazis as simple fascists or national socialists with modified definitions. And those need to apply more to the democracy of Israel than Russia.

Is that about it? There's some heavy duty mental gymnastics required there, Bud, but thanks for the entertainment.

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2 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Took me awhile to make sense of all those verbal acrobatics above but I think I've got it.

Near as I can figure you're telling us when Lavrov claimed "Hitler also had Jewish origins," he was not talking biological as most seem to have assumed. He was talking ideological.

Therefore there is nothing confusing about wanting to walk into the Ukraine and "denazify" it even though their President is a Jew. Because we can put all that Apocalypse nonsense to the side for a minute and when it might be more convenient to think of Nazis as simple fascists or national socialists with modified definitions. And those need to apply more to the democracy of Israel than Russia.

Is that about it? There's some heavy duty mental gymnastics required there, Bud, but thanks for the entertainment.

Take a course on political philosophy maybe? Israel has a constitution that (1) defines itself as a particular ethnicity's domain with absolute priority., thus are 'fascist' and not merely a country defined by anyone who exists there, and (2) that the system is 'socially' defined democratic ONLY under that nationality with the added belief that they represent all the diaspera (thus, National Socialist). German Nazi party targetted the Jews for being in direct conflict of the same ideals. That is, Nazis were inspired to adopt the same extremes they perceived about Jewish isolationism (segregation) and purity of something 'genetic' given one can be Jewish while not be culturally defined as requiring the religion. 

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