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The Russians will no doubt demand in the future peace-deal that the sanctions would be lifted. However, that doesn't change the fact that private investors won't touch Russia with a barge pole for years to come.

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These 2 videos are interesting viewing for those of us who are hearing about Ukrainian successes on the ground and wondering what that's all about. Specifically - how are they doing that:

Near as I can figure, what they're using in that second one is something like this below:

In that one they talk about the infantry waiting in the back to jump out and fight. In the earlier video it looks like you can see them jumping around in front after the hits. I guess they're looking to pick off stragglers.

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all war is logistics in the end

and that is Russia's main deficiency

they don't have enough trucks to supply their front line forces

what trucks they do have are under constant attack

 they can't secure the supply lines for the trucks

 the front line forces are vulnerable to attack because they are immobilized by being short of supplies

and they just don't have enough boots on the ground, they don't have nearly enough troops for a war this big

 

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1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

These 2 videos are interesting viewing for those of us who are hearing about Ukrainian successes on the ground and wondering what that's all about. Specifically - how are they doing that:

Near as I can figure, what they're using in that second one is something like this below:

In that one they talk about the infantry waiting in the back to jump out and fight. In the earlier video it looks like you can see them jumping around in front after the hits. I guess they're looking to pick off stragglers.

A few things of note about the 2nd video:

First off, the description makes it sound like the BTR-82A and T-72B3M are both tanks, but the BTR is just an Armoured Personnel Carrier. It doesn't even seem like that APC was manned when it was hit, nothing was moving. The BTR is designed to be able to kill that vehicle though.

Second, the BTR-4 just has a 30mm canon, it's only good for shooting other lightly-armoured vehicles. It's not designed to kill tanks, and the 30mm canon definitely couldn't kill a T-72, it would just bounce off. (Even some tanks aren't heavily armed enough to kill other tanks, like the original 75mm gun on the Sherman in WWII vs the Tiger) 

3rd, that footage is from Mariupol, I saw it on youtube. That's where the Azov battalion is deployed - the only Nazi battalion in any military anywhere on earth.

I find it odd that our mainstream media tried to portray our freedom convoy as a bunch of Nazis when they were anything but, and that they choose to portray the Azovs as heroes when they're known war criminals from the Donbas war and they're actual Nazis, insignias and all. 

 

It's a fact that a lot of Russian tanks are being destroyed or abandoned, but the Russians have a shitload of tanks. More than twice as many as the #2 country in the world.

Not all of Russia's tanks are great - they don't get rid of their old junk like the Americans do - but tanks are what they're famous for. 

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I have a suspicion.

I suspect that once Russia has wrapped up the battle for the Ukrainian coast and he owns the sea border so the Ukraine is completely landlocked he will declare victory and call the rest of the troops home.

It was never about taking Kiev (or Keeve as the progs have taken to calling it). I'd prefer to be wrong and have the Ukrainians take it all back though. 

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2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Second, the BTR-4 just has a 30mm canon, it's only good for shooting other lightly-armoured vehicles. It's not designed to kill tanks, and the 30mm canon definitely couldn't kill a T-72, it would just bounce off. (Even some tanks aren't heavily armed enough to kill other tanks, like the original 75mm gun on the Sherman in WWII vs the Tiger) 

But at the minute mark of the video Janes.com shows us the BTR-4 E has a pod of anti-tank missiles. Is that an upgraded model or something?

 

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doesn't really matter what kind of Russian armored vehicles are deployed

could be a BTR, BMP, BMD, MT-LB or T-72/80/90

they are all killed the same way by FGM-148 Javelin & NLAW

reason being, both weapons use top attack

both missiles fly over the armored vehicle and detonate shaped charges down through the thin armor on top

so all Russian vehicles can be killed quite easily with these latest generation NATO anti armor weapons

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1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

But at the minute mark of the video Janes.com shows us the BTR-4 E has a pod of anti-tank missiles. Is that an upgraded model or something?

 

Anti-tank missiles are pretty big, they don't come in pods, but some BTRs sport anti tank missiles. https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/03/meet-the-btr-4-watch-ukraines-bucephalus-blast-russian-armored-vehicles/

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However, the turret can also mount two Barrier laser-guided anti-tank missiles. These are effective at ranges between 300 feet to 3.1 miles, and can penetrate 32 inches RHA equivalent with a tandem-charge warhead. Alternatively, one missile can be swapped for a 30-millimeter automatic grenade launcher for additional anti-personnel firepower.

In the video it was just the 30mm canon firing imo, the missile launch would look quite different. The missile doesn't work at less than 300 feet either, approximately the length of a football field.

We had rounds like that in the navy that [theoretically, I never saw anyone try it lol] wouldn't detonate until they travelled a minimum distance, just in case the gun somehow managed to fire on the ship's own superstructure. There are 'cutouts' in the weapon system that makes it impossible for the turrets to fire when they're pointed in the wrong direction anyways, so having the feature that the ammo wouldn't detonate is like an added layer of protection.

I guess the BTR's missiles have that feature so that they don't detonate when they're close enough to damage their own vehicle, or kill their own infantry who are in close support?  I dunno.

The newer Russian tanks aren't so easy to hit with laser-guided missiles: 

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New Russian tanks, such as the T-72B3 and the T-90A, are also equipped with “soft” Active Protection Systems and Laser Warning Receivers. The latter can detect when a vehicle is being painted by a laser designator and possibly determine the position of the missile system; the former seeks to obscure the target vehicle or disrupt the incoming missile’s guidance systems. According to one report, Ukrainian gunners were repeatedly frustrated when their missiles appeared to go haywire as they approached Russian tanks.

Regarding the pods, when you see them in the navy it's usually a form of anti-missile defence called "chaff" launchers. They shoot flares and clouds of metallic debris straight up into the air to fool Russian missiles like the SS-N-22 Charlies into blowing up. The SN-22s would actually go up in the air and drop down on the ship from above to avoid CIWSs like the Phalanx gun. By the time I got out chaff had evolved into RBOC and then Super RBOC (super-rapid bloom overhead chaff) but that was over 30 years ago. I have no idea what weapons systems modern naval ships have now. 

Anyhow, Russian tanks also have this stuff to protect the sides from incoming missiles, the video at the top of the page is at 18,000 frames per second to show how it works, it's pretty cool: https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a26768/tanks-defend-themselves-rockets-and-missiles/

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RUSSIA SENT ULTIMATUM TO UKRAINIANS IN MARIUPOL

"You have time limit until tomorrow morning to hand over the city to Russian forces"

Russia's Ministry of Defense announced that Ukraine forces has until the early morning hours on Monday morning to give an answer about the surrender of Mariupol, Reuters reports, referring to the Russian agency RIA Novosti.
From 10:00 to 12:00 local time, the Russian side proposes to organize the exit of Ukrainian soldiers and foreign mercenaries without weapons, in which case they are guaranteed to save lives, and after that humanitarian corridors should be opened to evacuate civilians.
Representatives of the UN, OSCE and the Red Cross have been invited to monitor the humanitarian operation on the ground, it added. Russia's Ministry of Defense called on Kiev "to be reasonable and to annul the previously given instructions which obliged the militants in Mariupol to sacrifice themselves."

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The United States was preparing to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

Russia has started using the most modern weapon systems from its arsenal - hypersonic "dagger" missiles, which destroyed a large underground depot of missiles and ammunition in the Ukrainian region of Ivano-Franckivsk.
The United States does not intend to escalate the situation around Ukraine and will not send its army to the country, said the US Ambassador to the UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield.
"We do not want to escalate, bring this to war. However, we will support NATO allies ", TASS states her answer to the question about the idea of the NATO peacekeeping mission in Ukraine".
Earlier, it was announced that former senior adviser to the US Secretary of Defense, Douglas McGregor, believes that many in Washington do not understand that "Russia is not Iraq" and that intimidation tactics do not work with that.
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The Ukrainian garrison in Mariupol has already fallen to one knee. The entire city on the east bank of the Kalmius River has already been demilitarized.
The most fanatical part of the Ukrainian garrison, among which are the main members of the Neo-Nazi Azov regiment, provide their "last defense" on the approaches to the metallurgical plant "Azovstal" and in its circle.
However, Russian aviation and artillery are decimating them.
There are signs that agony has begun among Ukrainians. And fugitives. Over the last two days, over 100 members of the Ukrainian army were arrested at the exits from Mariupol, who tried to get out of the city disguised as civilians.

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"STOP MAKING US FOOLS! Sanctions against Russia are unacceptable"

The voices of European politicians who saw the EU cut the branch on which all its members sit. Here are some of those voices:

Jordan Bardella, Member of the European Parliament from France from the Ressemblement National party, wrote on his Twitter account:
Fuel prices make even the smallest trip unbelievably expensive. Thousands of small and medium-sized enterprises will be forced to close. The situation is no longer under control, and Macron, who is out of time and space, is doing nothing. In 31 days (meaning the elections in France) we will have the opportunity to choose: to stop or to continue?
Instead of buying weapons and enriching the pharmaceutical giants, Von der Leyen would be better off not allowing the landing of "Ukrainian" Congolese in Brussels!
Milan Mazurek, Member of the Slovak Parliament from the Republican Party: Anti-Russian sanctions can completely destroy the middle class in Europe, and we see that they will not change anything in Ukraine… There will be no winner in that hysteria, only millions of extremely poor citizens.
Victor Schaeber, journalist for the European newsroom1: A harsh reality in rural areas diesel costs € 2.50 per liter in one of the cheapest regions in the country. A full tank for a Peugeot 206 costs 110 euros. Almost 10 percent of the minimum wage. And a car is necessary in that environment.
 
"We are still being deceived that sanctions against Russia will not cost us dearly"!

Jean-Len Lacapelle, Member of the European Parliament from France from the Ressemblement National party:
While in some places the price of a liter of gasoline reached 2.80 euros, Raphaël Glucksmann dared to say that the sanctions imposed on Russia "will not be expensive".
What world do these people live in?
Hungary, which has not imposed sanctions on Russia, has 14 times cheaper gas than the Czech Republic
Ivan David, Member of the European Parliament from the Czech Republic, from the Svoboda party:
Why is energy so expensive?
Because it is bought through the stock market, although there is no reason for that. Hungary does not do that and that is why it has 14 times cheaper gas. And the current anti-social government advises us to patiently endure its incompetence.
They assure us that we will inflict a deadly blow on Russia with high energy prices!
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Russia's Ministry of Defense issued the statement:

"High-precision projectiles hit the training center of the Ukrainian special forces near the town of Ovruch in the Zhytomyr region. Foreign mercenaries were housed there. The number of victims is over 100."

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Paramilitary Nazi military formations, as well as members of the National Guard, are publicly punishing citizens across Ukraine by holding them hostage on various fabricated charges. Neither women nor children were spared torture, abuse and humiliation.

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There is speculation about the oligarghs wanting to topple Putin in order to end the international sanctions. Even a name has been mentioned as a possible successor to Putin.

You couldn't imagine a more certain death-sentence than to mention someone's name in a plan to topple a dictator.

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I don't think Putin is going to get taken down by a successor

the only take down would be of the whole regime at once

like the take down of the Soviet Union, hundreds of thousands in the streets, the whole government collapses

and just like in 1991, the problem would be that there is no successor

but don't think we are close to that yet

as with any country at war, the majority of Russians are rallying around their war chief right now

that doesn't mean they are not losing and losing very badly, because this is military catastrophe in progress

it just usually takes some time for the ramifications of that to sink in

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