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1 hour ago, Faramir said:

In all due respect I am glad you vote Conservative but I think you might be one of those people who THINK they are conservative.  Like GWBush.  But are not.

Please define for me what you think being conservative means and why you think I am not.   Liberals support same-sex marriage, LGBT ideology, abortion, all of which I oppose.  I believe in Capitalism and not Socialism.  I oppose unnecessary government intervention in the economy.   Where do you stand on these things?  I support pipelines and the energy industry and oppose carbon taxes.  I think man-made climate change is a fraud.  What do you think?  We will see who is a real conservative if you speak the truth.

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Trudeau says Putin / Russia will lose the war in the Ukraine.  Russia is a superpower and nobody is stopping him invade and destroy the Ukraine.  What kind of pot is Trudeau smoking?   Is he serious?  Russia may also use chemical weapons to destroy the population of the Ukraine.  He doesn't care about the people a bit.  He is destroying them.  He is destroying every apartment building he can. 

What makes Trudeau think Putin will "lose the war"?  Trudeau and his father did what they could to reduce the Canadian military to a very insignificant force.  We have no air force or navy to speak of.  The CAF is only around 60 or 70 thousand.  Yet we have one of the largest land masses in the world.  Nobody is patrolling the Arctic or the coasts.  Trudeau talks big when he is over in Europe and with NATO, but he (Canada) only contributes 1.4% when they were committed to contribute 2% of GDP to the military.  NATO is a joke.  Europe and Canada know full well they must rely on U.S.A. to protect them.

If there ever was a nuclear attack from Russia, the missiles would fly right over the north pole and over Canada because that is the shortest route from Russia.  

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8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Liberals support same-sex marriage, LGBT ideology, abortion, all of which I oppose. 

I guess you're not one of those religious people who oppose the covid vax due to the use of aborted fetal cells in the development of it.  That's good.  Religious exemptions aren't granted, anyways.

Use of fetal tissue in vaccine development - Wikipedia

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The use of fetal tissue in vaccine development is the practice of researching, developing, and producing vaccines through growing viruses in cultured (laboratory-grown) cells that were originally derived from human fetal tissue.[1] Since the cell strains in use originate from abortions,[2] there has been opposition to the practice and the resulting vaccines on religious and moral grounds.

 

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1 minute ago, Goddess said:

I guess you're not one of those religious people who oppose the covid vax due to the use of aborted fetal cells in the development of it.  That's good.  Religious exemptions aren't granted, anyways.

Use of fetal tissue in vaccine development - Wikipedia

 

That has been debunked.  There are no fetal cells or anything near it in the vaccines.

 

5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I guess you're not one of those religious people who oppose the covid vax due to the use of aborted fetal cells in the development of it.  That's good.  Religious exemptions aren't granted, anyways.

Use of fetal tissue in vaccine development - Wikipedia

 

"Why are fetal cells used to make vaccines? Historical fetal cell lines were derived in the 1960’s and 1970’s from two elective abortions and have been used to create vaccines for diseases such as hepatitis A, rubella, and rabies. Abortions from which fetal cells were obtained were elective and were not done for the purpose of vaccine development. The fetal cell lines being used to test or manufacture the COVID-19 vaccines are from two sources: ● HEK-293: A kidney cell line that was isolated from a fetus in 1973 (undisclosed origin, from either a spontaneous miscarriage or an elective abortion) ● PER.C6: A retinal cell line that was isolated from an aborted fetus in 1985 Any vaccine that relies on these historic cell lines will not require nor solicit new abortions  To develop and manufacture some vaccines, pharmaceutical companies prefer human cell lines over other cells because 1) viruses need cells to grow and the viruses tend to grow better in cells from humans than animals (because they infect humans), 2) fetal cells can be used longer than other cell types, and 3) fetal cells can be maintained at low temperatures, allowing scientists to continuing using cell lines from decades ago. While fetal cell lines may be used to develop or manufacture COVID-19 vaccines, the vaccines themselves do not contain any aborted fetal cells. A comprehensive list of COVID-19 vaccines in development and any connection to abortion-derived cell lines is available here. Were the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines developed using fetal cell lines? The mRNA COVID-19 vaccines produced by Pfizer and Moderna do not require the use of any fetal cell cultures in order to manufacture (produce) the vaccine. Early in the development of mRNA vaccine technology, fetal cells were used for “proof of concept” (to demonstrate how a cell could take up mRNA and produce the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein) or to characterize the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were found to be ethically uncontroversial by the pro-life policy organization the Charlotte Lozier Institute. Further, the Secretariat of Pro-Life Activities, a committee within the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, has stated: “neither Pfizer nor Moderna used an abortion-derived cell line in the development or production of the vaccine. However, such a cell line was used to test the efficacy of both vaccines. Thus, while neither vaccine is completely free from any use of abortion-derived cell lines, in these two cases the use is very remote from the initial evil of the abortion…one may receive any of the clinically recommended vaccines in good conscience with the assurance that reception of such vaccines does not involve immoral cooperation in abortion.”

COVID-19_Vaccine_Fetal_Cell_Handout.pdf

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14 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Please define for me what you think being conservative means and why you think I am not.   Liberals support same-sex marriage, LGBT ideology, abortion, all of which I oppose.  I believe in Capitalism and not Socialism.  I oppose unnecessary government intervention in the economy.   Where do you stand on these things?  I support pipelines and the energy industry and oppose carbon taxes.  I think man-made climate change is a fraud.  What do you think?  We will see who is a real conservative if you speak the truth.

1. Conservatives hate neocons who want to push us into more global wars to "spread democracy"

2. Yes I oppose LGBT ideology and abortion

3. Yes to capitalism.  No to both socialism and fascism.  

4. Free trade EXCEPT where the trade deal is obviously so skewed it hollows out our manufacturing sector.  We should NOT be trading with the ChiComs for those reasons and their abysmal human rights records

5. I want ANTIFA rounded up and in prison cells

6. I reject critical race theory and see BLM as little more than ANTIFA fan boys

7. I reject fake conservatives like Neil Cavuto, Mitt Romney, Jonah Goldberg.

8. Man made climate change is a fraud

9. That the 2020 US election was stolen by fraud, and that Republicans will lose every race in the midterms due to voter fraud.

10.  Less immigration from muslim countries and reduce our refugee numbers

11.  I despise Putin but also despise that the Ukrainians tried to help Hillary win the US election.

 

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11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Trudeau says Putin / Russia will lose the war in the Ukraine.  Russia is a superpower and nobody is stopping him invade and destroy the Ukraine.  What kind of pot is Trudeau smoking?   Is he serious?  Russia may also use chemical weapons to destroy the population of the Ukraine.  He doesn't care about the people a bit.  He is destroying them.  He is destroying every apartment building he can. 

What makes Trudeau think Putin will "lose the war"?  Trudeau and his father did what they could to reduce the Canadian military to a very insignificant force.  We have no air force or navy to speak of.  The CAF is only around 60 or 70 thousand.  Yet we have one of the largest land masses in the world.  Nobody is patrolling the Arctic or the coasts.  Trudeau talks big when he is over in Europe and with NATO, but he (Canada) only contributes 1.4% when they were committed to contribute 2% of GDP to the military.  NATO is a joke.  Europe and Canada know full well they must rely on U.S.A. to protect them.

If there ever was a nuclear attack from Russia, the missiles would fly right over the north pole and over Canada because that is the shortest route from Russia.  

Trudeau is a clown.  Expect the ridiculous from him.

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2 minutes ago, Faramir said:

1. Conservatives hate neocons who want to push us into more global wars to "spread democracy"

2. Yes I oppose LGBT ideology and abortion

3. Yes to capitalism.  No to both socialism and fascism.  

4. Free trade EXCEPT where the trade deal is obviously so skewed it hollows out our manufacturing sector.  We should NOT be trading with the ChiComs for those reasons and their abysmal human rights records

5. I want ANTIFA rounded up and in prison cells

6. I reject critical race theory and see BLM as little more than ANTIFA fan boys

7. I reject fake conservatives like Neil Cavuto, Mitt Romney, Jonah Goldberg.

8. Man made climate change is a fraud

9. That the 2020 US election was stolen by fraud, and that Republicans will lose every race in the midterms due to voter fraud.

10.  Less immigration from muslim countries and reduce our refugee numbers

11.  I despise Putin but also despise that the Ukrainians tried to help Hillary win the US election.

 

We agree with almost every point you made, except I am not convinced the US election was stolen.  There may have been a lot of questionable practices and some irregularities but the legal system did not prove the election was a fraud.  In the end we have to go by what the legal system decides. That is only a claim made by Trump and many of his supporters.  So we actually agree on almost every point.  I don't know anything about Neil Cavuto, Mitt Romney, or Jonah Goldberg.  I don't spend a lot of time worrying about American politicians.  Too many other things to do and read.

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3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

What was debunked was that fetal cells are not actually in the shots, which was the rumor going around.  But they are used in the development of them.

No matter though, if it doesnt' bother you.

Of course it doesn't bother me because there is no viable connection to fetal cells or abortion.  You didn't do any reading to see what the subject is all about.  There is no abortion material used in the Covid vaccines.

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7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

What was debunked was that fetal cells are not actually in the shots, which was the rumor going around.  But they are used in the development of them.

No matter though, if it doesnt' bother you.

Female babies at that. Sad

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13 minutes ago, blackbird said:

While fetal cell lines may be used to develop or manufacture COVID-19 vaccines, the vaccines themselves do not contain any aborted fetal cells.

It says there is right in your link.

They don't CONTAIN aborted cells, but aborted cells are used to develop them.

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6 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It says there is right in your link.

They don't CONTAIN aborted cells, but aborted cells are used to develop them.

Leftists have a way of refuting arguments you aren't making then claim your claims are "debunked". Pure dishonesty

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5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It says there is right in your link.

They don't CONTAIN aborted cells, but aborted cells are used to develop them.

No.  I think they said some aborted cells were used many decades ago to develop some vaccines, but those abortions were not for the purpose of vaccine development.  "the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, has stated: “neither Pfizer nor Moderna used an abortion-derived cell line in the development or production of the vaccine. However, such a cell line was used to test the efficacy of both vaccines. Thus, while neither vaccine is completely free from any use of abortion-derived cell lines, in these two cases the use is very remote from the initial evil of the abortion…one may receive any of the clinically recommended vaccines in good conscience with the assurance that reception of such vaccines does not involve immoral cooperation in abortion.”

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1 minute ago, blackbird said:

No.  I think they said some aborted cells were used many decades ago to develop some vaccines, but those abortions were not for the purpose of vaccine development.  "the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, has stated: “neither Pfizer nor Moderna used an abortion-derived cell line in the development or production of the vaccine. However, such a cell line was used to test the efficacy of both vaccines. Thus, while neither vaccine is completely free from any use of abortion-derived cell lines, in these two cases the use is very remote from the initial evil of the abortion…one may receive any of the clinically recommended vaccines in good conscience with the assurance that reception of such vaccines does not involve immoral cooperation in abortion.”

The abortions happened decades ago, but the cells are still used in covid vax and other vaccines..

I just find it amusing when religious people bring up how they are strictly against abortions, even to save a woman's life but will then take vaccines that use aborted fetal cells to develop them, on the POSSIBILITY it might save their own life.

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10 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It says there is right in your link.

They don't CONTAIN aborted cells, but aborted cells are used to develop them.

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were found to be ethically uncontroversial by the pro-life policy organization the Charlotte Lozier Institute.

I accept what the experts say unlike you.

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1 minute ago, blackbird said:

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were found to be ethically uncontroversial by the pro-life policy organization the Charlotte Lozier Institute.

I accept what the experts say unlike you.

I already knew aborted fetal cells are used in the development of vaccines, long before covid.

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2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

The abortions happened decades ago, but the cells are still used in covid vax and other vaccines..

I just find it amusing when religious people bring up how they are strictly against abortions, even to save a woman's life but will then take vaccines that use aborted fetal cells to develop them, on the POSSIBILITY it might save their own life.

I think you are desperately trying to find something but you fail on all counts.

"The non-replicating viral vector vaccine produced by Johnson & Johnson did require the use of fetal cell cultures, specifically PER.C6, in order to produce and manufacture the vaccine. The Catholic Church and the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission have both stated that receiving a COVID-19 vaccine that required fetal cell lines for production or manufacture is morally acceptable. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops goes further and has stated: “receiving a COVID-19 vaccine ought to be understood as an act of charity toward the other members of our community. In this way, being vaccinated safely against COVID-19 should be considered an act of love of our neighbor and part of our moral responsibility for the common good...Given the urgency of this crisis, the lack of available alternative vaccines, and the Updated: 12/1/2021 fact that the connection between an abortion that occurred decades ago and receiving a vaccine produced today is remote, inoculation with the new COVID-19 vaccines in these circumstances can be morally justified.”

COVID-19_Vaccine_Fetal_Cell_Handout.pdf

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2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I already knew aborted fetal cells are used in the development of vaccines, long before covid.

You are an anti-vaxxer who is just looking for an excuse to justify your belief.  Vaccines are a way to protect our neighbours and vulnerable members of society.  They are an act of love toward our neighbour and loved ones.  

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1 minute ago, blackbird said:

"The non-replicating viral vector vaccine produced by Johnson & Johnson did require the use of fetal cell cultures, specifically PER.C6, in order to produce and manufacture the vaccine.

LOL

I don't really care what mental gymnastics you have to go through to rationalize your beliefs on abortion with taking vaccines that use aborted fetal cells.  Whether it's "the abortions happened decades ago" or "Aborted cells are not in the vaccines, but I'm okay with them being used to develop the vaccines."  Doesn't really matter to me.

I just find it amusing.

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3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I don't really care what mental gymnastics you have to go through to rationalize your beliefs on abortion with taking vaccines that use aborted fetal cells.  Whether it's "the abortions happened decades ago" or "Aborted cells are not in the vaccines, but I'm okay with them being used to develop the vaccines."  Doesn't really matter to me.

I just find it amusing.

What's even funnier is that you of all people, are talking about mental gymnastics for anything medical.  Here we have you offering your brilliant insights on vaccines when just the other day you denied that infectiousness was an important factor in determining how dangerous a virus is.  

Oh boy. 

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3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

when just the other day you denied that infectiousness was an important factor in determining how dangerous a virus is.  

Nope. Rate of Infection and Fatality Rate are the most important.  You were the one saying Fatality Rate was only a minor "piece of the puzzle" and I disagreed with you.

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21 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Nope. Rate of Infection and Fatality Rate are the most important.  You were the one saying Fatality Rate was only a minor "piece of the puzzle" and I disagreed with you.

It's too bad it's so easy to go back and review these posts:

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with you telling me I'm "wrong" about the importance of infectiousness...

Oops!

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2 hours ago, blackbird said:

I am not a lefty.  Been a member of the Conservative Party for 30 years. 

Yes but you're not with Putin and you've been okay with COVID measures...giving me the odd like and thanks recently is probably what really clinches it though.

You're not just a lefty buddy, you're a full blown commie and probably a closet Nazi too.

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