2022 Federal budget

[Faramir]

7 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

No political party is in a position to run a surplus if they were in power. Canadians want government services but they don't want to pay for them. "Everyone wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die to get there."

Much of the recent deficit was due to covid. How do you get people to isolate without support?  Our current debt level can be traced back to that. Next, it will be defence spending. We are going to spend billions on a token force that will still be incapable of defending the nation. Canadians do not want to make the commitment to defend the country. Getting back into a surplus will take years. 

Nope I think the 11 billion to natives should be added to the military.

[Faramir]

50 minutes ago, West said:

We believe we have more control than we actually do. Some people are good at convincing you if you give them more of your money they'll solve it for you.

In any case it is not just a science matter but public policy.  How much will we warm in the next 20 years?  Is the net effect negative or positive?  Is it even significant?  If it is, is it worth the economic disaster caused by bad policy?

[Faramir]

49 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Try to get the greenies to explain all of earths ice ages? Covered in ice to the equators? What caused them.

Better yet, what caused all the ice to disappear and melt? Too many dinosaur farts?

Maybe there is an earth cycle that has something to do with global warming?

And Michael Mann has been exposed as a fraud.  As has phony Suzuki.

[Army Guy]

The announced defense spending was a huge let down, in everyway...Then Canadians should have the brains to research what that would mean, or what it would mean to simply trash the entire concept....But who is going to do all the jobs that have been dumped on the Military, SAR, major drug interdiction at sea and air, fishier patrols, assistance to Coast Guard, assistance for flood, forest fires, or any natural disasters, who is going to assist the RCMP when things get out of hand, like OKA....Or we should have the balls to simply pack it all in, if we are not going to train them, or equip them then we should not be allowed to use them in any military matter really ....modern equipment saves lives... why is that so hard to wrap our brains around....Canadian lives...and if they are not worth saving, none of us are worth saving..

But then again it is cheaper to bury them, than to equip them so they can come home to their families...

It is this thinking that makes me disappointed to be a Canadian...each year our government accepts thousands of new recruits, who bought into the idea, that they would be serving a larger than life organization one tasked with protecting our sovereignty, our foreign policies, every Canadian on the planet...they ask for little in return, but for most Canadians that is way to much, shit we can't even give our vets the same rights and benefits as every other Canadians already has...it is not that every Canadians does not know of their plight, becasue the media runs these stories routinely. It has to be they don't care, we have entered a era where we can spend 4 to 500 bil a year and not blink, but can not mange to slip in a few billion to look after vets, or throw them a bone and equip the military with a few modern toys so our sons and daughters can come back home...

[Army Guy]

6 hours ago, Jack9000 said:

i am looking forward to dental program or pharamacare programs because its long overdue even if i dont qualify for them i can only imagine how expensive dental is for someone on minamum wage .. 8b  On spending for defence is  nothing but a waste cause our defence will still be  useless.

Well the next Forrest fire or flood you can sit on top of your roof top and tell your self atleast i got good teeth...It still astonishes me how little Canadians know what their military does for them every day every hour....and it is not 8 bil, but 6.8 bil over 5 years...Our defense department is the way it is becasue that is exactly how Canadians think they want it...

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, cougar said:

It is fine to steal according to your government.  They steal the land of wildlife to then sell it to you.  

 

 

Humans are at the top of the food chain.  The planet and thousands of species will persist long past humanity.  Yes we want a nice environment, but we do it primarily to serve human interests.  

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

Well the next Forrest fire or flood you can sit on top of your roof top and tell your self atleast i got good teeth...It still astonishes me how little Canadians know what their military does for them every day every hour....and it is not 8 bil, but 6.8 bil over 5 years...Our defense department is the way it is becasue that is exactly how Canadians think they want it...

The Libs back end loaded it so most of the spending happens after the next election.  

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, Jack9000 said:

nope that raise goes in every january  if you followed the system you would know more :). and to be fair my old job was 9.5months and laid off for jan feb  and half of march  but company shut it down so had to accept  a 5 month job in same company .  not my fault its how the fishery works. the system is the system deal with it

Here is a new concept, just inland there are jobs not related to fishing industry, and i know this is going to shock you but they are year round..... It is your choice to live on the governments tits, that is on you...not the system, or the fishery.... we have freedom of movement in this country... you can move anytime you want... PS you're not entitled to a job in a preferred town or neighborhood, or industry... suck it up butter cup, get a moving van and move....

It is the systems fault, reach down between your legs and give those peanuts a squeeze, are you a man or a boy....step up be a man get off the government tits, we the rest of the taxpayers are getting tired of carrying your ass...ITS NOY MY FAULT...wtf...

[Jack9000]

29 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Here is a new concept, just inland there are jobs not related to fishing industry, and i know this is going to shock you but they are year round..... It is your choice to live on the governments tits, that is on you...not the system, or the fishery.... we have freedom of movement in this country... you can move anytime you want... PS you're not entitled to a job in a preferred town or neighborhood, or industry... suck it up butter cup, get a moving van and move....

It is the systems fault, reach down between your legs and give those peanuts a squeeze, are you a man or a boy....step up be a man get off the government tits, we the rest of the taxpayers are getting tired of carrying your ass...ITS NOY MY FAULT...wtf...

lol  nah  i aint gonna move my life when i am comfortable where i currently live at someone still has to do seasonal jobs  weather you like it or not .  thanks for your concern though

Edited April 7, 2022 by Jack9000

[Nefarious Banana]

22 minutes ago, Jack9000 said:

lol  nah  i aint gonna move my life when i am comfortable where i currently live at someone still has to do seasonal jobs  weather you like it or not .  thanks for your concern though

Parasite ?

[Army Guy]

48 minutes ago, Jack9000 said:

lol  nah  i aint gonna move my life when i am comfortable where i currently live at someone still has to do seasonal jobs  weather you like it or not .  thanks for your concern though

Why would you not be comfortable got a nice big government titty to suck on, and the rest of us caring you around  most of the year....you do know this is going to catch up with you sooner or later, BTW how is the retirement package, you get a pension for later... how about medical and dental insurance, i guess you have not planed that far... you go bro...you do you, your family must be proud, having you lay around on the couch all year...

[Jack9000]

4 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Why would you not be comfortable got a nice big government titty to suck on, and the rest of us caring you around  most of the year....you do know this is going to catch up with you sooner or later, BTW how is the retirement package, you get a pension for later... how about medical and dental insurance, i guess you have not planed that far... you go bro...you do you, your family must be proud, having you lay around on the couch all year...

lol you are so dramatic  like i said the country needs people who do seasonal jobs also deal with it.

[Army Guy]

1 minute ago, Jack9000 said:

lol you are so dramatic  like i said the country needs people who do seasonal jobs also deal with it.

Funney how most other seasonal workers work different jobs all year round...they like feeding families, and contributing.. the Maritimes are full of guys like you how ever , always chirping about hard working people, or not getting your share of government programs... I grew up with lots of guys like you, their either died fishing or moved on to bigger things in life, like real jobs...

[Jack9000]

15 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Funney how most other seasonal workers work different jobs all year round...they like feeding families, and contributing.. the Maritimes are full of guys like you how ever , always chirping about hard working people, or not getting your share of government programs... I grew up with lots of guys like you, their either died fishing or moved on to bigger things in life, like real jobs...

fishing industry is a real job  unless you dont wanna eat fish? lol.   go cry elsewhere i am tired of your maritime storys   . anyway this is about the budget so stop quoting me on this now lol.

Edited April 8, 2022 by Jack9000

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, cougar said:

If you can't determine what is causing climate change you can always ask God.

3% ??????  !!!!!!!! My God!  90% of all forests in the world are gone, we keep pumping carbon in the atmosphere at record ever increasing levels and you, the expert (can'r remember which number I had assigned to you)  are telling us it is 3% and the rest in natural !   WOW !

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Human CO2 is a tiny % of CO2 emissions

“The oceans contain 37,400 billion tons (GT) of suspended carbon, land biomass has 2000-3000 GT. The atpmosphere contains 720 billion tons of CO2 and humans contribute only 6 GT additional load on this ba

lance. The oceans, land and atpmosphere exchange CO2 continuously so the additional load by humans is incredibly small. A small shift in the balance between oceans and air would cause a CO2 much more severe rise than anything we could produce.” (Jeff Id)   Unquote

How do human CO2 emissions compare to natural CO2 emissions? (skepticalscience.com)

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Out of the entire atmospheric makeup, only one to two percent is made up of greenhouse gases with the majority being nitrogen (about 78 percent) and oxygen (about 21 percent). Of that two percent, “planet-killing” carbon dioxide comprises only 3.62 percent while water vapor encompasses 95 percent. And of the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, humans cause only 3.4 percent of annual CO2 emissions. What does this all boil down to? As shown by the accompanying graph, not very much.

Indeed, anthropogenic effects are real but carbon is such a small portion of the natural cycle, and let’s not forget both the sun and carbon are needed for natural cycles that are good for the earth such as photosynthesis—the process by which plants turn sunlight, water and carbon dioxide into carbohydrates. (For more, check out this Global Warming Primer published by the National Center for Policy Analysis.)

Perhaps the most alarming part is the price tag associated with attempting to reduce such a small part of the atmosphere and something we really cannot control. Our analysis shows the cumulative GDP losses for 2010 to 2029 approach $7 trillion. Single-year losses exceed $600 billion in 2029, more than $5,000 per house¬hold. Job losses are expected to exceed 800,000 in some years, and exceed at least 500,000 from 2015 through 2026. It is important to note that these are net job losses, after any jobs created by compliance with the regulations–so-called green jobs–are taken into account. In total, the “climate revenue” (read: energy tax) could approach two trillion over eight years. Keep in mind, this is all for negligible environmental benefits.

The science behind global warming is anything but conclusive. Many leading climatologists conclude that climate models aren’t incredibly accurate and even have different opinions (for instance whether it is the sun or oceanic changes) as to what the dominant causes are of global warming and cooling.

Nevertheless, it’s easy to pretend the science on global warming is conclusive when environmentalist extremists suppress dissenting opinions. Economist Walter Williams provides a few examples and draws an interesting parallel:

There’s a much more important issue that poses an even greater danger to mankind.    Unquote

Man’s Contribution to Global Warming (dailysignal.com)

You should try Google and learn a few basic facts before spouting nonsense.  Man's contribution is negligible.  You could easily have learned that long ago.  Ignorance is bliss.

 

Edited April 8, 2022 by blackbird

[Nefarious Banana]

54 minutes ago, Jack9000 said:

fishing industry is a real job . . . lol.   go cry elsewhere i am tired of your maritime storys   

A real 'role model' . . . . something to aspire to.  

Living off the avails . . . . 

Stand proud!

[cougar]

43 minutes ago, blackbird said:

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Human CO2 is a tiny % of CO2 emissions........blah blah blah

 

 

If you "quote"  this does not mean you are credible

You are just a sheep putting you trust into one of the two possibilities for climate change; the wrong one in your case.

Edited April 8, 2022 by cougar

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, cougar said:

If you "quote"  this does not mean you are credible

You are just a sheep putting you trust into one of the two possibilities for climate change; the wrong one in your case.

Now this is funny.

"I don't like the raw numbers and facts. We all gonna die unless we punish ourselves for being human."

What a twit...

[Army Guy]

15 hours ago, Jack9000 said:

fishing industry is a real job  unless you dont wanna eat fish? lol.   go cry elsewhere i am tired of your maritime storys   . anyway this is about the budget so stop quoting me on this now lol.

You should be tired of those stories , your in every one of them...And i do like fish eat it all the time, and when i want fish i go and get it, cause it's really not that hard.... we don't need no part timer crying in his soup how hard he worked, for 5 months, 60 hours a day, (you make it sound like that was some kind of hardship).... then took the rest of the year off, to watch porn on moms couch for 7 months... while real people who work real jobs full time for a lot less, truly struggle..

[Army Guy]

16 hours ago, Jack9000 said:

lol  nah  i aint gonna move my life when i am comfortable where i currently live at someone still has to do seasonal jobs  weather you like it or not .  thanks for your concern though

Not real concerned , thought your mom might like you out of the basement...

[cougar]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

"I don't like the raw numbers and facts. We all gonna die unless we punish ourselves for being human."

The cherry picked , twisted and manipulated numbers that cannot be called "facts"  ?

 

[Nefarious Banana]

18 hours ago, Jack9000 said:

fishing industry is a real job . . . . 

Seven months laying around collecting pogey . . . . . phone out for pizza. The rest of Canada will pick up the tab.

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Seven months laying around collecting pogey . . . . . phone out for pizza. The rest of Canada will pick up the tab.

Farming...forestry...tourism...retail... there's all sorts of seasonal employment where employers rely on EI to retain their work-forces.  These industries are all on Canada's tab too and they even get subsidies to boot.  Maybe they should be held responsible for subsidizing their employees thru their down seasons.

As for fishing, it was a lot easier to stay employed nearly year round in the old days but with the development of individual quotas and their inevitable concentration into fewer and fewer hands the opportunities have shrunk considerably along with the amount of time required to even qualify for EI.  The last year I fished I was paid .15 a lb for halibut the quota owner was paid $3.85. I handed him back the keys to his boat and said find someone else to catch your fish. Maybe he reasoned I could make up the difference in EI.  This is apparently how Canadians wanted to see their fisheries managed so... 

Fishermen are still an easy mark for people like yourself but there are so few left these days you're largely wasting your time and missing much larger marks.  As for me I switched to whale-watching and also earn enough from our AirBnb rental to disqualify me from EI.

Naturally, there are people who would like to see these occupations put out of business too. The more things change the more they stay the same.

I'll say one more thing, I sure wish I could get paid by the lb for whales some days!

One of the last loads of fish I ever delivered, a personal best and the boat record...35000 lbs in two days.  Occasionally came up two to a hook.

Edited April 9, 2022 by eyeball

[Nefarious Banana]

Cry the blues eyeball.  I logged for 43 years. Fished herring in the boom years.  Never out of work, always did something.

There's a pride in 'rowing your own boat' . . . . 

Lay around for seven months?  Pogey?  Fuck that!

 

[eyeball]

24 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Cry the blues eyeball.  I logged for 43 years. Fished herring in the boom years.  Never out of work, always did something.

There's a pride in 'rowing your own boat' . . . . 

Lay around for seven months?  Pogey?  Fuck that!

 

Yes, it was a lot easier to stay employed doing these in the old days, I worked 10 years in the bush myself.  No one's fished or processed a herring around here for decades now and you can count the number of loggers that are left on one hand.  Not much pogey around here either.  You seem more interested in nursing some old grudge against fishermen. Why not people who farm, work in the woods or other seasonal EI subsidized workers and industries?

AFAIC EI should be viewed as compensation for mismanaging the natural resources and industries out from under the feet of communities and people that relied on them.

Maybe I'd feel differently if a million bucks worth of quota fell into my lap and I got to lay around all year while people are paid a fraction of the per lb price to go earn my money.  I bet I'd be a hero in your eyes then.