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53 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I feel bad for the guy

he's obviously brave & true & good

then he says he's a "proud Canadian"

it's sad, because Canada will inevitably stab him in the back

Canada is not brave & true & good, Canada is a radical leftist lunatic asylum

so if he survives this war and returns to Canada

he's going to find out that Canada suddenly despises him

because he will suddenly be attacked by Canada for being a "White Supremacist Nazi"

Canada will flip flop and agree with Putin that he is a threat, as soon as he ever gets back to Canada

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27 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

case in point, Canada makes a meagre contribution of sending 4 x M777 howitzer, not even a battery's worth

but Canada only had 36 x M777 to start off with

that's not even enough to equip the Canadian artillery, that's only two battery's for each of Canada's three regiments

Canada sent the ancient Carl Gustav, because that is the only shoulder fired anti-armour weapon Canada has

the cupboard is absolutely bare in Canada, Ukraine is already a military power which dwarfs Canada

Canadians don't get that fact, and never will , they think everything is better than fine in our military. Now that we are inclusive and everything.  That being said might as well give the whole store away, MAYBE it might spur someone to purchase more and newer equipment. 

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2 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Canadians don't get that fact, and never will , they think everything is better than fine in our military. Now that we are inclusive and everything.  That being said might as well give the whole store away, MAYBE it might spur someone to purchase more and newer equipment. 

it's ingrained in the Canadian culture by the First & Second World Wars

Canada is not a military power, Canada is an imperial auxiliary

so Canada has never maintained a standing army like a Hegemon

Canada builds an army to fight a war, then disbands that army when the war is over

most recently, Canada has done that with Afghanistan

the force was cobbled together for that mission

now that forces has been demobilized after

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4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I feel bad for the guy

he's obviously brave & true & good

then he says he's a "proud Canadian"

it's sad, because Canada will inevitably stab him in the back

Canada is not brave & true & good, Canada is a radical leftist lunatic asylum

so if he survives this war and returns to Canada

he's going to find out that Canada suddenly despises him

because he will suddenly be attacked by Canada for being a "White Supremacist Nazi"

Canada will flip flop and agree with Putin that he is a threat, as soon as he ever gets back to Canada

He is already forgotten, except by his family and friends, and his military comrades...It is bad when a teenage girl from Ukraine can get a hold of more military supplies than the Canadian government, for me that tells the whole story about our nation.

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17 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

He is already forgotten, except by his family and friends, and his military comrades...It is bad when a teenage girl from Ukraine can get a hold of more military supplies than the Canadian government, for me that tells the whole story about our nation.

we were simply mercenaries for the Queen

Regiment, Corps, Commander-in-Chief

the brothers to the left & right of you

Canada is neither here nor there

it's a royalist professional force, we were never citizen soldiers

VRI means what is says

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Shocking News NATO report Identifies Canada's decrease in defense spending, again more lies from the Liberal government, when are they going to stop.

NATO should just give Canada an ultimatum, spend or get out, you have been a leach for far too long.

Trudeau defends military spending ahead of NATO summit as new report projects decline (msn.com)

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9 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

NATO should just give Canada an ultimatum, spend or get out

that's not how NATO works

NATO is governed by the 1949 Washington Treaty

that is the Treaty in North Atlantic Treaty Organization

there is no stipulation in the treaty that a member is required to spend a certain amount to remain a member

so NATO doesn't have the authority to dictate terms like that to Canada

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Just now, Dougie93 said:

that's not how NATO works

NATO is governed by the 1949 Washington Treaty

that is the Treaty in North Atlantic Treaty Organization

there is no stipulation in the treaty that a member is required to spend a certain amount to remain a member

so NATO doesn't have the authority to dictate terms like that to Canada

2014 Canada and the rest of NATO signed an agreement that each nation would spend 2 % minimum on their military forces, a few days after signing this agreement Justin told national media he had no intention of doing that. As an organization, NATO could vote to kick anyone out, just like it takes a vote to join. 

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3 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

2014 Canada and the rest of NATO signed an agreement that each nation would spend 2 % minimum on their military forces, a few days after signing this agreement Justin told national media he had no intention of doing that. As an organization, NATO could vote to kick anyone out, just like it takes a vote to join. 

that wasn't binding, it was a memorandum not a binding treaty, and the 2% (arbitrary) number is simply a "target"

NATO requests that members spend 2%, it in no way has the authority to issue ultimatums to member states

Canada in addition, will never be turned away from NATO, simply because of geography

Canada is the only other member state in North America

so Canada in effect drags America into the NATO fight for Europe

thus nobody in Brussels would ever want Canada out of the alliance

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it's all part of the culture of Canada to woefully under resource the Canadian military

Lord Byng & Sir Arthur Currie could in no way rely on the Government of Canada to save them

they would have to solve the problem right there themselves

the Canadian Corps was not made in Ottawa, it was made in Flanders on the Western Front

Canadians only fight other people's wars, never their own

Canadians spill blood in lieu of treasure

a nation forged fighting for Saxe, Coburg & Gotha, in Belgium

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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

that wasn't binding, it was a memorandum not a binding treaty, and the 2% (arbitrary) number is simply "target"

NATO requests that members spend 2%, it in no way has the authority to issue ultimatums to member states

Canada in addition, will never be turned away from NATO, simply because of geograohy

Canada is the only other member state in North America

so Canada in effect drags America into the NATO fight for Europe

thus nobody in Brussels would ever want Canada out of the alliance

It was an agreement to spend x % of GDP to ensure NATO relevance in today's world. Canada signed the agreement and then told the world fuck you we have no intention of doing that...why would a nation agree and sign an agreement if it no intentions of abiding by it, it was not a credibility-building moment for our nation.

Turkey has issued Sweden and Finland, an ultimatum, this is what you need to do if you want to join NATO. all of this despite the rest of NATO pretty much agreeing to allow them to join. and if all members agreed Canada could be voted off the island. Canada has nothing of any value to offer.

Come on here you giving Canada way too much credit, Canada really does not contribute much to NATO, its military is pretty much irrelevant in the big picture, and Europe has pretty much said so.

The US is the largest contributor, and Canada is on the same carpet along for the ride...like the little yappy dog and spike...

 

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Just now, Army Guy said:

It was an agreement to spend x % of GDP to ensure NATO relevance in today's world.

non binding purely political agreement by memorandum

no member state is bound to meet that target

NATO doesn't have the authority to issue ultimatums to member states in terms of spending

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it's all part of the culture of Canada to woefully under resource the Canadian military

Lord Byng & Sir Arthur Currie could in no way rely on the Government of Canada to save them

they would have to solve the problem right there themselves

the Canadian Corps was not made in Ottawa, it was made in Flanders on the Western Front

Canadians only fight other people's wars, never their own

Canadians spill blood in lieu of treasure

a nation forged fighting for Saxe, Coburg & Gotha, in Belgium

vimy-historical.png?sfvrsn=8df000f1_0

Only in today's world, the next conflict is going to become as you are, as there won't be time to produce weapons and equipment as we did in the past. And what equipment we do have is not plentiful, and most of our primary equipment is 40 years or older...Ukraine has better and more equipment than we do.

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9 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Come on here you giving Canada way too much credit,

yeah, sure, that's my style, I'm known for cutting Canada all sorts of slack

or perhaps I just know that Canada is snug & secure inside Fortress America

so doesn't have to spend much in the end, or even have a military at all really

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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

non binding purely political agreement by memorandum

no member state is bound to meet that target

NATO doesn't have the authority to issue ultimatums to member states in terms of spending

 

 

NATO has pretty much-tried everything in its power to get Canada and others to hit that mark. As had the US. the only reason it has not issued ultimatums is politics and saving Canada the embarrassment, which Canada is actually proud of its stance within NATO. Why would they want to have a nation that contributes almost nothing to remain a member. Canadians as cheap as they are would happily jump at the chance to leave any military defensive pact. We as a nation are but a shell of our former selves.  

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3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

yeah, sure, that's my style, I'm known for cutting Canada all sorts slack

or perhaps I just know that Canada is snug & secure inside Fortress America

so doesn't have to spend much in the end, or even have a military at all really

Canada's importance to any alliance is overstated,

Sure it can, and it will give up whatever sovereignty we have now. 

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1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

NATO has pretty much-tried everything in its power to get Canada and others to hit that mark. As had the US. the only reason it has not issued ultimatums is politics and saving Canada the embarrassment, which Canada is actually proud of its stance within NATO. Why would they want to have a nation that contributes almost nothing to remain a member. Canadians as cheap as they are would happily jump at the chance to leave any military defensive pact. We as a nation are but a shell of our former selves.  

Canadians have always been this way

because it was the role of the British Empire to defend Canada

and the British were also responsible for arming the Canadian Expeditionary Forces sent to defend the Empire

Canadian culture evolved with a sense that it was an Imperial rather than Canadian responsibility to run the military

culture is destiny

stop banging your head against a wall, it's never gonna change

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1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

Canada's importance to any alliance is overstated,

Sure it can, and it will give up whatever sovereignty we have now. 

NATO leverage would be vastly overstated

if one asserts that the Organization has authority to issue any ultimatums whatsoever to members

NATO is just a bunch of bureaucrats in Brussels, they have no actual power at all

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Canada is actually just following America's lead

America is not sending much support for NATO

America has sent some "tripwire" forces, but hasn't actually made any big moves to Europe

Canada has committed a force commensurate to what the Americans are sending

it's only Washington which can dictate terms to Canada

and at this juncture, Washington is not actually demanding more Canadian boots on the ground

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Canada has actually complied with Washington's two major outstanding national security demands

Canada has denied China access to supply Canada with 5G networks ( Huawei War )

Canada has flip flopped and now selected the F-35 to replace the CF-18's ( market share )

so realpolitik, Canada has done enough to satisfy the Americans for now

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Canada to upgrade its troops in Latvia from 700 to a full brigade, more details to be announced. Not sure how this is going to work, did Justin promise more than he has, and is he overextending our military forces. I guess we will see. 

More Canadian troops headed to Latvia, Trudeau says at NATO summit (msn.com)

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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Canada to upgrade its troops in Latvia from 700 to a full brigade, more details to be announced. Not sure how this is going to work, did Justin promise more than he has, and is he overextending our military forces. I guess we will see. 

More Canadian troops headed to Latvia, Trudeau says at NATO summit (msn.com)

there's no way they can deploy a Canadian Brigade

I think what they mean is that NATO will deploy a multinational Brigade

and Canada will add a handful more troops to that

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what you have right now in Latvia is just composite NATO battle groups, of which Canada provides one of those

so what NATO means is that they will add Brigade level combat & service support with headquarters

the various NATO battle groups will be brought together into a Brigade level formation

but Canada is only going to be providing a third of that Brigade, it's not going to be a Canadian CMBG

they simply don't have the logistics anymore to sustain a Brigade Group overseas

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