Contrarian Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) Ok, so here is the Polish Secret Service not being able to screen a call, to the Polish president. Anyhow here it is: The Polish president spoke to a hoax caller pretending to be France’s Emmanuel Macron on the night that a missile hit a village near the Ukrainian border, his office has admitted. “Emmanuel, believe me, I am extra careful,” Duda tells the caller in a recording of the call posted on the internet. “I don’t want to have war with Russia and believe me, I am extra careful, extra careful.” Additional reporting Reuters and Associated Press via The Guardian. Also the psychopathic Russian army leadership destroyed a maternity today. Don't think because Ukraine has their fanatics (yesterday's story), Russia is the good. 🤣 At the end of the day, they are still the invaders. Same father in the FSB and SBU though: The KGB. Edited November 23, 2022 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 4 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Oh so NOW you believe the MSM is reporting the truth mow that its convenient for you? What? Beave...go home... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 4 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Stay tuned! Remember you heard it here first! Kremlin Plans False-Flag Attack on Russian Soil to Gain Public Backing: ISW Russia is planning to carry out a "false-flag" attack on its own territory to bolster public support for its war in Ukraine, according to the Institute for the Study of War (ISW). An ISW report released Tuesday night found that the Kremlin is setting the stage for a fake Ukrainian invasion of southern Russia's Belgorod region, which borders Ukraine near Kharkiv. The think tank suggested that the "absurd" Ukrainian invasion claims pushed by "Kremlin propagandists" could serve to gain public support and appease "the Russian pro-war nationalist community." "The Kremlin appears to be setting information conditions for a false-flag attack in Belgorod Oblast, Russia, likely in an effort to regain public support for the war in Ukraine," the ISW report states. "Russian claims of an imminent Ukrainian attack on Belgorod Oblast are absurd and only aim to scare the general public to support the war." "Ukraine has no strategic interest in invading Russia and no ability to do so at such a scale," it continues. "These ridiculous speculations about a fantastical Ukrainian invasion of Russia may also be part of the Kremlin's effort to acknowledge and appease the Russian pro-war nationalist community." … https://www.newsweek.com/kremlin-plans-false-flag-attack-russian-soil-gain-public-backing-isw-1761591?utm_source=Flipboard&utm_medium=App&utm_campaign=Partnerships The desperation is strong in this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 54 minutes ago, Nationalist said: What? Beave...go home... Yeah. The MSM reported something convenient for you so you suddenly believe them just this one time after all the time claiming the MSM is just a Ukrainian/Nato/Biden /Nazi propaganda machine Explain yourself 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 minute ago, BeaverFever said: Yeah. The MSM reported something convenient for you so you suddenly believe them just this one time after all the time claiming the MSM is just a Ukrainian/Nato/Biden /Nazi propaganda machine Explain yourself When a main stream media source begins turning on Zelinsky, you know that its MUCH worse than made out to be. I doubt this has even occurred to you...so go home... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 52 minutes ago, Nationalist said: The desperation is strong in this one. So if Russia suddenly starts claiming Ukrainians have invaded Belgorod exactly as this piece describes will you believe it then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Nationalist said: When a main stream media source begins turning on Zelinsky, you know that its MUCH worse than made out to be. I doubt this has even occurred to you...so go home... So your new belief is the MSM “has turned on Zelensky” and you will believe them from now on? Edited November 23, 2022 by BeaverFever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: So if Russia suddenly starts claiming Ukrainians have invaded Belgorod exactly as this piece describes will you believe it then? Beave...you mistake me for someone who cares about either Russia or Ukraine. I do not. My only position is that NATO must stay out of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: So your new belief is the MSM “has turned on Zelensky” and you will believe them from now on? No Beave. Please quit being so...brick-ish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 Just now, Nationalist said: Beave...you mistake me for someone who cares about either Russia or Ukraine. I do not. My only position is that NATO must stay out of this. As expected you dodged the question. Answer the question: So if Russia suddenly starts claiming Ukrainians have invaded Belgorod exactly as this piece describes will you believe it then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 Just now, Nationalist said: No Beave. Please quit being so...brick-ish. So you will continue to selectively pick and choose reported reality and switch your MSM conspiracy on and off as is convenient to support your preformed belief of Russia good, Ukraine bad. Gotcha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 19 hours ago, Nationalist said: Some "users" on this site behave more like automated bots, that actual people. You won't get rational responses from a bot. Could say the same about you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: As expected you dodged the question. Answer the question: So if Russia suddenly starts claiming Ukrainians have invaded Belgorod exactly as this piece describes will you believe it then? Remember all the occupied regions wanted the Russians there. . . And then the people of Kherson celebrate in the streets when the Russians leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 6 hours ago, BeaverFever said: They don’t have thousands of scuds ready to use in occupied areas of Ukraine. Their forces there are firing what they have available Why would there be a vast conspiracy all the way back in July to falsely report something so obscure and specific to the public as s300s being fired at ground targets? Quit being such a nutjob The S-300 isn't in active service with the Russians, that's why...nutjob. And if they're going to pull them out of reserve storage due to "lack of ballistic missiles", they're going to haul out the Scuds first...which are actual surface to surface ballistic missiles. But you have your pro-Nazi agenda to support...so keep blaming Russia for the Nazi's mistakes. I expect nothing less from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 6 hours ago, BeaverFever said: False. Stop lying. McKenzie Intelligence Services is quite real. And they're very pro-war and very pro-NATO...and pro-Nazi it would appear. Just like yourself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: As expected you dodged the question. Answer the question: So if Russia suddenly starts claiming Ukrainians have invaded Belgorod exactly as this piece describes will you believe it then? The Ukrainians are not gonna invade Russia, Beave. Get realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Boges said: Remember all the occupied regions wanted the Russians there. . . And then the people of Kherson celebrate in the streets when the Russians leave. Remember how Putin had Kherson evacuated? All or most of the ethnic Russians left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Boges said: Could say the same about you. You can say anything you like. But when facts disagree with Libbie, war-mongering howling, there are only 2 choices: 1. Stupid 2. Automated bot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: So you will continue to selectively pick and choose reported reality and switch your MSM conspiracy on and off as is convenient to support your preformed belief of Russia good, Ukraine bad. Gotcha More brick-ish comments from The Peanut Gallery. Tell ya what Beave...show me where I ever said "Russia good"...or go home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Remember how Putin had Kherson evacuated? All or most of the ethnic Russians left. Oh so that's how this works. Yet when Ukrainians flee invading Russians, the democratic will of those left shall be honoured. 3 minutes ago, Nationalist said: You can say anything you like. But when facts disagree with Libbie, war-mongering howling, there are only 2 choices: 1. Stupid 2. Automated bot. I could say the same about you. You can see that reckless terror campaigns against Ukrainian civilians can cause damage to NATO nations, even unintentionally. So it's in NATOs interest to reduce Russia's influence here. But that's war-mongering. . . to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Boges said: Oh so that's how this works. Yet when Ukrainians flee invading Russians, the democratic will of those left shall be honoured. I could say the same about you. You can see that reckless terror campaigns against Ukrainian civilians can cause damage to NATO nations, even unintentionally. So it's in NATOs interest to reduce Russia's influence here. But that's war-mongering. . . to you. 1. The Russians had not invaded anywhere when the first referendum happened. 2. Oh for Gawd's sake. It was a UKE missile that hit that farm in Poland. You should stop making a mockery of facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nationalist said: 1. The Russians had not invaded anywhere when the first referendum happened. You're joking right? These sham elections happened a few months ago when Ukraine was poised to take back huge swaths of occupied territory. Putin even tried to annex territory that he didn't control. Quote 2. Oh for Gawd's sake. It was a UKE missile that hit that farm in Poland. You should stop making a mockery of facts. Trying to defend against a Russian barrage against Civilian infrastructure and people. How is that not terrorism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Boges said: You're joking right? These sham elections happened a few months ago when Ukraine was poised to take back huge swaths of occupied territory. Putin even tried to annex territory that he didn't control. Trying to defend against a Russian barrage against Civilian infrastructure and people. How is that not terrorism? 1. No...but you're doing a very good job of making yourself out to be a joke. But for your edification: First Referendum in Donbas Region: May 11, 2014 Russian Invasion of Donbas Region: February 24, 2022 2. Perhaps the Ukes need to learn to aim their missiles so they don't kill people in Poland? Or better yet...maybe they should begin real peace talks so the Ukes don't freeze to death this winter? Or would you be happy to watch thousands die of exposure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nationalist said: 1. No...but you're doing a very good job of making yourself out to be a joke. But for your edification: First Referendum in Donbas Region: May 11, 2014 Russian Invasion of Donbas Region: February 24, 2022 I'm talking about Annexation Votes taken in late September. https://www.npr.org/2022/09/28/1125543244/ukraine-sham-referendums-russia-annexation Quote 2. Perhaps the Ukes need to learn to aim their missiles so they don't kill people in Poland? Or better yet...maybe they should begin real peace talks so the Ukes don't freeze to death this winter? Or would you be happy to watch thousands die of exposure? And yet you still contend to not be Pro-Putin. You feel that all Putin's actions are a reasonable means to an end. And that Ukraine trying retain freedom and not be a Putin Puppet state is war-monger. It shows where your true motives come from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Boges said: I'm talking about Annexation Votes taken in late September. https://www.npr.org/2022/09/28/1125543244/ukraine-sham-referendums-russia-annexation And yet you still contend to not be Pro-Putin. You feel that all Putin's actions are a reasonable means to an end. And that Ukraine trying retain freedom and not be a Putin Puppet state is war-monger. It shows where your true motives come from. So don't say dumb shite and you won't look like a joke. Again...I'm not "pro" any of them, Tweenkie-poo. I'm not the one trying to justify a protracted war that the Ukraine cannot win without NATO aid and I'm not the one supporting more NATO aid. All I want is for NATO to stay the hell out of a war that is none of their Gawd-Damn business. Oh and...peace would be nice...before thousands freeze to death. But it might already be too late for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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