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6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Only for individuals, IMO.  I took the first polling company poll that came up on the topic - which was the first result, so I didn't cherry pick.  ABACUS poll from last 2021 says 70% agree the earth is warming (7% say not) and 75% of them say humans are causing this.  So overall, education system hasn't scored badly.

But, we still haven't made the effort to stop it. 

We are getting off topic. Jean Charest all the way.

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2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

  Jean Charest all the way.

Poilievre's star is fading slightly https://abacusdata.ca/conservative-leadership-canadian-politics-may-25/
 

He is still WAY ahead but there enough votes to defeat him if an anybody-but-Pierre movement emerges and Lewis stays out of it.  

 

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This is May. Debates are all over.

Isn't the leadership vote in September?

A lot of crap can happen between now and then.

This leadership stuff is not even worth talking about now. So much will change between now and then we should archive this thread and bring it back up end of August.

This marathon of a leadership race will just make people tired of the conservatives. Will just help Justin LOL

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1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

This is May. Debates are all over.

Isn't the leadership vote in September?

A lot of crap can happen between now and then.

This leadership stuff is not even worth talking about now. So much will change between now and then we should archive this thread and bring it back up end of August.

This marathon of a leadership race will just make people tired of the conservatives. Will just help Justin LOL

That's like tuning in a hockey game during the third period. You miss out on all the excitement in the first two periods.

You don't watch a game just for the final score. The fun is in watching the game. 

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2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

That is an indictment on the education system. The burning of fossil fuels to generate energy, in accordance with the manual, will continue to put massive amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, leading to the potential mass extinction to rival the Permian.

I agree 100 %, and am all for nuclear energy or any other type of energy that is carbon-free, but we either refuse to look at them, or we don't have the will to support a massive move like this. although the liberals did sink some cash into NLFD hydro project, a little too late mind you it is an investment. we should also be working on getting this power to the rest of the maritime provinces before Quebec steals that project as well. This could be an excellent use of all those carbon taxes we are paying. 

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2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I agree people should not be sanctioned based on unproven rumours. 

I have to correct your assertion that the PM is the highest office in the land. It is the second highest appointed position in Canada.The office of Prime Minister is filled by appointment. Generally, it is occupied by a Member of Parliament. But, the Prime Minister is Appointed. The position is hardly mentioned in the Constitution. It may be the most powerful position in the nation but he only has the authority of a member of the ministry to which he is appointed. As Michael Vope pointed out, he just borrows the authority. He doesn't own it. If you were a Conservative, you would know these things.

I must have missed that class in Conservative school, But I think we may be playing on words here, I think or assume you're suggesting the GG is the highest appointed office in Canada, and yet has very little power to effect change in regards to policy or law, and the PM has the final say on that appointment. regardless he is the leader of the nation, and we have not set the bar very high. 

It may be borrowed, but right now he does own it until taken away. and he has used it to benefit himself and his party and let's add the NDP as well.    

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32 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

That's like tuning in a hockey game during the third period. You miss out on all the excitement in the first two periods.

You don't watch a game just for the final score. The fun is in watching the game. 

It's like playing the first 2 periods  in May and the third period in September. Does anyone care anymore??

And, the final score is all that counts.

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2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

So what you are saying is the the left does not want to see increasing carbon emissions. Are you saying the right does want to see the continual increase in greenhouse gases in the atmosphere? If so, you are saying the left is more intelligent than the right. If I am misinterpreting you, please explain.

Come on Queen are you suggesting the liberals are serious about climate change, Yes they have put a price on carbon, and then they give it back to the taxpayers "hoping/ praying " it reduces fossil fuel usage... and here we are with fuel 3 times the price and we are still going about our business, we are paying more for everything... there is very little investment from the government " considering they did declare a climate emergency" we did spend 450 bil on covid ... 

I did not mention NDP or green as their plans do tackle climate change in a serious matter, it comes at a price, and living in the dark would be one of them...

The experts can not come up with a definite time frame when climate change endangers all humankind. Some say it is already too late, others say 20 years or more... remember the massive panic Y2K caused due to experts' opinions, I'm not saying climate change is not true, I'm saying that the info we are being provided is not accurate, and is a little bit misleading. 

Despite all of that, we are attempting to cut off our nose despite our face, when the major polluters are not or will not be participating in these drastic changes that most western nations are taking. and without their participation, we are NOT going to make our global goals. There needs to be a reasonable approach to this issue, Ukraine's war and covid is showing us just how much the global supply chain is affected by one or two nations. we have enough fuel supply to insulate ourselves from any outside interference, and yet we choose not to, because of fringe groups within and outside of Canada. 

Fossil fuels is our number one resource, that drives our economy, without it where do you see us in the future? when so many other countries are miles ahead of us in green tech or green energy. 

So is the left more intelligent than the right, no by no means, what all the parties have shown to date that all of us could not figure out how to get out of a wet paper bag, and we are more than happy to cherry-pick other nations solutions good or bad. We like to puff out our chests and point to the world look at us go " remember "we are back" address to the UN... yes they are still waiting for that sign or action that would point world opinion in that direction.

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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

I agree 100 %, and am all for nuclear energy or any other type of energy that is carbon-free, but we either refuse to look at them, or we don't have the will to support a massive move like this.

I'm 100% in support nuclear energy but not until we have no in-camera lobbying and 100% observer coverage of the entire industry. From the boardrooms to the plant floor but above all else in the offices of government regulators and their political masters.

Without the will to do this, forget it.

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5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm 100% in support nuclear energy but not until we have no in-camera lobbying and 100% observer coverage of the entire industry. From the boardrooms to the plant floor but above all else in the offices of government regulators and their political masters.

Without the will to do this, forget it.

So there is no climate emergency then? Or it is not the top-rated issue in this country, Those environmentalists are going to be pissed. Miss May is having a stroke right now

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19 minutes ago, RedDog said:

There are three liberal parties in Canada because they know that is needed for central Canada and the sheep there.

It is not the party lable. It is the quality of people willing to run, inspite of the abuse. We have many good people in politics but when you seek a leadership position, the really qualified people ask themselves, "Do I really need this crap?" The CPC had Baird, Ambrose and Raitt and all of them found the abuse not worth the effort. I blame the voters. We have the power to allow the government to transition the nation to nuclear power, rebuild the transportation system and export the technology around the world, using a variation on China's "belt and noose" policy. We just have to put in the effort to build the constituency.

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7 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

So there is no climate emergency then? Or it is not the top-rated issue in this country, Those environmentalists are going to be pissed. Miss May is having a stroke right now

Yes there's still a climate change emergency underway but we have a conservative emergency that's more pressing because of the way it overshadows everything else and suppresses forward movement on virtually everything.

You make everything suck.

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17 minutes ago, RedDog said:

There are three liberal parties in Canada because they know that is needed for central Canada and the sheep there.

Canada is a lost ship at sea. A lost cause. Save Alberta.

You may be right that Canada is a write-off.  It’s becoming a country of victims who want government to think for them and take care of them.  Individual rights are scary to many Canadians, who want the state to decide who should live and what they deserve.  Talent must be in the service of whatever collective interest the elites decide is important.  They decide which groups deserve favoured treatment on the basis of skin colour, lifestyle choices, or some other superficial marker.  If you oppose Liberal Canadian government policies, expect public humiliation and state-sponsored oppression.  

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2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I think or assume you're suggesting the GG is the highest appointed office in Canada

Yes, the GG is the highest appointed office, but still appointed. The highest office in Canada is the Queen. She has more authority than the President of the United States. (She has the authority to declare war. In the US, POTUS doesn't).She does not have the authority to vote herself taxes. 

There is a difference between authority and power. Authority is the right to make a decision. Power is the ability to carry it out. 

Since the first principle of Conservatism is loyalty to the Crown, they should have taught all this to you in Conservative school. ?

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1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

If you oppose Liberal Canadian government policies, expect public humiliation and state-sponsored oppression.  

The simple remedy is support the government. That's why the best job in "1984" was to join the Thought Police.

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15 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The simple remedy is support the government. That's why the best job in "1984" was to join the Thought Police.

Yes, so you can fake support to some extent in the hope of worming your way up to the top and dismantling the “system”, but the level of commitment and “looking the part” required make it very hard to retain one’s identity and beliefs.  This is why sometimes it’s better to abandon a system rather than attempt to transform it.  I’ve always believed in reform and that Canada’s federation can be transformed to meet new challenges.  I’m not sure anymore, because the leaders are too disconnected from the people they represent.  Much of what they do now looks more like self-preservation than improving the lives of most Canadians.  Also, abstract internationally pushed notions like fighting climate change are given greater weight than 100% cost increases on fuel prices.  Meeting Trudeau’s carbon tax implementation plan is more important than making life affordable for Canadians. Ideologue elitists blow Canadians’ earnings on socialist nanny state projects.  It’s wasteful, inflationary, and oppressive.  

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We will not be able to help future generations without sacrifice. The reason for the current inflation situation is the combination of a deadly global pandemic and the war. Carbon taxes are a small factor but to deal with our burning up the birthright of future generations, we have to cut back on our consumption of resourses that also belong to our children and their descendents. That is the real family values.

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2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

We will not be able to help future generations without sacrifice. The reason for the current inflation situation is the combination of a deadly global pandemic and the war. Carbon taxes are a small factor but to deal with our burning up the birthright of future generations, we have to cut back on our consumption of resourses that also belong to our children and their descendents. That is the real family values.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine is what happens when Russia gets left out of NATO after the collapse of the Soviet Union and Russian satellite countries are encouraged to join NATO.   Thanks Clinton and Bush.  We could’ve been allies   

The C-19 pandemic is what happens when governments recklessly fund and swap gain of function deadly viruses.

Carbon taxes are icing on the exorbitant cost of living inflationary government-spending cake.  

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I just received an email from Mr. Poilievre saying he would cut the price of gas, but he didn't say what he would do to make up the loss of revenue. Do any of you who support him have a realistic answer? Considering the level of debt the country has had to take on to combat the covid 19 pandemic, is it prudent to purposely reduce revenues?

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30 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I just received an email from Mr. Poilievre saying he would cut the price of gas, but he didn't say what he would do to make up the loss of revenue. Do any of you who support him have a realistic answer? Considering the level of debt the country has had to take on to combat the covid 19 pandemic, is it prudent to purposely reduce revenues?

I’d suggest cutting spending across all departments by 10 percent, starting with all woke “equity” and red tape bureaucrats.  They’re turning organizations into fearful places where one or a few people pretend to know what further reparations are needed beyond fair hiring policies and equal rights.  All MP salaries should be cut by at least 20%.  Why should an MP make $185,000 per year?  $140,000 a year would still be a good salary, especially factoring in pensions and benefits.  Scrap the NDP communist programs and expensive inquiries.  Scrap all energy subsidies, green or fossil, and reduce government’s role in our lives substantially.  In fact, consider eliminating most of the functions of the federal government apart from essentials like defense, ports, etc. Defund the CBC and end media subsidies. Devolve as much responsibility to the provinces as possible.  Limit federal involvement in international organizations and cut the funding for it.  Deregulate where possible.  Eliminate carbon taxes.  Stop funding ideologically driven international programs. 

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And people say my being a militant Monarchist is unrealistic. Politics is the art of the possible. Your idea of cutting MP's salaries means nobody will run. Who is going to spend all their savings to apply for a job where you get no time off, will require you to step away from your career for 4 - 10 of your prime earning years, and that pays half or even a quarter of your earnings in your law practice.

You are asking the government to cut all the programs people want. The clinical term for that is "political suicide." 

We elect governments to do what the voters want. 

You mention Defence, yet the tiny amount we spend on defence (you mis-spelled defence, by the way) is wasted. If we are not going to provide a viable military, why bother?

 

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1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said:

And people say my being a militant Monarchist is unrealistic. Politics is the art of the possible. Your idea of cutting MP's salaries means nobody will run. Who is going to spend all their savings to apply for a job where you get no time off, will require you to step away from your career for 4 - 10 of your prime earning years, and that pays half or even a quarter of your earnings in your law practice.

You are asking the government to cut all the programs people want. The clinical term for that is "political suicide." 

We elect governments to do what the voters want. 

You mention Defence, yet the tiny amount we spend on defence (you mis-spelled defence, by the way) is wasted. If we are not going to provide a viable military, why bother?

 

Great.  Let’s get a new crop of eager new politicians who are in it for the right reasons.  Fewer lawyers in office?  Awesome.  Actually 10% across the board cuts are too low.  I’m thinking 12-15%.  

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4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

All MP salaries should be cut by at least 20%.  Why should an MP make $185,000 per year?  $140,000 a year would still be a good salary, especially factoring in pensions and benefits.

I'd double their salaries to compensate for a new requirement that they be subject to contact tracing while in office.   In-camera lobbying would be discontinued and registered lobbyists would also be subject to contact tracing.  I don't care how much lobbyists are paid because it's none of my business.

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I think you must admire China where the government can do what it wants without worrying about public opinion...sort of like a certain Prime Minister was accused of.

You need lawyers because their job involves making laws.

As for a new crop, does that mean you are planning to run? Are you prepared to step away from your job for 18 months to campaign for the nomination? Do you have $30,000 to $50,000 to campaign for the nomination? You won't have any income coming in. Kiss your family good-bye because you will hardly see them until you get defeated or retire. Since you don't want a decent salary, do you have enough money for incidental expenses not covered by your MP expense account, such as when you are visiting a University campus meeting with the Young Conservative club, you pay for the coffee/ beer and when they invite you to buy their 50-50 tickets, you'll need to drop a $100. If you win, you will donate the money back to them. Everywhere you go, you will be picking up the tab, everyday. Everyone you meet will have their hand out. Your MP's housing allowance won't cover your housing expenses. When I worked for one of the major banks, one of our accountants had transferred in from a branch in Ottawa. He said you can't imagine the debt load many MP's have to carry.

So, you go for it because you are in it for the right reasons. Having just seen your platform, don't start spending that $140,000 yet because I don't give your chances of electoral success much hope. It appears, for someone interested in politics, you haven't met many Members of Parliament. Oh, and be prepared for the abuse. If you get elected, everyone will tell you they are your boss and you are a low life marxist liar and a crook. That is until their OAS cheque goes missing and you have to fix it. When you do, you will be a hero...for about 10 minutes and then you will be back to being a knuckle dragging bottom feeder who isn't worth $140,000 and your salary should be cut by another 10% because they can do the job better than you. You will be working 16 hour days, six and a half days a week, every week. If you take a few days off, you will be spotted by a constituent who will tell everyone what a lazy SOB you are. Even when you are on a holiday, you will have to stay in contact with your constituents. When you are in your riding, you will be going from meeting to meeting, coffee party to coffee party. Marion Pearson was at the last gathering of the day and the host asked if anyone had anything else to bring up. Mrs. Pearson responded "about eight cups of coffee and a half dozen doughnuts.

Then, another election is called and you will be spending a lot of money again. 

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